TL Mafia XVIII

On February 13 2010 03:58 flamewheel91 wrote:


The ones that evolve later are generally stronger!
...Like the dragons.
Yay. But yeah it's based on a combination of time registered and post count.

Though I've been registered for more than a month and have over 250 posts, so I'm a bit confused right now.

On February 14 2010 09:19 johnnyspazz wrote:
Can't get to get started in this game, unfortunately I have family business to attend to and can't do any analysis until I get back later tonight.

On February 14 2010 12:17 Abenson wrote:
L v Ace...
Flame war between vets o.o

On February 16 2010 09:50 Ace wrote:
My vote was on redtooth. He claimed Medic. Thats why I took it away. Then I thought about his motive for lying at that point in time and it really didn't matter because Ver wasn't here anyway. So me switching my vote back within a few minutes changed nothing. There's no suspicion there.

Maybe you should bother questioning the people that pushed him from Pardoner -> Mayor. Pardoner is more powerful than Mayor anyway.

On February 16 2010 12:36 redtooth wrote:
shoot.. on emp... i wish L had released those PMs earlier but what the fuck he's playing terribly too. let me get a bearing on things before i actually start putting out analysis. until then, i think emp being green shows...

DAY ONE CLUE ANALYSIS IS FUCKING BULLSHIT.

On February 16 2010 12:36 d3_crescentia wrote:

Problem with this is if the declared target is in the same family as those that'll be targeting him - unless they're willing to sacrifice him.

On February 16 2010 12:54 789 wrote:
Malongo, your plan hinges on everyone going along with it and honestly participating. I mean say redtooth goes along with it ... why would a mafia family sacrifice a hit that may be blocked. Or say in the case that redtooth actually is a medic (yeah no, but let's just say) and BOTH mafia families hit you. It makes redtooth look like a lier. In a perfect world it is a good idea ... but it won't work in a practical application.

On February 16 2010 13:03 meeple wrote:


Would we be able to tell if it was a double hit by the way the night post is written up? This is more a question for the mods

On February 16 2010 13:06 Mystlord wrote:
I don't think the plan would work since I highly doubt the mafia would waste a hit like that. Remember that the other mafia family has 3 hits and each of them are going to be aimed at a potential mafia. Why would one mafia family waste a hit so early in the game?

On February 16 2010 13:06 Mystlord wrote:
I don't think the plan would work since I highly doubt the mafia would waste a hit like that. Remember that the other mafia family has 3 hits and each of them are going to be aimed at a potential mafia. Why would one mafia family waste a hit so early in the game?

On February 16 2010 13:09 DoctorHelvetica wrote:


What do you mean by what do we lose?

Since you're discussing the mafia perspective...

On February 16 2010 13:12 789 wrote:


I still don't see why the mafia would be licking their chops to cooperate. If they wanted to get rid of him they could act like townies and get him lynched. Why would they take a path that potentially wastes a hit and could potentially help the town greatly by giving them a trusted person to organize behind. Sure they know who a medic is if they want to target him - but I would think at least one of the BGs is still town aligned and he'd be protected.

If they want to take him out there are other lower risk ways to do it and they wouldn't want to clear him.

On February 16 2010 13:24 Iaaan wrote:


5/6. Redtooth and Malongo are medic/townie, and either 1 mafia hits malongo, or neither mafia do.

On February 16 2010 13:35 789 wrote:


I know the point of the plan isn't to lynch redtooth. My point is why would the mafia agree to this plan when they could attempt a lynch play. Basically .. the mafia has no reason to go along with it.

On February 16 2010 14:14 Ace wrote:
So like I said, top Mafia suspect for now is L.

On February 16 2010 14:18 Ace wrote:
can you give me the revised idea then? I'd like to hear it once so I don't read it and make any mistakes ^_^

On February 16 2010 14:28 Ace wrote:
Ok but what will that do? If you don't get hit that doesn't prove anything about either of you.

On February 16 2010 14:38 Ace wrote:
No. What I'm saying is if you don't get hit then your plan hasn't done anything besides forced Redooth to protect you if he is indeed legit.

On February 17 2010 06:56 redtooth wrote:
eh there seems to be some confusion as to why i roleclaimed medic. yes it ended up being a bad move but it wasn't absolutely impulsive and there was some thought put into it. one of the main reasons is that i didn't want Ver to be voted in no matter what. i've talked about that enough so i'll move on. the second reason is that i was going to die tonight if i wasn't voted in and given elected protection. for some reason a lot of people still suspected me of being mafia so there was a high chance either mafia would take me out. that gets rid of a medic and that is never good for town.
third reason is people wanted Chezinu (roleclaimed DT but unconfirmed) to get into office so he would be protected. if Chezinu gets elected then he would live but there is a chance i would die. if i get into office i would live and Chezinu would live as well because i planned on protecting him.

also, to DTs: please refrain from thoughtlessly rolechecking non-important posters simply because you have a hunch that he is mafia. rolechecks are the only way to form town circles so use them wisely. also as the game progresses and the clues become better the other options (either combination of cluechecking) become stronger and stronger.

On February 17 2010 07:26 redtooth wrote:
haha dude i've been saying i'll protect chezinu ever since i roleclaimed. i even hinted that i was medic by my continuous strings of "DONT WORRY ABOUT CHEZINU" and my PMs to a few specific people claiming the same thing.

and honestly i really wanted to NOT be in office. i've never once ran for office before. but the way things played out it was the best move for town. pf please dont be ridiculous and make up flawed plans.

On February 22 2010 14:03 Ace wrote:
This is a new level of stupidity. Sorry to Amberlight, Vivi57, (not you Rol) for calling you guys morons in the past. This is just new.

On February 22 2010 14:56 citi.zen wrote:


Let me add a "sorry Bill Murray" to that list. This is indeed pretty bad.

On February 24 2010 14:35 johnnyspazz wrote:

its not that it's not allowed, its just that QS will face consequences right? Then again whats stopping someone from saying I will modkill myself only to vote last minute and sneak by another day lol

On February 24 2010 14:22 Fishball wrote:
Just for the record, from now on, keep a close eye on those who tries to create another bandwagon away from the QS vote, or change to vote for another person that has no chance to be lynched. Everything that needs to be said, has already been said.

On February 25 2010 09:24 L wrote:

So you did.

If we have any medics left, I need to have a chats with you :3.

On February 25 2010 10:02 Fishball wrote:


I'm not arguing that if or if not he is Gambino, but this can't be confirmed.



Personally, I never trusted him; Never voted for redtooth, debated johnyspazz (which is now a confirmed mafia) over Scamp.

To be honest, I trust no one unless the person is dead.

On February 25 2010 12:13 L wrote:

What risk?

That i'm going to hoodwink and swindle you all once more because I've made a mistake?

On February 25 2010 12:26 Chezinu wrote:

I heard coffee goes well with chicken.

On February 25 2010 12:30 Chezinu wrote:

Who do you think you are? A detective?

On February 25 2010 12:31 L wrote:


This was actually a rather easy clue, but the coffee mug is a red herring. Amber is a gummybear. His method of attack IS like a wild animal, but the most telling portion is that the jaw was nearly sliced off with a kitchen knife. If any of you have diced something as small as a chicken, you'd know that you need to put quite a lot of force on a knife to cut even a small amount of bone.

I didn't really want to bother saying this until tomorrow, but I guess if we're going to talk about it there's no real issue.

On February 26 2010 16:00 Scamp wrote:
I'd also appreciate it if Sidesprang and Tredmasta would speak up. Especially Sidesprang in order to explain his last vote.

On February 27 2010 07:34 L wrote: responding to xelin
Everything in that post, so far ammounts to, "ive done this and that honest trust me, lols!"
You realize pretty much every post today amounts to either "I'm honest, trust me" or "He's untrustworthy, kill him". There's been almost zero work done besides that.

Pretty standard mafia mudslinging going on here. I was out all day so I'm going to post my team lists early tomorrow after they're complete. When I die and you guys realize how stupid you were to kill me, maybe you can salvage the game using the information I give you.

Also; if there's another legit detective out there, you should probably claim to town asap because a certain someone's credibility rests solidly on the fact that you haven't claimed.

On February 27 2010 08:08 Scamp wrote:
I was starting to think that L and I might be two sides of the same coin, but his continual insistence to doing nothing (at least publicly) has doomed him in my eyes. If he's scumhunting in PMs then someone needs to step up and defend him.

He keeps mentioning me as a solid cluelink, even though there's only one clue that's actually solid toward me and even then he admitted that it's more likely to point toward Chezinu. Continually pointing the finger at me is not scumhunting.

I asked Foolishness and L to defend Chezinu over a day ago. Neither has stepped up to offer anything. So let me ask the seven people who are voting for me: why? What makes me the most likely candidate? Is it because L said that some clues point to me?

I've noted how I've been targeted, SERIOUSLY targeted by both mafia families. That claim simply hasn't been countered. I simply ask: where is the suspicion coming from? I am simply a green townie, and my history/actions should prove that.

On February 27 2010 08:15 Scamp wrote:


I still don't know why you insist that killing me sheds light on Chez. Did Chez check me and say I was anything? No he did not. All you have is one clue that could possibly point to either me or Chez, and that's it. So killing me doesn't exactly shed a great amount of light on him.

I also find it difficult to believe that a DT with 4 checks can't find a mafia in this game.


On the other hand, if a bandwagon starts to go after OhN I'd be in support of that. I'd also support one against Tredmasta and Cynanmachae.

On February 27 2010 08:54 L wrote:

Ver's got a truckton of analysis done on tree.hugger, and his main point is one that becomes stronger every day.

Tree.hugger just got raped in the last game because of inactivity. This game he posts that the town shouldn't be inactive, then GOES AFK FOR FOUR DAYS.

The clues against him aren't perfect, but they never really are. Originally I didn't want to hit tree.hugger because OhNhas a 'tree' as a centerpoint of his profile. That changed recently when I figured out that the following clue (which seems like a gimme to finger shockey off of, given our previous discussions. I thought it would be odd for incog to throw out a blatant clue based directly on what we had fingered shockey for, so I looked through profiles again to see if anything caught my eye.

Here's the profile bit:



Here's the clue:

Links incredibly strongly to:


The reason I haven't really posted this until today was that I was hoping tree.hugger would die so that I'd get clarification on whether or not ohN's clues are tree related or not. If that's so, then this could be shockey instead. The 2 am morning, however, as well as the our DT going to heaven and starting a journey anew seem pretty strong though.


Anyways, I won't really be done getting candidates for every clue section until tomorrow because there are a number I'm still debating about. And Malongo, I know you put some work up, but you're a grand total of one person, and that doesn't really add up to the town as a whole trying to fucking do work. At least Fishball was regularly PMing me and trying to put together ideas and a plan to go forward.

On February 27 2010 09:40 Scamp wrote:
Wow Malongo. Just wow.

I agree strongly that tree.hugger needs to post.

Also who the hell is Tredmasta?

On February 27 2010 09:40 Chezinu wrote:



There are no limitations to the number of times that you may use each ability throughout the course of the game.

Thus the reason to keep me alive as long as possible. Seriously, if the other mafia thought I was mafia they would have killed me. Please, let the other mafia kill me. It will allow us to have another rolecheck. It is illogical to lynch me now.

On February 27 2010 11:04 Chezinu wrote:



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On February 27 2010 14:01 dozko wrote:
I do not understand whats with the sudden vote shifts. Its like everything that has been discussed the previous day gets thrown out of the window in the morning.

People voting for jspazz I can understand, I firmly believe he is mafia due to his earlier voting patterns (+ the fact that he radically changed them after my post was out) and due to the words of his fellow scum. Given that I already wrote loads on that and that his posting pattern is plainly red I dont understand why we are sparing him any longer?

L i can also understand, I mean intentionally or not the fact is he screwed us over and his subsequent posts did not really offer any reparations so to speak. However as I have previously stated I do not think he is red but I can get why people want to get rid of him out of anger and the desire to satisfy their curiosity.

Here's two things I do not understand though. Firstly why are people voting Chez off ? Surely he proved himself by the QS lynch (unless I missed something here), else we'd still be looking at a sumiyoshi family with 3 kp. So why are people suddenly voting for him, surely there are much better candidates? It does not make any sense; people voting for him have no justification in my eyes apart from random selection.

The other person not collecting any votes, which I find surprising, is tree.hugger. I mean I played in the same game as him and his lack of activity this game seems highly suspicious. Plus I thought ver's postmortem (ha) analysis was very convincing.

I think the only clear lynch right now should be jspazz. I would very much appreciate it if people voting for Chezinu could post their reasons, especially my earlier suspect XeliN who I dont want people to lose sight of; and Abenson, whose entire game participation consists of 1 liner posts and yet he is always quick to vote on an uncertain lynch. To me it seems like he might be the puppet of a more experienced mafioso.

On March 05 2010 08:20 Ace wrote:
Sadly I never get the chance to live long enough to try

Imo following your logic is kinda hard to follow, but you somehow arrive at the right conclusion a decent amount of times. So in short, I actually read the stuff you post even if it takes me 20 minutes. ^_^