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I think OpZ is being honest in his statement because his quoted post definitely prove there were private correspondence between him and Abenson. This means they are either Mafia or one or two of them has a role that can PM, but honestly it would be dumb move for Mafia to claim blue role just to save single Mafia (unless Abenson has Mafia special role). This is bad because besides L, Abenson is currently the only one the town will seemingly be able to attain majority vote for. And I am emphasizing that voting out L without any in-game evidence is stupid move. I am going to skip day 1 lynch unless new suspect comes up, and I hope everyone else does the same rather than voting out L simply because he is the only notable candidate for lynch (we gain no information either way). Either way, I am not impressed with how Abenson is playing, although it could be that he was instructed to lurk while OpZ went to the front-lines. He vote for L out of nowhere during the lurking, and does not expect the Town to suspect him? Also I am wondering the reasoning behind his suspect list. I mean, I understand I could be seen as suspicious for initiating a bandwagon, but why Xelin? What distinguishes him from the rest of the players that chose to vote for him? ##Vote: Abstain | ||
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On March 25 2010 07:14 johnnyspazz wrote: i think the people abstaining are really dumb, you're preventing the town from getting information and we need all the information we can get since there are no clues. if it's true that opz and abenson both know each other's roles and shit, then abenson needs to confirm that in the thread so the suspicion is no longer on them. we can have them both RC each other in the thread so that if one of them dies, atleast we know that the other one is also telling the truth since the majority of the votes are on them. Usually that would be the case, but KP of Mafia in this game is 1. This means we have some breathing room as long as no one becomes crazy and start launching nukes. It seems somewhat obvious that OpZ and Abenson, although having failed massively, are likely innocent. Why decrease number in our side and decrease our probability of winning? | ||
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On March 25 2010 07:24 Zona wrote: Whether or not we have "breathing room", no lynches are horrible, they allow mafia to control who dies, and what information is revealed. If we no lynch we have ZERO chance of hitting mafia, but if we lynch, at least there is a probability that we reduce their numbers by one. As well, after a successful lynch, the town can later review how players voted when new information surfaces to learn more about each player who participated in the vote. As for Mafia KP being one, I think it's highly likely there's a third party who also probably has a KP of 1 as well. If there's no other regular kill, this game has the potential to drag on forever with so many players. All right. I checked your plan and I'll follow it, but I am highly skeptical about chance of getting 10 more players in time. Also, I think Ace might have expected some stupid nuke kills from the players to balance things out, but I suppose we'll know about overall KP when the night ends anyway. ##Vote: RebirthOfLegend The new plan is to vote out RebirthOfLegend. Everyone contribute after reading this post. | ||
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On March 25 2010 07:28 XeliN wrote: I'm going to ##vote Elemenope . He has contributed alot and from what I have read I don't see how it is possible that he would argue for lynching one of OpZ and Abenson, now we know they are confirmed, from a pro-town perspective. Other than that I would switch to voting for the least active poster if it means getting a majority. I respect your opinion, but seeing as how this is majority vote, we need to either vote for Abenson or RebirthOfLegend. Can you change your vote to ROL? | ||
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On March 25 2010 07:39 Bill Murray wrote: here for a short while, willing to change if necessary, as it has been proven a random lynch is more pro town than a no lynch. If you and Xelin joins in, at least half of the job is done. Hopefully six more will join in as well- still half a day left. As Abenson has been RC'd as mason, I no longer think this choice will gain enough traction with town members unless our group swings back. | ||
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On March 25 2010 07:56 Iaaan wrote: ##Vote: RebirthOfLegend Voting for L is dumb because we wont learn anything other than his role, since he hasn't been able to post. I propose that, in order to extend the day, someone without nukes could launch a fake nuke. Thoughts? I was going to write a bit more, but I figured I should bring up the idea for discussion first. Good thing I checked this thread again. Lets REALLY put this away as the rest final resort. If we start allowing fake nukes now due to such "contingencies", the anti-nuke proliferation rule the Town currently has is going to break apart sooner or later. We managed to gather seven votes, so hopefully there is hope. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On March 25 2010 06:26 Zona wrote: Alright, here's the deal. I'm not close to being impressed by what Abenson is contributing. But if he and you, OpZ, are claiming masons, I'm willing to try to lynch someone else for now. As of last post: Zona: 32 ~OpZ~: 19 XeliN: 16 Versatile: 16 Amber[LighT]: 14 haster27: 14 Elemenope: 13 JeeJee: 12 Fishball: 9 iNfuNdiBuLuM: 9 meeple: 9 Caller: 9 johnnyspazz: 7 Iaaan: 7 d3_crescentia: 7 nemY: 6 Nikon: 4 Abenson: 4 tree.hugger: 4 RebirthOfLeGenD: 3 Phrujbaz: 2 L: 2 As of now, Rebirth of Legend has the lowest amount of posts (ignoring L), and not one of his three posts is useful. Even L's 2 posts has contributed to the shaping of the town's no-nuke-initiation plan. The other end is the odd argument that he was an extra player added, that probably is town or third party, but that was shot down as we shouldn't make any assumptions on how Ace is laying things out. So I will switch my vote to him. ##Vote: RebirthOfLegend On March 25 2010 07:40 Zona wrote: Anyone voting for RebirthOfLegend with us needs to be ready to switch back to another candidate if this choice doesn't gain traction, so we can obtain a majority vote to avoid a no lynch for day 1! If it's possible, try to spare some time to check back later today, before 12AM EST! We currently have eight votes against ROL!! | ||
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I realized from your comment that Caller also was being somewhat inactive, but he had at the beginning of the game tossed ideas that helped the town formulate the anti-nuke policy. At least reveal your intent to launch a nuke so people have chance to talk about your decision instead of just creating maelstrom. On March 25 2010 09:17 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: No problem, sure glad I almost had a majority vote on me before I decided to read the rules. I don't have much to say about this except that it has been, what, more than 30 hours since the game begin. On March 25 2010 09:07 Versatile wrote: hey, just a question here. why does everyone think mafia has only 1KP? the OP states "Mafia have night kills just like in normal games. Mafia can kill 1 player per night no matter how many of them are alive". however, that doesn't mean that they cannot have a higher KP. did ace address that somewhere else where i may have missed it? or is this just a town assumption based on the wording? If this is true, and Ace's word meant that Mafia AT LEAST have 1 KP no matter how little of them are, this is bad. This is exactly kind of thing Ace would like to do too -_-;; It would mean that Mafia can kill us off more quickly than I had anticipated, and that there are probably less Mafia than we were predicting. All of this being another reason we should hold off using nukes. Okay, I want to discuss whether we should use anti-missile defense to save Caller or not. RebirthOfLegend has a point in that Caller is being too quiet, but should we really risk losing potential Townie/be more closer to ToD just for the sake of more information? Personally I want to intercept it just to set an example against non-concensus nukers but eventually its all up to those who have anti-nukes. Please do not make careless decision. | ||
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I am leaving for today. Hope somehow everything ends up well tomorrow. | ||
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On March 25 2010 23:37 L wrote: 1) If abenson confirms that he/opz are masons, killing one of them lets every person in the game roleclaim to opz via confirmation. This is big shit. How can we role-claim to him without getting it also known by anyone else when PM is prohibited? | ||
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My position is that unless there are clear suspect, we should maintain our vote on RoL. This is solely because of his nuke launch; had we not discussed that showing unwillingness to punish the player from non-consensus lynching will quickly collapse this Town into state of Wild Wild West? If we let him go off free, what prevents any random Townie or random Mafia from suddenly nuking someone with somewhat convincing reasoning? | ||
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On March 26 2010 05:46 L wrote: Oh yeah, ##Vote tree.hugger Kid clearly wanted to wagon me. I'd much prefer that we nuke the shit out of RoL and use anti-nukes on any retaliatory strikes. If he's town he shouldn't throw extra nukes out. If he's mafia, good. 2 seems like a good number of missiles. The list of people who wanted to off me during a 36 hour ban is either full of retards, mafia, or people who are still consumed with the ghost of the rage donut. I suggest the best course of action for the town is to simply lynch everyone on that list. I am seriously beginning to doubt my decision to argue in your favour. First, there are lot of things wrong about launching nuke against him, with cliches such as ToD waste of nuke etc etc, but the most damning of all is that the very fact you are advocating nuke as his mean of death instead of the lynch. First, RoL is the player who decided to launch a nuke because he was pushed into majority lynch position. His comments and spats against other Townie prove that he is type of player who base at least part of his decisions on emotions. Do you seriously expect he will not retaliate when someone launches an nuke against him, especially if its by 'unconfirmed' Townie? You propose we should use anti-nuke at his retaliatory missile, but isn't the conservation of Town's defensive ability part of the reason why we are acting reluctant to save Caller (although agreeably his lurkish behaviour also contributed to this a lot)? Why risk decreasing Town's nuke defense capability by 1 when we can simply lynch him out? If you were serious about eliminating all the people that bandwagoned against you with intent of being an pro-town, you would have proposed lynching RoL and nuking tree.hugger. This plan is far more efficient than your quoted idea because: 1) It both leads to your suspect's death. 2) More realistic; has no worry about day 1 ending with no lynch during the confusion the Town switches their votes from RoD to tree.hugger. 3) There are less risk of retaliatory nuke- the Town does not need to waste anti-nuke needlessly. 4) More information; whether tree.hugger possesses nuke or anti-nukes. I mean, I know you are half-joking, but this is such an horrendous proposal that I just had to write this out. Of course the most pro-town move would be to HOLD OFF THE NUKES, wait for the alignment of RoL (and possibly Caller) and NK, then make day 2 lynch as an rational human beings. | ||
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