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Wow, Ace is being uncharacteristically lazy.
The day ends at April 04 23:27 KST.
This is a roleclaim situation -> blue/green colour means confirmed.
d3_crescentia ??? ???
JeeJee ??? ???
~OpZ~ Canada Mason
Caller Egypt Alignment Cop
haster27 Portugal Townie
Elemenope Vietnam Townie
iNfuNdiBuLuM China Townie (only allowed to counter-nuke)
Fishball France Tracker
laaan Antarctica Veteran
Nikon ??? Veteran
Abenson United Kingdom Mason
nemY ??? Townie
Unclaimed country
Japan
Sweden
Colombia
Unclaimed Roles
Roleblocker
Nuke-stealer (Colombia)
Bus driver
Serial Killer
Major Suspects
Caller - epic inactivity
laaan/Nikon - conflicting testimonies about Veteran ability.
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Wait, you are nuking JeeJee? Why?
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Thank you. However, people, do not reveal how much nuke you have. Seriously, there are now two fresh people the nuke-stealer can target.
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I cannot understand why me not giving special notice about JeeJee can be seen as anti-town move as the list I posted was strictly intended to show information available. At least, I am sure my post won't suddenly cause more people to doubt JeeJee's alignment.
Also, can you clarify your suspicion on me due to Japan anti-nuke? I don't really understand your wording over there. I'll try to explain myself if you give me the exact page I start to act suspiciously.
As for the all Nikon nuke debate, I think the payoff is definitely it. We gain ridiculously lot of information from it- the nuke can determine if Nikon was honest in his claim, and if it was, we can immediately get on to lynching laaan. Either way there will be one guaranteed Mafia to kill. Especially considering the fact that we now can use only about three nukes, I think this is fairly efficient way to use one.
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Wait a minute. Sorry, was confused between laaan and Nikon. Scratch my last paragraph.
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Okay. The nuke can determine his alignment, and I still think Town benefits whatever happens.
If Nikon is not Veteran: we get needed Mafia kill.
If Nikon is Veteran: we can also be sure that laaan is Town because Mafia will not know the ability of Veteran.
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~OpZ~// I have a question to ask: are you suggesting JeeJee does not need to roleclaim since he is guaranteed Townie? This actually sounds like good idea, since purpose of the mass roleclaim is to weed out Mafia (which JeeJee is not likely to be) and revealing his role would needlessly expose more information for them.
Also little cookie I want to throw down. To my understanding doesn't concept of insane & paranoid cops only apply to the roles that has "ambiguous" front of it? Because if it works like that, possibilities simplifies to either Caller being a Mafia or Nikon & d3_crescentia being a Mafia.
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Well, it is true that game is less exciting, but don't we already have plan of action all figured out? If Nikon indeed is immune against nemY's nuke, we lynch Caller as planned. If Nikon turn out to be Mafia, we could choose to lynch Caller or d3_crescentia, depending on how much Town believes in validity of Caller's night action.
Also I want to state that entire role-claiming process has been completed.
d3_crescentia Sweden Townie
JeeJee Pro-town; does not need to claim
~OpZ~ Canada Mason
Caller Egypt Alignment Cop
haster27 Portugal Townie
Elemenope Vietnam Townie
iNfuNdiBuLuM China Paranoid Gun Owner
Fishball France Tracker
laaan Antarctica Veteran; confirmed if Nikon survives nemY's nuke.
Nikon Veteran; validity about to be checked by nemY's nuke.
Abenson United Kingdom Mason
nemY Italy Townie
Note that we are missing Japan and Colombia, and Role Blocker/Bus Driver/Serial Killer/Nuke-stealer.
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Well, laaan did place himself and Town in pretty good position by claiming his role (and its ability), so I don't think rarity or the strangeness of player's country doesn't matter that much.
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I'm not sure. I was wondering why Caller did not just say he checked meeple, but went through the trouble of including bus driver and Nikon at his roleclaim post. This could be pro-town move wishing to communicate what exactly had happened, but seriously at the time I felt there were better targets to check. At that time Caller was in quite a heat for his lurking behaviour, so he could have tried to place other Mafia in more positive light by posting accusatory evidence against him before he died.
Of course it could be me just being paranoid, so if we have any better suspect lined up I'll try to give Caller more opportunity to verify himself.
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On April 06 2010 04:58 JeeJee wrote:
actually, haster's post just reminded me of something -- people were suggesting earlier that caller should have checked a confirmed townie such as abenson/opz instead of d3 for second night. i can't help but feel that this is extremely stupid. we know caller is either paranoid or insane (as his result on meeple gave scum iirc), so in either case, checking a confirmed townie will result in scum. the only way we can distinguish which one he is, is if he gets an innocent result (insane), or one of the people he checked flips mafia (paranoid).
That is true. Could be attempt to discredit Caller, but I think most of it can be attributed to confusion about bus driver. In fact, I do not even completely understand what happened at Caller's first night check. So whose alignment did Caller get, meeple or Nikon?
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I can't really see why Nikon would not claim yet at all. Everyone (well, except JeeJee but that's still only one) declared their country- he can just now pick any random country that is not being represented by any of the players and pretend it is his own rofl.
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The nuke post isn't up yet? I want to say I am crossing my fingers, but I am not sure if I want one Mafia kill or having 4 confirmed Townies out of 12 players rofl.
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Sometimes I wish TBot was running this thread =_=
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...Okay, time for calmness.
It is highly likely Nikon has reflect the nuke-back ability, and he is clearly Mafia for hiding this ability. Since we cannot remove him by nuke, this makes him a high possibility Mafia target. Also, does this move prove nemY as Town also since he is currently being targetted by highly likely Mafia nuke? At least, it is obvious we need to intercept it to keep Townie numbers high.
There are also another possibility; Mafia has someone with ability that can affect 'any' nukes in the air, and is using it to frame Nikon, but considering the situation I feel this is extremely unlikely.
Finally, what do we do with Caller - who is under fire due to Japan not roleclaiming - since nemY nuke turned out to be ineffective? Do we nuke him or keep him alive for the next day lynch?
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Clarification: Mafia target -> lynch candidate that is Mafia
##Vote Nikon
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On April 06 2010 11:47 Iaaan wrote:
I guess nemy isn't mafia tho? otherwise why would nikon counter nuke his teammate? perhaps we should save him in light of this, because of the small number of townies?
Do we have positive proof that nemY is Mafia?
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That is possible, since nemY also was one to come out of nowhere and volunteer nuke him according to what Town was saying. However, with so little Townie numbers left, I am reluctant about risking decreasing townie number further.
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Is it me or those all Mafia seem to have some kind of special ability? There has been four already: Role Blocker, Bus Driver, Nuke-stealer, and Nuke-hacker. From this the fact there are at minimum 4 Mafia in the Town are confirmed. I can only hope that Ace did not underestimate how much stupid Town nukes there were going to be and put five Mafia in.
Finally I want to state that this development makes laaan in a slightly less flattering light. It feels too convenient that out of all Mafia nuke-hacker was the one that laaan's roleclaim contradicted. It could have been Mafia ploy to decrease Town's nuke/anti-nuke stockpile.
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