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you were so much fun to have in games! | ||
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But, I'm changing my vote to BC, simply because he looks like the candidate that is easiest to hold accountable. L is quite ambiguous. Not answering questions/confirming things and posting lots of walls of text. Also, I think that whichever of the three doesn't win will probably be the first person lynched if they aren't mafia. | ||
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Also if you don't win the election and your not red, your dead night 1 anyway. A veteran who has been hinting he is blue? why would the mafia pass that opportunity up? I don't see how not claiming at this point protects you. I hope you have a good plan that justifies you hinting instead of roleclaiming. Even if you roleclaim once you win, DT is still easier to confirm than any other town role. | ||
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It seems to me like the mafia will kill malongo/foolishness fairly quickly if they are town, because of their senority. I think it would be better to lynch someone out of the mafia's way, who is suspicious or likely will become suspicious. IE someone with useless/small amounts of posts that doesn't have a chance of being modkilled. | ||
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I think I kinda sounds unclear about my thoughts, in my head there are kind of two lists which ignore roles completely, people the mafia want to kill, and people they don't care about until they have won. Since at this point in the game, no suspicions can really be solid, I think the town should kill someone who is potentially mafia, but that if they are town will not be killed by the mafia until the end of the game. | ||
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Definitely going to be interesting to go back and look at his posts, I remember that he was very persistent at calling people out. | ||
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On March 11 2010 13:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Really? go look at the votes, and re-read a few posts in the last two-three pages. Its been enough to garner attention. that post for instance just goes to show. No one should be roleclaiming till after the election realistically. On March 12 2010 00:14 JeeJee wrote: What in the world.. Back up, foos. Let's step back and think. We have a bunch of people who are claiming non-townie roles running for mayor. We already have PM claims going on (what the hell?). All this is going to lead to some stupid days 2-3. L you are being quite scummy tbh right now. You have to consider the effect of having only blues run for office. It gives the mafia a list of blues, lawl. But surely you know that. Coupled with your "fun role" insinuation which is almost surely not a DT, I have to wonder what you're really doing . . . It doesn't add up, brah On March 12 2010 01:11 JeeJee wrote: wrong wrong wrong why are you voting because they claimed they are not green? That is stupid. Anyone can do that, nobody can be verified. You should vote on those that seem the least scummy/most likely to be innocent. And yes they'll likely end up blue given the format but them claiming so should not be affecting your decision Look at the plans they've proposed, look at their participation in the thread and how they respond to other's questions. I wouldn't be voting for L if I were you [QUOTE]On March 12 2010 04:07 JeeJee wrote: [QUOTE]On March 12 2010 02:21 L wrote: [quote]L you are being quite scummy tbh right now. You have to consider the effect of having only blues run for office. It gives the mafia a list of blues, lawl. But surely you know that. Coupled with your "fun role" insinuation which is almost surely not a DT, I have to wonder what you're really doing . . . It doesn't add up, brah[/quote] Not really. It seems pretty obvious that a number of the people running probably aren't blue; I didn't tell people not to run if they're green prior to after pretty much all of the competitive candidates already threw their hat in the ring; the question is whether or not they think they should push for the role after thinking about the game format. This game format is interesting because despite the fact that the offices can be confirmed, they can also be easily disposed of because of the bodyguard issues. If cobbler's a DT, I think its best for him to push. If Incog is green, I think its better for him to just step out of the race. If bill murray.. well no one cares there. If one of us are mafia, we're getting elected; Period. The question would be which of the innocents is getting in? Its also possible that no mafia get in if they decide to simply not make a run for office, which happens too. The alternative position, again, is that someone who's green can run for, say, pardoner, then have himself killed in order to get an ordered roleclaim started. I find it unlikely that anyone besides me would have the balls to do this because: 1) Ver's not in the game. 2) Showtime's not in the game 3) Judge is not in the game. The key point, however, is that medics can prevent a lot of mafia kp from getting through; If the medic protects the bgs under attack, it would take 2 full turns to break through the bodyguards, then a doublestack to kill the office member in play. That however, relies on the ability of us to focus our only medic on the BGs, which means that roleclaimed non-office blues present us with protection problems; Unless we have a bus claim to a confirmed office member, we can't really protect both extra and intra office blues. This is why I didn't want people explicitly claiming, and that's why it didn't matter if I said people shouldn't run as green: the candidacies were already in and no one had claimed at that point, so we were ironclad. If you guys think that my refusal to tell you what role I am is presents some sort of odd scumtell; you're retarded. You guys simply haven't been thinking about how to win. There's more to mafia than not have town members die; you need to develop a plan forward with the aim of winning otherwise you lose. This game has no clues, it has no list checks, it has very little kp on both teams. Its going to last for quite a while, so think ahead to days 3-4. Unlike in previous games wherein the game is basically over by then, that's simply not the case here. I personally have a plan that's almost assured to have us win. Once elected, I want a DT check thrown at me with a PM once they know my role. At that point, it should be pretty obvious what I'm trying to do from the DT's perspective and the town will have a relatively safe way to roleclaim. That said, there's a potential mafia bus driver problem, but I can get around that if I'm elected by using our bus and a few pms. I'll explain further during the night, and I'll need a few people to trust me, but if everything works out the game's pretty much won for town. [QUOTE]On March 12 2010 04:29 JeeJee wrote: [QUOTE]On March 12 2010 04:24 L wrote: [QUOTE]On March 12 2010 04:17 JeeJee wrote: [QUOTE]On March 12 2010 04:10 L wrote: [quote]it's amazing how you can write so much yet say so little[/quote] Its amazing how you can write something and convey only a complete lack of reading comprehension. [/QUOTE] oh i completely understood everything you wrote. unfortunately there just wasn't that much to it, which is what i pointed out. sorry if that was too complex of a thought process for you[/QUOTE] Once again, you write something and convey a complete lack of reading comprehension. You sir, are impressive. [/QUOTE] you're not helping your case[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]On March 12 2010 23:52 JeeJee wrote: [QUOTE]On March 12 2010 11:47 L wrote: [QUOTE]On March 12 2010 11:44 JeeJee wrote: [QUOTE]On March 12 2010 11:29 johnnyspazz wrote: [quote]Someone said that I'm running on the basis that I'm blue: I'm not.[/quote] [quote]Greens shouldn't be running for office unless they plan on losing.[/quote]i i'm a little confused here [/QUOTE] it's true he's running on the basis that he has a role that makes him want mayor and is not green he's just basically leaving open the possibility to go "lulz im a not-aligned busdriver"  [/QUOTE]Did you read what I wrote about being green? I would suggest that you check the part involving someone killing themselves with the addendum that says "the only player in this game who's ballsy enough to do that is L". Am I L? Oh, looks like I am. Hence if I'm running as green, I'm going to kill myself as confirmation in the part of a larger plan. 2+2.[/QUOTE] except you're not you have explcitly stated you're running for mayor, not pardoner you've also explicitly stated anyone running for mayor as a green is doing dumb shit and wants to lose. ergo, unless you're doing dumb shit and want town to lose, you're not green[/QUOTE] Collection of Jeejee's important posts, which you should all read. Jeejee is against L the whole game, supporting incognito. The only reason L is supporting this lynch is because of how Jeejee was making things difficult for him. Your not basing your opinion on real analysis, just emotions. He didn't gut the towns plans, just yours. With BC, it looks like he never really agreed with Jeejee, and with L putting emphasis on his last minute vote changing, was pushed into lynching Jeejee. I'm a little disappointed with BC, if you actually read Jeejee's posts, it is very clear that it was not surprising at all that he vote for incognito. I'm sure the reason he waited until the end was because he expected the mafia too keep the votes on their candidate close, and that if he changed earlier, the mafia would simply switch a few of their members to their candidate. It has been said, if the mafia want their candidate to be elected, they will be elected. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On March 11 2010 13:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Really? go look at the votes, and re-read a few posts in the last two-three pages. Its been enough to garner attention. that post for instance just goes to show. No one should be roleclaiming till after the election realistically. On March 12 2010 00:14 JeeJee wrote: What in the world.. Back up, foos. Let's step back and think. We have a bunch of people who are claiming non-townie roles running for mayor. We already have PM claims going on (what the hell?). All this is going to lead to some stupid days 2-3. L you are being quite scummy tbh right now. You have to consider the effect of having only blues run for office. It gives the mafia a list of blues, lawl. But surely you know that. Coupled with your "fun role" insinuation which is almost surely not a DT, I have to wonder what you're really doing . . . It doesn't add up, brah On March 12 2010 01:11 JeeJee wrote: wrong wrong wrong why are you voting because they claimed they are not green? That is stupid. Anyone can do that, nobody can be verified. You should vote on those that seem the least scummy/most likely to be innocent. And yes they'll likely end up blue given the format but them claiming so should not be affecting your decision Look at the plans they've proposed, look at their participation in the thread and how they respond to other's questions. I wouldn't be voting for L if I were you On March 12 2010 04:07 JeeJee wrote: and of course I mess up the spoiler/quotes. Fixed it in this to make it easier for everyone. | ||
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I already showed that his vote change was to be expected, why would be vote for you in one thread, and go completely against you in the other? You were talking about killing Jeejee for accountability, at least take responsibility yourself for pushing a bad lynch. And BC also, why didn't you kill madnessman, he switched first and independently of jeejee, without posting reasons in the thread beforehand, or bill murray even? Jeejee was obviously the most dangerous one out of all of them, he actually pushed against people. I'm sure the mafia are glad to have him out of the way. And you say that if the mafia wanted BC or incognito in, they got them in. Well, You would have gotten in, if it hadn't been for a townie interfering, Jeejee. You could just as easily be mafia, angry at Jeejee for fighting against you, then stopping you from getting elected. @Bill murray How does you dying prove that incognito is innocent? Your just tying yourself to him because you think you might die and you want to influence the game somehow, by creating a link that doesn't exist between you and someone you blindly trust. | ||
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Your doing the same thing with bill murray and me that you did with Jeejee, Bill murray killed you last game, and so you want him killed. He isnt smart and just wants to live, so he bandwagons on with Jeejee to screw up the election for you. And now you want me to die if I get you killed. Seriously, keep your emotions out of the game, I thought you were a better player than that. I do think that L could be mafia, but he could just as easily be blue. I don't think we should be trying to lynch him at this point, he is a smart player who can help the town if he tries, that plus the fact that he has hinted at his blue role (although for some reason not actually claiming a role protects him somehow...?) over the thread makes him a huge target for the mafia, we should not lynch him when we aren't sure he is red, and is a great weapon is he isn't. But do not forget about him either, if he doesn't take a hit in the next few days, he will probably be the biggest suspect. Depending on circumstances of course. Incognito, I don't think I have seen you roleclaim yet. Is there any reason for that, now that you are protected? | ||
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On March 14 2010 05:27 L wrote: Well, he basically gutted the plan that was on the table, allowed mafia to swing under the premise of working with him and got the person with the shadiest vote list elected. Do you honestly not see how that would cause problems or require the town to use a lynch or two to clear up? And also to reiterate this point, Jeejee and Bill murray together switched their votes. Jeejee had obvious reasons and is now confirmed town, bill murray simply doesn't like L or want to die. Madnessman, The other guy who switched his votes, was independent of this, and I don't see why he switched his vote from what he has posted so far. This is the only switched vote that is suspicious, it would be useless to lynch Bill, and it was useless to lynch Jeejee. | ||
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On March 14 2010 08:23 L wrote: Wait wait wait, with you? Seeing as I haven't typed your name once this entire game in my recollection... How do you figure? On March 14 2010 06:59 L wrote: I mean, I don't even understand why you'd try to use hindsight to justify a literally TO THE MINUTE voteswing. When I die and flip whatever I flip, you can take responsability by dying the next day (unless I die tonight, in which case kill bill murray first. I guess thats not quite the same thing... but.... My main point of all that is that, as dumb as bill murray is, his vote switch and jeejees vote switches were connected, and bill's main reason seems like it was simply because he doesnt like you. Maybe he is red and was taking advantage of Jeejee's PM. Probably not. Bill may be acting scummy, but he is also acting the same way he has every game. Madnessman's vote switch wasn't connected to theirs, if vote switches are suspicious, then he is suspicious, he wasn't following anyone that we've seen so far. I'm going to wait to see the day post until I say anything more. | ||
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On March 14 2010 08:58 Abenson wrote: This game sure seems slow... I wish foolishness was here right now... + Show Spoiler + NO ONE CARES | ||
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On March 14 2010 09:04 L wrote: 1) Nah, i said JeeJee should also be a target. Woulda preferred BM, but oh well. 2) If your team hits me, you're probably going to lose the game for your team. So tell them to hit someone else. I probably have a medic on me anyways. revenge accuse again? ... ... ... ... ... + Show Spoiler + I do agree that is a scum post tho. | ||
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I want a double lynch if we kill bill murray, so it doesn't get completely wasted. Who knows, maybe he is mafia, I just don't see anything out of the ordinary from him. | ||
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On March 14 2010 14:44 L wrote: Citi.zen, if you feel so strongly about killing me, how's about we kill bill murray today and if I'm wrong, you kill me tomorrow. Sounds like everyone wins. useless, BM being green doesn't make you red, you just don't like eachother. No one will actually try to get you lynched for BM being green. BC, are you going to say what your night actions were? Incognito, are you going to roleclaim? L, Are you going to respond to Zona's post asking why you have told the mafia you are blue, but haven't told the town your role? | ||
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I'm voting for sidesprang because madnessman doesn't seem that scummy, and for the reasons that incognito pointed out. The case isn't the best, but I don't see the mafia killing inactives for us, and even if inactive people flip green, less places for the mafia to hide. | ||
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On March 17 2010 07:09 L wrote: I suggest people read the last 2 pages very carefully; someone's trying to cover something up by spamming. Take a guess at who. and take a look at page 49 (: I still am not convinced that BM is mafia, but it is almost worth it to kill him to stop the spam, and let people (L) focus their attention on other people. I don't like him flipping green being used to indicate that other people are red, those connections are most likely completely wrong. | ||
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I apologize to everyone I've been PMing, I'm bad at life. | ||
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I want to call attention again to inactive people: foolishness, nemy, sidesprang, d3 cresentia, l10f, and whoever else you consider inactive. Its easy to get mad and accuse people you dont like, or disagree with, but last game when I was mafia, I was content to just sit and watch while everyone was busy fighting with eachother. | ||
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On March 17 2010 13:47 d3_crescentia wrote: So somehow you all just magically knew that the other two were blue? That's what bothers me. I'm surprised the mafia wouldn't run any of their own, unless they KNEW how powerful DTs could be in office, and thus would rather have them in than out, and hope to stack hits on BGs so they can eliminate the offices. But it seems odd so far that they'd waste hits on Vivi and Fulgrim before moving onto BGs. This either suggests to me an inactive/disorganized/noob mafia. In this respect Xelin and Iaaan come to mind, with Xelin being the stronger suspect. I still feel that Iaaan is being very much Iaaan, but if he is mafia bus driver he'll be ineffectual unless he gets his hands on some private information. Here's where I'm going to trust the counsel of our wise town leaders and vote for BM despite my doubts. I'm of the belief that he's consistently inconsistent with his reasoning, but I don't see any better analysis out there. I believe the reason I'm not being lynched is because there are two BG's known by incog/L/BC, so a 3rd is unlikely. I would like to point out, that because GF is a leadership role for the mafia, that it likely a smart/veteran player would get that role. Since Malongo is dead, and mafia, the GF could be someone with more influence/experience than him. Looking at the player list, Foolishness or Citi.zen could be the Godfather. | ||
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I think it is possible that Xelin is just stupid in contradicting himself, not necessarily scum. It doesn't differ from other games. I am not set on this tho. | ||
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On March 19 2010 13:07 ~OpZ~ wrote: So is this a statement of suspecting Xelin, or just calling him stupid townie? I'd agree on either, but is it backing him being town or stating you suspect him? Please clarify. Thanks in advance. What I mean is, that if he is under suspicion, I don't think it should be because he is saying stupid things/making dumb decisions, because he does that every game. Same sort of logic I had with Bill Murray. I'm not saying he is green, IMO other suspects are better choices. | ||
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I guess I'm awaiting instruction on who to lynch now. | ||
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