World at War Mafia - Page 2

Fishball

Canada4788 Posts

March 26 2010 04:37 GMT

#861

On March 26 2010 11:46 L wrote:

You uh, don't read my writing if you think I often push with the assumption that I must be correct. I push with the assumption that even if I'm wrong that the right move has been made. In XX for instance, I didn't give a shit who died besides Me, Cobbler, nemY or MM because I knew if we survived the night that we would win. Killing BM was part of an overarching plan to rape the abenson list which wasn't wrong: 3 of 4 mafia were on there and I had a bomb sitting on their godfather. Not only that, but at the start of the game I called that 2-3 of me/malongo/incog/bc/foolishness would be mafia. I was right.

So yeah, mafia is a guessing game; No one's going to guess 100% correct, especially with a buncha jerks in the background trying to make you guess wrong. The important part, however, is getting it right enough of the time.

I'm not tearing townies down. I'm saying that people who voted for me have no real excuses. Maybe Opz does because he knew abenson was legit, maybe fishball and versatile are playing like emotional douchebags (which is expected of them), but for you? For the rest of the people on that list? Your defence is "i wanted to punish inactivity" but that simply doesn't hold. You also have no reason to rage against me unlike those mentioned above. So why the claws and fangs; I certainly didn't take them out against you. I just suggested you as a candidate based on the evidence in front of us.

I have an unrebutted and substantial piece of evidence that makes you pro-mafia in my mind. Why would I back down from that until you can rebut it? Why would backing down be pro-town? No one else has suggested another candidate of equal magnitude besides Caller and I'm pretty sure I was all for having his face turn into a nuclear foam.

So to sum up; You're around 4 inches short of average. Feel free to grow a bit before claiming you hit puberty... kid.

Haha, there are many reasons to vote for you, Mr. self righteous.
You should be the one growing up, kid. Not tree.hugger.
Should I even quote that hypocritical PM you sent me?
Feel free to dick around TL and get temp banned again. Would do us all a favor.

Fishball

Canada4788 Posts

March 26 2010 04:43 GMT

#864

It was before the game.
He knows what I'm talking about.

Fishball

Canada4788 Posts

March 26 2010 04:51 GMT

#867

Basically in the PM to me, you said that you're not trying to be a jerk, but here you are being one to tree.hugger, and dragging me and Versatile into your argument.

On March 26 2010 11:46 L wrote:
maybe fishball and versatile are playing like emotional douchebags (which is expected of them)

On March 26 2010 11:46 L wrote:
So to sum up; You're around 4 inches short of average. Feel free to grow a bit before claiming you hit puberty... kid.

See, normally I would just ignore you, but since you are a hypocrite to such a degree AND brought my name up in such manner... Ah, to be honest what else is expected from L?

Fishball

Canada4788 Posts

March 26 2010 05:02 GMT

#871

To be honest, this is the internet, he can do or be whatever person he wants for all I care.

All I'm saying is he has no credibility, which is game related.
His ruthless and forceful arguments along with personal attack isn't convincing anyone.

A simple and recent example. Could the action of tree.hugger launching a nuke be prevented? Absolutely.

Fishball

Canada4788 Posts

March 26 2010 05:07 GMT

#872

On March 26 2010 13:59 L wrote:

Show nested quote +

Sorry, but I brought both of you up to explain why it would be predictable to see hits from you even if you weren't anti-town. Ie, I was protecting to you.

That doesn't change the fact that attempting to kill someone off zero evidence and purely because of your feelings from prior games is a douchebag move.

But yeah, keep scapegoating. Totally pro-town move. You say there are many reasons for getting rid of me but the only one I've seen besides inactivity (which was a poor and debunked argument) is that I'm too persuasive. My bad. I'll intentionally make weaker arguments in the future.

See, you like to put words in other people's mouth and have selective reading. I lost count how many times, in the past 2 years, people have said something similar.

I never brought up previous games. YOU did.

Zero evidence? This is subjective. tree.hugger's action is evidence to you, but your behavior is evidence to me. You don't agree? I don't care, but same thing could apply to your argument.

You act like this is the first time I've seen you play.
The other post I just posted is just another reason.

Fishball

Canada4788 Posts

March 26 2010 05:32 GMT

#877

On March 26 2010 14:15 L wrote:

Show nested quote +

Uh, you voted for me before I mentioned your name a single time with quite the happy face if I recall. How exactly was I supposed to take that? I brought up the prior game to even JUSTIFY that vote for you.

And no, it was zero evidence; your reaction was emotional, not rational

See what I mean? You just did it again.
You've already made a conclusion that my actions were purely emotional. (although you didn't type "period" this time) This is what I call "zero" evidence.

Did you not read anything I posted above? (I think I've said this sentence like 10 times since last game)
I voted for you based on all the knowledge and information I have about you from all these games. To me, you're a harm to town.

If you're mafia, you have the ability to persuade lesser players to do you bidding (eg. lynching redtooth). Your insults (flamewars) and self righteousness (L is always right) provokes unwanted actions (tree.hugger's nuke), and your selective reading and inability to comprehend "undesirable" information is just frustrating to whoever is debating with you.

Not explaining =/= No reason. It means I'm just lazy.
So, if you want to argue that I have zero rationality to vote for you at all, so be it.

Fishball

Canada4788 Posts

March 27 2010 07:27 GMT

#1055

On March 27 2010 15:46 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
##build bomb shelters and hoard food

I'm building spaceships to fly to the moon.
Want to come? Tickets at the door, only 1,000,000,000 Euro.

Fishball

Canada4788 Posts

March 28 2010 06:52 GMT

#1171

On March 28 2010 15:00 Iaaan wrote:
People who voted against L originally for no reason other than that he was banned are Fishball and d3.

I never once mentioned I voted for L because he was banned or "inactive". Good to know you can't read.

On March 28 2010 15:00 Iaaan wrote:
These four people are who I think should be lynched.

Feel free to lynch whoever you want, but at this rate, we'll never get pass Day 1. I never liked the plan/idea of extending the Day by nuking, fake or not. You guys are only chasing ghosts.

Fishball

Canada4788 Posts

March 28 2010 21:06 GMT

#1281

Don't feel like quoting all the posts that includes my name in the past few pages.
All I have to say is, you guys are chasing ghosts. I've already mentioned this once.

Have fun nuking each other. How many nukes have been launched in the "first day" already?
There is nothing for me to say.

Fishball

Canada4788 Posts

March 28 2010 21:11 GMT

#1282

Ironically, JeeJee is like one of the few persons that share the same point of view with me on our current nuking situation.

Fishball

Canada4788 Posts

March 29 2010 18:46 GMT

#1408

Just quoting myself from page 8.

On March 23 2010 13:33 Fishball wrote:
I think this game would end like Caller's game, but except for Execute, its Nuke.

I'm not surprised that another nuke was launched again. I just laugh at my monitor every time I see one. Keep it up people, keep it up.

Fishball

Canada4788 Posts

March 30 2010 00:38 GMT

#1470

On March 30 2010 04:09 JeeJee wrote:
ok
well i'm raging but hey, what else is new right?

first, let's talk about the radiation levels, here's what we know
Radiation Levels
0-very low
2-low
4-moderate

it follows to assume (and is the most reasonable guess) that it continues as per:
6-high
8-very high
10-death

I am fairly confident this is the scale. Maybe off by one nuke, but it will give us a rough idea of how screwed we are. So keep this in mind

Now, let's talk about players. This is going to be long and monstrous so I am going to spoiler it. My final suspects list will be at the bottom. of course, like nikon, i am not confident i will live through the night. however, unlike nikon, i am not going to launch nukes willy-nilly. instead, my approach is to post out all of my thoughts and if i get killed, you get a clean post to read that you know was written by a confirmed townie.
+ Show Spoiler [dont worry i was a doctor] +

Here is who is still alive:

Alive players
d3_crescentia
JeeJee
Xelin
~Opz~
Amber[LighT]
Caller
haster27
Elemenope
iNfuNdiBuLuM
Zona
Fishball
Iaaan
meeple
Versatile
Nikon
Abenson
nemy

Now, i won't be on any of my analysis because i know i am townie, but obviously you can take this with a grain of salt. i don't aim to convince myself, i aim to convince you through my posts.

So we have 16 players (plus me). I think a reasonable number of mafia, as several people have pointed out is 4-5.

Let's talk about each of these people in order, and I will give my final list. for all of them, i'll give a quick summary of posts, then my opinion, then a 1-5star rating.
d3_crescentia
-works with zona to fine-tune the revenge-lynch (back then it was revenge-nuke) plan
-does not think L is a worthy lynch candidate
-support revenge-lynch
-votes for L (this flags a "wtf?" in my head, as earlier he did not think L was lynch-worthy) but votes after a wagon has started.. interesting
-switches to RoL as per town plan
-contributes a few thoughts later on but is mostly inactive

This boggles me. on the other hand he starts off very pro-town, but then does something extremely weird if he were townie. he does not get into too many arguments but does contribute thoughts and follows through with town plans. I'm really on edge with this guy and will put him as:

**[yellow]*[/yellow]
3/5 - definitely not comfortable calling him pro-town. Please be more active d3, we need your opinions

xelin
-starts off supporting L and revenge-lynch plan
-questions and fine tune's other's plans
-argues with fishball a bit
-against inactives
-bounces around votes a bit, settling on rol as per the rest of town
-wants nuke on caller to land
-suspects caller/bill/elemenope
-claims north korea, claims shot lmnop, noone has counterclaimed
-claims treehugger and verse are on same team
-argues a little with haster

my take? he starts off really pro-town, but then goes ahead and ruins it with an anonymous nuke on a probable pro-town player. as there's still no counter-claim i guess we might as well believe his claim to be legit..question is, what do we make of it?
i am actually leaning towards him being a third party. however, given that he (claims) has just one nuke, i can't fathom what his win condition is. of course an anonymous nuke would be a good way to start a nuclear shitstorm in an otherwise ordered game, so it could be win-by-tod. but of course this is a guess just like any other. i'm not comfortable calling him pro-town at all, and in fact leaning towards him being anti-town
**[yellow]*[/yellow]*
4/5

opz
i don't really want to go through all his posts but really, he can be summed up as either the ballsiest mafia ever or a mason.
*
1/5

amber
-votes for L due to inactive, continues attacking him for a bit
-nuking as pro-town
-wants inactives to come out, encourages discussion
-discourage nukes early on
-points out flaws in others' plans
-bounces off of L (saying L will be useful in the future.. an interesting change) onto abenson
-argues with rol after rol's nuke
-against tree.hugger nuke, but does want him dead via lynch. although once he was nuked, he wanted it to fall
-supports MAD (an interesting change from no-nuking although given the shitstorm that transpired maybe expected)

He, like d3 actually, boggles me. He does have a few interesting flip-flops, but in context they are somewhat expected. but he also started off (with me in fact) on the no nuking policy and i applaud him for that. of course lately he switched to supporing M.A.D which i think is retarded, but oh well.
I'm not comfortable calling him pro-town.. quite on edge.
**[yellow]*[/yellow]
3/5

caller
-screws around and spams early game without adding content
-votes for opz as a joke, then seemingly votes for bill as a joke
-claims has no anti-nukes (after rol shot him)
-..that's it

extremely inactive. mentioned something about sucking on day1 analysis, but daymn, this has been one hell of a day one. surely you'd have something to contribute by now
**[yellow]*[/yellow]

3/5 - i am not calling him pro-town mostly because he is not active AT ALL. by far one of the least active players in the game (alongside abenson i suppose although there may be PMs going on there), and while he hasn't done anything wrong.. that's only because he hasn't done anything! Start talking already.

haster
-argues plans and works with L/zona. supports revenge-nuking instead of revenge-lynching though
-thinks mafia will not lurk due to modkill policy
-agrees with revenge-lynch though
-does not want people to vote for L
-votes rol
-an interesting post "o god i wish PM were allowed in this game"
-freaks out over idiots
-wants L's nuke stopped, johnny's not
-suspect list:
Versatile
tree.hugger
Xelin
-continues to argue, raise discussion, get people involved

i really like this guy. i think he's definitely playing pro-town, and am comfortable calling him town aligned. not as much as say opz or abenson but he's definitely a good player to have imo
*
1/5

elemenope
ok i'll be honest, i don't want to bother reading his walls of texts, which he has been exclusively posting. this post is already taking way too long. personally, i took him off my suspects list when he got nuked by north korea because i don't feel like NK is town-aligned. however, his posts (the ones that i have skimmed) have been reasonably helpful, at least at first glance. he is also fairly active, which is always an asset to the town. i would say just BREAK UP YOUR DAMN POSTS MAN (and yes i know, pot calling kettle black, but i never post walls of text, this is like my first one)
**
2/5

infundi
-for revenge-lynch, against lynching L
-votes rol, suspects d3, tree, xelin
-folows a no-nuke policy
-supports lmnop, and actually thought tree might flip green given the chaos that transpired

overall pretty good record i feel, just not that active. still, i feel he may be a bored townie rather than a lurking mafia
**
2/5

zona
i don't want to go into detail on this guy, but suffice to say he has been driving discussion (barring his one afk spell for a day or 2), suggesting plans, and having generally well-reasoned arguments. he's one of the most pro-town players in this game, and noticeable too.
*
1/5

fishball
-votes L without much reasoning, but changes to rol as per town plan
-heavily argues with L
-suggests that we are chasing ghosts
-aligned with me on the nuking situation

i would be a lot less suspicious of him if he were a) more active b) not on the L list. i feel quite strongly that there has to be mafia on that list, especially since L flipped town, it would've been in their interests to knock him out. on the other hand, he hasn't done anything wrong per se.. but like caller, it's mostly because he hasn't done anything! i would give him a 3/5 like caller, but alas he is on the L list, which knocks him up a notch

**[yellow]*[/yellow]*
4/5

iaaan
-against lynching L
-for rol's nuke hitting
-wants johnny and L to die, and lynch tree.hugger
-has a big logic flaw where if L is green, tree.hugger has to die
-supports shooting down anonymous nuke
-suspects both BM and L
-"i want all nukes in the air to fall because none of the players are confirmed townies" another logic flaw
-also wants verse to die

this set off some flags when i was skimming through his posts. it seems like this guy wants a lot of people dead, and quick. a townie wouldn't be so triggerhappy in my opinion, as deaths + votelists are more useful than just deaths. hell, at the end of this day, we still have just one vote list, although we DO still have a crapload of information. either way, this one is a major suspect for me

*[yellow]*[/yellow]**
5/5

meeple
-not particularly against L dying, but prefers others
-points out nemy and in general the concept of mafia riding bandwagons
-tries to stay neutral in the various ad hominem arguments
-suspects iaaan
-agrees with lynching verse
-glad anonymous nuke was shot down
-his suspect list:
Iaaan
Caller
d3-cres
Amber

overall, he stays interestingly in the background and is not so active. however, he's active enough to stay alive. overall his suspect list is pretty decent, and as i'm going through this, i will probably come up with something similar. undecided on this fella,

**[yellow]*[/yellow]
3/5

verse
i've outlined many reasons for why i believe verse is mafia. she has started chaos, launched two nukes at now confirmed townies. however, she managed to stay alive through a nuke, which i don't know what to make of (this i have also outlined)

still, i am leaning towards non-town aligned, although not as heavily, as say iaaan
*[yellow]*[/yellow]*
4/5

nikon
this kid's retarded, i do hope zona gets saved. i might be blinded by my trust of zona, but seriously dude, what the hell were you thinking. either way, i have outlined this guy earlier, so i'll just paste that here:

Nikon
-against early nukes
-for lynch-the-nuker plan.
-randomly suggests a 3rd mason in opz/abenson circle
-a little ad hominem vs bill murray
-wants xelin dead

well, aside from that there's not too much substance in his posts. and of course there aren't that many posts to begin with (24 i believe after the /confirm post). however the points he has made (or rather, agreed with) have been pro-town. I'm leaning towards the fact that nikon is town-aligned, but i feel there's something odd. most importantly i notice that he hasn't actually contributed much more beyond agreeing with pro-town plans. i still feel it's not a big deal, it's just that his random "zona is red" and hinting at his desire to nuke zona made me raise an eyebrow. what do you guys (and nikon in particular) think?
my take is he's town-aligned, but as long as we still have day, might as well keep discussing, n'est pas?

i just don't understand why he would nuka zona. do. not. get. it. if before i would rate him 2-3/5, that nuke definitely brings him up a point to 3-4/5

*[yellow]*[/yellow]*
4/5

abenson
same deal as opz
*
1/5

nemy
-against lynching L
-votes bill, then to rol as per town plan
-..that's it?

not very active, falls into the caller/infundi territory. be more active, dammit

**[yellow]*[/yellow]
3/5

My final lists:
tier1 suspects:
iaaan
verse

tier2 suspects:
nikon
xelin
d3
fishball

inactives/possible lurking mafia:
caller
infundi
nemy

likely townies:
zona
haster27
abenson
opz
elemenope

undecided:
amber
meeple

Course of action?
what can i say..i need opinions of others, and i am most definitely looking for defenses of the people i have pointed fingers at. reactions, own analysis. CREATE HISTORY. WE NEED IT.

I like your posts in this thread. They're all pretty well written. I'll take exception and give you a better response. Just a note that I'm not going to argue about any accusations, because its pointless to me, but rather explain why I haven't done "anything" and how I see the game thus far.

In every game I play, this is pretty much what I do. I gather information and observe, and only post when I feel I should. For the majority of the game, I post daily comments on the game's situation, and that is pretty much it. Just to prove I'm here and alive, and have read the thread and not exactly "lurking" or "inactive". I usually make my plays during the second half of the game if need be.

This game is a little bit different. I was against the retaliation strikes from the get-go. I was against EXTENDING the fucking day from the beginning. We've already talked enough about L, but just want to remind you that L was in favor of these two actions.

On page 8, I posted saying that this game is going to end up people nuking the shit out of each other. It actually ended up faster than I thought, as it is still flipping Day 1. A few players have already mentioned, this is still a Mafia game, and we would have blue roles for night actions as well. So far, people are just blindly pointing fingers at each other, people contradicting themselves with this so called "consensus no nuke clause". Result? 5 Town aligned players dead and a moderate radiation level.

So tell me, what exactly do you want me to do at this point? Start posting a list of suspects myself? Or join in the party to blow up earth? (My spaceship tickets are still for sale btw. Only 1 Billion Euro). People should treat this game as a normal Mafia game and value their nukes like a vigilante hit, not go Rambo and try to hit a Mafia randomly to become a hero. Most of the time you would end up looking like an idiot.

Regardless, if I would have to single out 1 player right now, it would have to be Nikon, for obvious reasons.

Fishball

Canada4788 Posts

March 30 2010 00:42 GMT

#1471

Side note, which has already been brought up a couple times already; If this game has no Mafia, it would be too funny.

Fishball

Canada4788 Posts

March 31 2010 01:30 GMT

#1504

On March 31 2010 10:05 Zona wrote:
That's awful logic. Because I want the games I host to be fair, so I must be mafia?

I wouldn't go as far as to say its awful. It's a long shot, but I understand where he is coming from.

Fishball

Canada4788 Posts

March 31 2010 01:52 GMT

#1506

I didn't see what he posted, but I know what it was about since I read the Ban List thread as well.
I had a feeling you were going to slap a big post, and I totally agree with the ways you listed.

However, my statement is really that simple. I'm just specifically saying that I can see where he is coming from. Not that if he is Mafia or not, not that if you are Mafia or not, not that I agree with him or not, but understand why and how he came up with that statement.

Fishball

Canada4788 Posts

March 31 2010 05:22 GMT

#1520

On March 31 2010 14:16 XeliN wrote:
Also presumably a Vigilante type role used their ability to kill Meeple during the night

And why would you presume that?

Fishball

Canada4788 Posts

March 31 2010 05:24 GMT

#1524

I've got more to post tomorrow. Running a bit too late as I still have work in the AM.

Aside from your "suspicious" nuke Xelin, please answer my question above.

Fishball

Canada4788 Posts

March 31 2010 18:11 GMT

#1559

On April 01 2010 02:09 XeliN wrote:
Also Elemenope had a lot to say at a quite early stage and yet now the only post I have seen him make is a comparatively short "are you kidding Vote Xelin" one. A mafia who has succesfully created the illusion of being both active and pro-town who now feels comfortable lurking in the shadows to respond sparingly?

To be fair, voting for you right now does not need much explanation at all.

Fishball

Canada4788 Posts

April 01 2010 01:35 GMT

#1606

Ok. I'm off work, done dinner, and caught up with the thread.

First off, I want to point out my two top suspects besides Xelin. I would talk about Xelin later on.

Nikon, for trying to extend the day for the N'th time with his last minute nuke, against town consensus (duh), at an arguably lesser target based on general consensus, Zona.

Caller, lurking and laying low. Of course this alone wouldn't be enough for him to make the top of my list.

Listen up, I am France, a Tracker. One of my abilities is to track who visited who at Night. I used this ability on Caller during Night.

Results: Caller visited Meeple last night. Meeple ended up dead.

Pretty much self explanatory right here.

So Meeple and Amber was killed last night. We don't know if Mafia have more than one KP or not. If they do, the kills would easily make sense and Caller could very well be Mafia.

Let's assume Mafia only has 1 KP, and the other kill was from a Vigilante or the sort. Now Xelin pops out and says:

On March 31 2010 14:16 XeliN wrote:
Also presumably a Vigilante type role used their ability to kill Meeple during the night

due to the reason:

On March 31 2010 14:24 XeliN wrote:
The mafia has 1 KP during each and every night, 2 people have died, one specified "has been killed during the night" the other "has been found dead"

As far as I can tell that means someone town side has used an ability incorrectly, or possibly the mafia have a similar ability, but it doesn't make much sense for them to have night kill abilities as well as KP

Now, to me, this is just simply wording, and doesn't specifically means anything. A Mafia can also kill a target and the target would be "found dead" in the morning, no? Also, as mentioned in the thread, Amber was already suspected by some players, why would the Mafia hit him if this was the case? If a vigilante were to choose between Meeple and Amber, most likely it would be Amber. My point is, regardless of how much KP the Mafia has, Meeple is likely hit by a Mafia, and Caller took an action against Meeple last night. Meeple ended up dead.

Now, my ability only tells me who visited who at night, but doesn't tell me what the player did to the other player. Regardless, I'm 100% sure that Caller has a Night ability. Is he a Medic? Don't think so, as the Mafia would literally have to use 2 KP on Meeple to kill him. Is he a DT? Among so many "suspicious" players out there, what are the chances Meeple being checked? Coincidentally having Meeple die on the same night? Also, I consider my role like a mini-DT. Would there actually be a full DT role in this game? These are all hypothetical questions, but when you answer them all, the most likely scenario is that Caller is red and he killed Meeple.

One thing I don't understand is Xelin. His actions is like asking to be lynched, like the Village Idiot role pointed out by others already. I don't know what Xelin and Nikon have against Zona, as the majority of the players is obviously not seeing what they see, but after the Nikon stunt, Xelin has the guts to do the same thing, again, almost immediately (6 minutes) after the Night post. It doesn't matter if you are Mafia or Town, this move is just retarded.

If we put aside Xelin's "kill-me-please" plea, what should we do with Nikon and Caller? Nikon's move during Day is far more suspicious to me, and has yet to answer to his actions. Should town launch its first consensual nuke?

Fishball

Canada4788 Posts

April 01 2010 03:55 GMT

#1638

On April 01 2010 11:18 Caller wrote:
Well, gentlemen and woman, my idea of coming clean has been most rudely interrupted.

I am Israel, an Alignment Cop. The reason that I have barely said anything all game thus far is because any country's leader that opened their mouth died in a nuclear fire along with their many innocent civilians, as all can very clearly see. I didn't think there was any need at all for me to endanger my people's republic before my intelligence agency managed to get even one check off, so I figured the best thing to do was to say nothing. If people suspected my people of being conniving Mafia, then all the better, as by hiding among outsiders have the Jewish people survived for this long.

Basically, I have the ability to see whether or not someone is Innocent or Mafia.

I checked Nikon last night, because there were numerous suspicions among the people for his odd posting strategizations. But for some reason my checks had resulted in the determination of the role of meeple instead, and he, to my horror, was Mafia. I'm guessing that this odd switching of roles must have something to do with that blasted bus driver role that flamewheel had emplaced in his game.

I was initially going to reveal the people's will earlier today. But having saw that meeple was an ambiguous cop, I decided that it would be more effective for me to retreat and allow the intelligence agency to collect more datath. Firstly, if the Mossad were sane, that would give me result that meeple was in fact an innocent. The fact that he came out as a red scum implies that I am either insaneth or paranoidal.

Consider: Ambiguous implies that he could hath been sane, insane, paranoid, or naive, etc. This means that I could also be one of those four. Since he came out scummy, and he was in fact innocent, that narrows it down to insane or paranoid, i.e. that my checks come out reversed, or all countries appear as mafia to my agents.

I apologizeth for any misoverestimation that may have occurred and hope that I have clarified the matter somewhat, gentlemen.

We always need to hear Caller's voice when he make speeches.

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