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well actually i suppose the mafia could have just hit once or doublestacked and have incog cia claim he's innocent. lawl
so let's make it 99%
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Whoever protected Incog night 1 should do it again, he shouldn't die. Also we could get L back in the game, making up for BM's huge screw up, if we vote for dead players to return. Thoughts on this anyone?
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Poll: replace meeple?
(Vote): no
(Vote): yes, new players only
(Vote): yes, dead and new players
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On March 08 2010 13:12 Ace wrote:
bullshit.
Why would I believe your medic claim when I wasn't hit? You really are dense.
GG. You're getting shot.
Ummm did you forget that medics protect blindly with out knowing who might get hit. I protected you cause I thought you might get hit since people usually always try to take you out first, so I thought since you know how to play very well these mafia games, I thought you would be a very good essential to the town, which is why I protected you the first night.
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night actions, ur shit, please
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Just saw this in the OP so everyone knows:
You may only use the "execute" ability once every 72 hours.
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On March 08 2010 13:50 Fulgrim wrote:
Just saw this in the OP so everyone knows:
You may only use the "execute" ability once every 72 hours.
i changed the policy to you must wait one day after you kill a guy, if its ur second kill wait two days, etc.
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Woohoo people ignoring me again. So I'll quote it here.
On March 08 2010 12:23 Incognito wrote:Sorry I got suddenly busy, but long post coming up. Since its been a while since I've started this it doesn't cover anything past page 26. First order of business:Show nested quote +On March 08 2010 05:28 dozko wrote:On March 08 2010 02:46 789 wrote:
Well if we are going to go with random lists that is made by a confirmed green. Here's my proposition. We start with Ace's inverted list which will have Abenson as the first to execute. I think you can all agree with me (no offense abenson) that it is unlikely abenson was chosen as the CIA agent. If he can shoot he is more than likely green. Then abenson could use the same method Ace did to create a list. This would give us a list that we will not have to worry about bias. Your idea is good but your thought process is ridiculous. Judging by the length of the night the reds have not yet sent in their night actions to Caller. Therefore the CIA agent is yet to be chosen. Furthermore nothing stops the reds electing abenson as the cia (if he is one of them) and then simply telling him what to write/writing for him. So basically here's how I would like our strategy. 1) We go with ace's initial idea of a random list 2) We go with 789's idea of letting the confirmed green shooter generate a new list every day 3) We DO NOT decide on how to rearrange the original random list by ace until it is Day 2. Also just for the record the chance that Xelin is pro town in all 3 games (BC's, Incog's, Caller's [assuming 6 reds]) is 11%. Calculating XeliN's pro-town % for 3 games in a row requires you to know the percentage chance of being pro-town in each game individually. Role counts are not disclosed this game. So the only way that you could have known this percentage is if you are mafia. Explain yourself. Day 1 hit: Nobody's been talking about what to do now that I've been hit. We need to start talking about this now. The fact that I was successfully hit and protected suggests that I'm 99.99% town, especially now that the Secret Nazi is dead and burried. My participation? Very pro-town. And sadly, almost everybody has been ignoring my posts. Red Army Archives? Very pro-town. All of you who haven't posted there yet (theres 10 of you) NEED to do that ASAP. Also please update the list EVERY TIME you make a post. I've noticed people who have already posted have not kept their posts updated. This needs to be done. At this point, except for Ace nobody's stepped up to accuse anyone. We need to keep these lists updated so we can get this mafia crushing machine rolling. And with that, I think its now time to get the roleclaims coming in. The only reason why you won't do this is if you're Ace or if you're don't think I'm town. If you don't think I'm town, then well, you should step up and challenge me. Because unless you do that, you have no reason not to roleclaim. ListsYou guys can't ignore lists. We are playing this game to win in the long term. Which means showing people they can't act stupidly. No shooting out of turn. No shooting without town consensus and discussion. About the randomized list, we need to discuss something. I expect everyone to pitch in on this discussion. Our options are to use a set, public list, or to use a rotating list as suggested by our late comrade 789. In essence, the rotating list is a private list. Discussion point: What are the advantages to using a public v. private list? I'd like Ace's input on this in particular. My personal feeling is that a private list would keep the mafia on their toes, but that a public list might get the mafia to slip up trying to manipulate the town. Thoughts? At this point though, I have another suspect: Foolishness: You've made a substantially lengthy post stating something that we've mentioned. You then follow up quickly by defending an accusation that tells you that you are posting repetitive material. After it seems like you're in the clear, you vanish. Cool beans. On top of that you haven't posted in the archives. Please come out and explain. Likely list of good comrades: (I might add some later, let me just get this post out.) citi.zen Fulgrim Ace Incognito The following spoiler is simply included for the sake of completeness (for those of you who I pmed). Otherwise you can ignore it. + Show Spoiler +So for the random signup player list, what I did is send pms to 4 players. I sent both L and l10f a pm asking them to pick heads or tails. I asked Foolishness to pick same or different. I also sent Ace a pm saying that same = top to bottom, and that different = bottom to top.
Results:
-L - tails
-l10f - heads
Foolishness - Different
Therefore, Foolishness's choice matches the coin picks, so we use the list from top to bottom.
So now all 4 of these pmed players have information to match against mine. If I were mafia, then Foolishness and one of the coin flippers would have to be mafia if I rigged it. Otherwise, the chance of this being rigged is very very low and could be accepted as a random result. It is highly unlikely that a mafioso in this group of people would be able to manipulate the outcome.
-note: oops I screwed up. I meant to pm Ace to say that correct = top to bottom and different = bottom to top. But this works. Either way we're not using this list so not a big deal. I'm inclined to use the rotating list idea anyway.
Start talking about Foolishness. No. 1 suspect right now imo. Ace, ShoCkeyy, citi.zen, please stop the petty bickering right now and share your thoughts about Foolishness. I just feel this is just another townies v. townies situation.
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Hey you= dont be an asshole:
Dont shoot people that already shot,
Dont shoot people that claimed blue.
Thats all. You can pretty much shot anyone as long as we keep that going.
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I support the hit on Foolishness a lot more than BM.
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On March 08 2010 13:54 Malongo wrote:
Hey you= dont be an asshole:
Dont shot people that already shot,
Dont shot people that claimed blue.
Thats all. You can pretty much shot anyone as long as we keep that going.
Uh, no, you don't shoot anyone. You shoot whoever we come to a consensus about. And its not you. Its whoever is next on the list. Which is Abenson. And Abenson, don't lock into killing BM right now. We have much to discuss before we actually shoot. Can we actually please have a day that lasts longer than 15 minutes before we lynch? Thanks.
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On March 08 2010 13:17 Incognito wrote:
^Would you believe my town claim? Unlike you, I was hit.
You should start pushing for roleclaims (yes I know you already mentioned it once), but if everyone's ignoring your posts, just spam the thread until people do. At this point, nobody has come out against your claim, it's pretty safe to say you're a confirmed innocent.
At the very least, consider having someone on standby to kill as soon as day begins. You should be deciding who we kill based on the list. Not that there's much of a chance you'll get to since as soon as day starts some idiot will kill, but hey, lets try to be optimistic.
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Yeah let's go ahead and talk about me, especially when there's other people who have yet to post and have yet to actually contribute anything to the town. Okay fine, yes I have not contributed and all I've done is to try to stop being from being stupid which is unrealistic. But hey, ignoring the bigger problems at hand is a much better idea than weeding out the mafia from the nice list of inactive players.
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As far as i can tell you are one of the most inactive players. Care to propose a someone else¿ what nice list of inactives¿
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since you've been paying attention to who has been inactive this game, care to create a list for us?
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+ Show Spoiler +On March 08 2010 13:53 Incognito wrote:Woohoo people ignoring me again. So I'll quote it here. Show nested quote +On March 08 2010 12:23 Incognito wrote:Sorry I got suddenly busy, but long post coming up. Since its been a while since I've started this it doesn't cover anything past page 26. First order of business:On March 08 2010 05:28 dozko wrote:On March 08 2010 02:46 789 wrote:
Well if we are going to go with random lists that is made by a confirmed green. Here's my proposition. We start with Ace's inverted list which will have Abenson as the first to execute. I think you can all agree with me (no offense abenson) that it is unlikely abenson was chosen as the CIA agent. If he can shoot he is more than likely green. Then abenson could use the same method Ace did to create a list. This would give us a list that we will not have to worry about bias. Your idea is good but your thought process is ridiculous. Judging by the length of the night the reds have not yet sent in their night actions to Caller. Therefore the CIA agent is yet to be chosen. Furthermore nothing stops the reds electing abenson as the cia (if he is one of them) and then simply telling him what to write/writing for him. So basically here's how I would like our strategy. 1) We go with ace's initial idea of a random list 2) We go with 789's idea of letting the confirmed green shooter generate a new list every day 3) We DO NOT decide on how to rearrange the original random list by ace until it is Day 2. Also just for the record the chance that Xelin is pro town in all 3 games (BC's, Incog's, Caller's [assuming 6 reds]) is 11%. Calculating XeliN's pro-town % for 3 games in a row requires you to know the percentage chance of being pro-town in each game individually. Role counts are not disclosed this game. So the only way that you could have known this percentage is if you are mafia. Explain yourself. Day 1 hit: Nobody's been talking about what to do now that I've been hit. We need to start talking about this now. The fact that I was successfully hit and protected suggests that I'm 99.99% town, especially now that the Secret Nazi is dead and burried. My participation? Very pro-town. And sadly, almost everybody has been ignoring my posts. Red Army Archives? Very pro-town. All of you who haven't posted there yet (theres 10 of you) NEED to do that ASAP. Also please update the list EVERY TIME you make a post. I've noticed people who have already posted have not kept their posts updated. This needs to be done. At this point, except for Ace nobody's stepped up to accuse anyone. We need to keep these lists updated so we can get this mafia crushing machine rolling. And with that, I think its now time to get the roleclaims coming in. The only reason why you won't do this is if you're Ace or if you're don't think I'm town. If you don't think I'm town, then well, you should step up and challenge me. Because unless you do that, you have no reason not to roleclaim. ListsYou guys can't ignore lists. We are playing this game to win in the long term. Which means showing people they can't act stupidly. No shooting out of turn. No shooting without town consensus and discussion. About the randomized list, we need to discuss something. I expect everyone to pitch in on this discussion. Our options are to use a set, public list, or to use a rotating list as suggested by our late comrade 789. In essence, the rotating list is a private list. Discussion point: What are the advantages to using a public v. private list? I'd like Ace's input on this in particular. My personal feeling is that a private list would keep the mafia on their toes, but that a public list might get the mafia to slip up trying to manipulate the town. Thoughts? At this point though, I have another suspect: Foolishness: You've made a substantially lengthy post stating something that we've mentioned. You then follow up quickly by defending an accusation that tells you that you are posting repetitive material. After it seems like you're in the clear, you vanish. Cool beans. On top of that you haven't posted in the archives. Please come out and explain. Likely list of good comrades: (I might add some later, let me just get this post out.) citi.zen Fulgrim Ace Incognito The following spoiler is simply included for the sake of completeness (for those of you who I pmed). Otherwise you can ignore it. + Show Spoiler +So for the random signup player list, what I did is send pms to 4 players. I sent both L and l10f a pm asking them to pick heads or tails. I asked Foolishness to pick same or different. I also sent Ace a pm saying that same = top to bottom, and that different = bottom to top.
Results:
-L - tails
-l10f - heads
Foolishness - Different
Therefore, Foolishness's choice matches the coin picks, so we use the list from top to bottom.
So now all 4 of these pmed players have information to match against mine. If I were mafia, then Foolishness and one of the coin flippers would have to be mafia if I rigged it. Otherwise, the chance of this being rigged is very very low and could be accepted as a random result. It is highly unlikely that a mafioso in this group of people would be able to manipulate the outcome.
-note: oops I screwed up. I meant to pm Ace to say that correct = top to bottom and different = bottom to top. But this works. Either way we're not using this list so not a big deal. I'm inclined to use the rotating list idea anyway. Start talking about Foolishness. No. 1 suspect right now imo. Ace, ShoCkeyy, citi.zen, please stop the petty bickering right now and share your thoughts about Foolishness. I just feel this is just another townies v. townies situation.
A rotating list is far superior to a static list. I'm not sure what the mafia could do, but them knowing when they have to shoot, AHEAD of time seems like a really bad idea to me. Best to keep it hidden and random so the mafia can't prepare.
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Two important announcments:
1. Archives. We still have missing players. All of you people are suspicious. We also have players who haven't been keeping up with staying on top of keeping their post updated. This is essential. Plus, in the case that you die, it makes it a lot easier for us to see why you were hit. Critical.
Players missing from the archives:
4. Sidesprang
5. ~OpZ~
10. Fishball
13. Nemy
22. Vivi57
23. Foolishness
25. l10f
2. Roleclaims. Once again, there is no reason not to roleclaim to me unless you think I'm mafia. In which case you step up and state your opinions. Otherwise, I need your roleclaims ASAP. I've already got some coming in. The later your roleclaim the more suspicious you become! Thanks.
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On March 08 2010 14:08 Fulgrim wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 08 2010 13:53 Incognito wrote:Woohoo people ignoring me again. So I'll quote it here. Show nested quote +On March 08 2010 12:23 Incognito wrote:Sorry I got suddenly busy, but long post coming up. Since its been a while since I've started this it doesn't cover anything past page 26. First order of business:On March 08 2010 05:28 dozko wrote:On March 08 2010 02:46 789 wrote:
Well if we are going to go with random lists that is made by a confirmed green. Here's my proposition. We start with Ace's inverted list which will have Abenson as the first to execute. I think you can all agree with me (no offense abenson) that it is unlikely abenson was chosen as the CIA agent. If he can shoot he is more than likely green. Then abenson could use the same method Ace did to create a list. This would give us a list that we will not have to worry about bias. Your idea is good but your thought process is ridiculous. Judging by the length of the night the reds have not yet sent in their night actions to Caller. Therefore the CIA agent is yet to be chosen. Furthermore nothing stops the reds electing abenson as the cia (if he is one of them) and then simply telling him what to write/writing for him. So basically here's how I would like our strategy. 1) We go with ace's initial idea of a random list 2) We go with 789's idea of letting the confirmed green shooter generate a new list every day 3) We DO NOT decide on how to rearrange the original random list by ace until it is Day 2. Also just for the record the chance that Xelin is pro town in all 3 games (BC's, Incog's, Caller's [assuming 6 reds]) is 11%. Calculating XeliN's pro-town % for 3 games in a row requires you to know the percentage chance of being pro-town in each game individually. Role counts are not disclosed this game. So the only way that you could have known this percentage is if you are mafia. Explain yourself. Day 1 hit: Nobody's been talking about what to do now that I've been hit. We need to start talking about this now. The fact that I was successfully hit and protected suggests that I'm 99.99% town, especially now that the Secret Nazi is dead and burried. My participation? Very pro-town. And sadly, almost everybody has been ignoring my posts. Red Army Archives? Very pro-town. All of you who haven't posted there yet (theres 10 of you) NEED to do that ASAP. Also please update the list EVERY TIME you make a post. I've noticed people who have already posted have not kept their posts updated. This needs to be done. At this point, except for Ace nobody's stepped up to accuse anyone. We need to keep these lists updated so we can get this mafia crushing machine rolling. And with that, I think its now time to get the roleclaims coming in. The only reason why you won't do this is if you're Ace or if you're don't think I'm town. If you don't think I'm town, then well, you should step up and challenge me. Because unless you do that, you have no reason not to roleclaim. ListsYou guys can't ignore lists. We are playing this game to win in the long term. Which means showing people they can't act stupidly. No shooting out of turn. No shooting without town consensus and discussion. About the randomized list, we need to discuss something. I expect everyone to pitch in on this discussion. Our options are to use a set, public list, or to use a rotating list as suggested by our late comrade 789. In essence, the rotating list is a private list. Discussion point: What are the advantages to using a public v. private list? I'd like Ace's input on this in particular. My personal feeling is that a private list would keep the mafia on their toes, but that a public list might get the mafia to slip up trying to manipulate the town. Thoughts? At this point though, I have another suspect: Foolishness: You've made a substantially lengthy post stating something that we've mentioned. You then follow up quickly by defending an accusation that tells you that you are posting repetitive material. After it seems like you're in the clear, you vanish. Cool beans. On top of that you haven't posted in the archives. Please come out and explain. Likely list of good comrades: (I might add some later, let me just get this post out.) citi.zen Fulgrim Ace Incognito The following spoiler is simply included for the sake of completeness (for those of you who I pmed). Otherwise you can ignore it. + Show Spoiler +So for the random signup player list, what I did is send pms to 4 players. I sent both L and l10f a pm asking them to pick heads or tails. I asked Foolishness to pick same or different. I also sent Ace a pm saying that same = top to bottom, and that different = bottom to top.
Results:
-L - tails
-l10f - heads
Foolishness - Different
Therefore, Foolishness's choice matches the coin picks, so we use the list from top to bottom.
So now all 4 of these pmed players have information to match against mine. If I were mafia, then Foolishness and one of the coin flippers would have to be mafia if I rigged it. Otherwise, the chance of this being rigged is very very low and could be accepted as a random result. It is highly unlikely that a mafioso in this group of people would be able to manipulate the outcome.
-note: oops I screwed up. I meant to pm Ace to say that correct = top to bottom and different = bottom to top. But this works. Either way we're not using this list so not a big deal. I'm inclined to use the rotating list idea anyway. Start talking about Foolishness. No. 1 suspect right now imo. Ace, ShoCkeyy, citi.zen, please stop the petty bickering right now and share your thoughts about Foolishness. I just feel this is just another townies v. townies situation. A rotating list is far superior to a static list. I'm not sure what the mafia could do, but them knowing when they have to shoot, AHEAD of time seems like a really bad idea to me. Best to keep it hidden and random so the mafia can't prepare.
Ah yes. I almost forgot this. Ace, I'd like your opinion on this one.
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On March 08 2010 14:05 johnnyspazz wrote:
since you've been paying attention to who has been inactive this game, care to create a list for us?
Gladly
sidesprang - made one post about how we should not use randomized lists. When nobody responded, made another post asking if anyone read it. Has since been mia.
Fishball - Has yet to make a post that's been more than 2 sentences.
l10f - Also yet to make a post longer than 2 sentences.
Nemy - defended malongo, then left.
Opz - Has defended malongo, but has yet to give information that hasn't already been said.
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