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johnnyspazz
Profile Joined April 2009
Taiwan1470 Posts
March 08 2010 02:47 GMT
#541
ok ill wait until we get more discussion but i feel like Ace is a way more legitimate target than any one he has threatened to kill
"The big difference between sex for money and sex for free is that sex for money usually costs a lot less." -Brendan Behan
XeliN
Profile Joined June 2009
United Kingdom1755 Posts
March 08 2010 02:49 GMT
#542
The mafia must be loving every single aspect of this game.
Adonai bless
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
March 08 2010 02:51 GMT
#543
yea, good luck convincing anyone of that hahahahahahaha.

[image loading]
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
XeliN
Profile Joined June 2009
United Kingdom1755 Posts
March 08 2010 02:55 GMT
#544
Ace your acting like a petulant child, be careful of the next 3km you are his type.
Adonai bless
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
March 08 2010 02:56 GMT
#545
On March 08 2010 11:26 flamewheel91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2010 11:08 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Wow, can you read the fucking pm? And you will see why I'm pming you, you douche bag. Instead of trying to kill me, pay attention to my words. Seems like you don't want the town to win apparently if you're not going to help me.


Language, please. Even though this game is a lot less 'strict' than other ones, per se, still a veneer of civility should be maintained.

Excellent Work Comrade.
Watch me fail at Paradox: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397564
Abenson
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada4122 Posts
March 08 2010 03:01 GMT
#546
Alright
What is the final decision
Am I shooting BM?
XeliN
Profile Joined June 2009
United Kingdom1755 Posts
March 08 2010 03:02 GMT
#547
On March 08 2010 12:01 Abenson wrote:
Alright
What is the final decision
Am I shooting BM?


Yes, and try to do it before Ace fills up his super soaker 2000 and starts spraying fail all over the place.
Adonai bless
Fulgrim
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States560 Posts
March 08 2010 03:03 GMT
#548
On March 08 2010 12:01 Abenson wrote:
Alright
What is the final decision
Am I shooting BM?


I think yes, but I don't think the town has a majority on it yet. You should try and do it before Johnny and Ace kill each other or Ace kills shockeyy
One does not simply walk into mordor
Abenson
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada4122 Posts
March 08 2010 03:06 GMT
#549
On March 08 2010 12:03 Fulgrim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2010 12:01 Abenson wrote:
Alright
What is the final decision
Am I shooting BM?


I think yes, but I don't think the town has a majority on it yet. You should try and do it before Johnny and Ace kill each other or Ace kills shockeyy


Confirmed
My target is set
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
March 08 2010 03:10 GMT
#550
On March 08 2010 11:47 johnnyspazz wrote:
ok ill wait until we get more discussion but i feel like Ace is a way more legitimate target than any one he has threatened to kill


Yes, Ace is acting weird, but he does that every game early on it seems. In this game:

1. Offers first real plan. As far as i can tell, it's not a bad plan - making him likely green.
2. He insisted on using his "list". When pressed he said he would not be opposed to using the reversed one, but then still went back to his list when it came to calling the next hit. Since the important part here was the process, not the actual list, it seems like Ace should have been all for the reversal if it gained him even a tiny bit of extra trust, no further discussion needed. So this was odd/suspect.
3. Wanted to kill a blue for a PM directed at him. This makes it unlikely Ace is red I would think...

Sure, currently he meets his own definition of "not helping the town" = "stupid player" = "target". I just think he is a worse player than he thinks he is. I hope you calm down and prove us otherwise... but realize that is unlikely at this point.
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
March 08 2010 03:12 GMT
#551
New target, citizen for misanalyzing my playing ability.

I'm actually God Mode level. If you disagree, come and stop me.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
March 08 2010 03:12 GMT
#552
Secondly Shocckey isn't a confirmed medic. No one forced him to roleclaim either. so how are you so sure he's really a medic?

locked and loaded
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
March 08 2010 03:14 GMT
#553
I guess that's a "no" on the calming down and helping part. Maybe after you sleep on it...
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
March 08 2010 03:15 GMT
#554
Something isn't right here.

Lets move past the stupidity of an unconfirmed Medic who didn't wasn't even in danger role claiming.

How are you so sure he was really a medic?

Bill Murray is no longer a primary target. I'm deciding between citizen and shockeyy now.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Fulgrim
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States560 Posts
March 08 2010 03:16 GMT
#555
On March 08 2010 12:10 citi.zen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2010 11:47 johnnyspazz wrote:
ok ill wait until we get more discussion but i feel like Ace is a way more legitimate target than any one he has threatened to kill


Yes, Ace is acting weird, but he does that every game early on it seems. In this game:

1. Offers first real plan. As far as i can tell, it's not a bad plan - making him likely green.
2. He insisted on using his "list". When pressed he said he would not be opposed to using the reversed one, but then still went back to his list when it came to calling the next hit. Since the important part here was the process, not the actual list, it seems like Ace should have been all for the reversal if it gained him even a tiny bit of extra trust, no further discussion needed. So this was odd/suspect.
3. Wanted to kill a blue for a PM directed at him. This makes it unlikely Ace is red I would think...

Sure, currently he meets his own definition of "not helping the town" = "stupid player" = "target". I just think he is a worse player than he thinks he is. I hope you calm down and prove us otherwise... but realize that is unlikely at this point.


He's probably doing some sort of super-analysis or something lol. Idc, its actually kind of funny.

BM should die tomorrow, otherwise he is going to screw up the town badly. The key is who we should target next. Ace if you really want Shockeyy dead, the mafia will probably do it themselves since he roleclaimed medic, don't waste a town hit on him. After killing BM we need to find a legit mafia target, maybe the DT's will have found someone by then.
One does not simply walk into mordor
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
March 08 2010 03:19 GMT
#556
*sniff*

*sniff*

smells really scummy around here.

Citizen you gonna explain how you knew Shockeyy was a blue?
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
March 08 2010 03:20 GMT
#557
On March 08 2010 12:15 Ace wrote:
Something isn't right here.

Lets move past the stupidity of an unconfirmed Medic who didn't wasn't even in danger role claiming.

How are you so sure he was really a medic?

Bill Murray is no longer a primary target. I'm deciding between citizen and shockeyy now.


... the point was that if you are red and someone PMs you to role-claim you have no obvious reason to post it. You could try to use them/kill them instead. The fact that you didn't do that makes you more likely to be green/blue in my mind, as I already mentioned. Nobody cares if he is confirmed or not - we have no way of telling right now anyway.
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
March 08 2010 03:21 GMT
#558
On March 08 2010 12:19 Ace wrote:
*sniff*

*sniff*

smells really scummy around here.

Citizen you gonna explain how you knew Shockeyy was a blue?


Try to keep up. With the arguments, not the insults.
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
Incognito
Profile Joined November 2008
United States2071 Posts
March 08 2010 03:23 GMT
#559
Sorry I got suddenly busy, but long post coming up. Since its been a while since I've started this it doesn't cover anything past page 26.

First order of business:

On March 08 2010 05:28 dozko wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2010 02:46 789 wrote:
Well if we are going to go with random lists that is made by a confirmed green. Here's my proposition. We start with Ace's inverted list which will have Abenson as the first to execute. I think you can all agree with me (no offense abenson) that it is unlikely abenson was chosen as the CIA agent. If he can shoot he is more than likely green. Then abenson could use the same method Ace did to create a list. This would give us a list that we will not have to worry about bias.


Your idea is good but your thought process is ridiculous. Judging by the length of the night the reds have not yet sent in their night actions to Caller. Therefore the CIA agent is yet to be chosen. Furthermore nothing stops the reds electing abenson as the cia (if he is one of them) and then simply telling him what to write/writing for him.

So basically here's how I would like our strategy. 1) We go with ace's initial idea of a random list 2) We go with 789's idea of letting the confirmed green shooter generate a new list every day 3) We DO NOT decide on how to rearrange the original random list by ace until it is Day 2.

Also just for the record the chance that Xelin is pro town in all 3 games (BC's, Incog's, Caller's [assuming 6 reds]) is 11%.


Calculating XeliN's pro-town % for 3 games in a row requires you to know the percentage chance of being pro-town in each game individually. Role counts are not disclosed this game. So the only way that you could have known this percentage is if you are mafia. Explain yourself.

Day 1 hit:
Nobody's been talking about what to do now that I've been hit. We need to start talking about this now.

The fact that I was successfully hit and protected suggests that I'm 99.99% town, especially now that the Secret Nazi is dead and burried. My participation? Very pro-town. And sadly, almost everybody has been ignoring my posts. Red Army Archives? Very pro-town. All of you who haven't posted there yet (theres 10 of you) NEED to do that ASAP. Also please update the list EVERY TIME you make a post. I've noticed people who have already posted have not kept their posts updated. This needs to be done. At this point, except for Ace nobody's stepped up to accuse anyone. We need to keep these lists updated so we can get this mafia crushing machine rolling. And with that, I think its now time to get the roleclaims coming in. The only reason why you won't do this is if you're Ace or if you're don't think I'm town. If you don't think I'm town, then well, you should step up and challenge me. Because unless you do that, you have no reason not to roleclaim.

Lists

You guys can't ignore lists. We are playing this game to win in the long term. Which means showing people they can't act stupidly. No shooting out of turn. No shooting without town consensus and discussion. About the randomized list, we need to discuss something. I expect everyone to pitch in on this discussion. Our options are to use a set, public list, or to use a rotating list as suggested by our late comrade 789.

In essence, the rotating list is a private list.

Discussion point: What are the advantages to using a public v. private list? I'd like Ace's input on this in particular. My personal feeling is that a private list would keep the mafia on their toes, but that a public list might get the mafia to slip up trying to manipulate the town. Thoughts?

At this point though, I have another suspect:

Foolishness:
You've made a substantially lengthy post stating something that we've mentioned. You then follow up quickly by defending an accusation that tells you that you are posting repetitive material. After it seems like you're in the clear, you vanish. Cool beans. On top of that you haven't posted in the archives. Please come out and explain.

Likely list of good comrades: (I might add some later, let me just get this post out.)
citi.zen
Fulgrim
Ace
Incognito

The following spoiler is simply included for the sake of completeness (for those of you who I pmed). Otherwise you can ignore it.
+ Show Spoiler +
So for the random signup player list, what I did is send pms to 4 players. I sent both L and l10f a pm asking them to pick heads or tails. I asked Foolishness to pick same or different. I also sent Ace a pm saying that same = top to bottom, and that different = bottom to top.

Results:
-L - tails
-l10f - heads
Foolishness - Different
Therefore, Foolishness's choice matches the coin picks, so we use the list from top to bottom.

So now all 4 of these pmed players have information to match against mine. If I were mafia, then Foolishness and one of the coin flippers would have to be mafia if I rigged it. Otherwise, the chance of this being rigged is very very low and could be accepted as a random result. It is highly unlikely that a mafioso in this group of people would be able to manipulate the outcome.

-note: oops I screwed up. I meant to pm Ace to say that correct = top to bottom and different = bottom to top. But this works. Either way we're not using this list so not a big deal. I'm inclined to use the rotating list idea anyway.
The bureaucracy is expanding to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy
Malongo
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Chile3472 Posts
March 08 2010 03:24 GMT
#560
talking about personality disorder :D
Help me! im still improving my English. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. M. G.
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