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On February 17 2010 09:44 meeple wrote: Did I miss where redtooth promised to save Chez? you must not be reading the thread, and don't blame it on my spam. he said it in multiple posts... like 5 if you count his "don't worry about chez" posts from last night. 2 or 3 if you don't count those, and i'm talking about 2 or 3 where he literally said "i'm going to protect chezinu" i'm interested in who the detectives rolechecked, and if any of them turned up green, maybe we can use that person to filter information. | ||
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On February 17 2010 09:58 SugiuraMidori wrote: I need to run to dinner and all.. and I'll return with some analysis, but this.. right here.. screams mafia.. the mafia side you're on was following you and made the mistakes because you were gungho about them being on the other mafia team? Just an idea, I'm not all about thinking you're an idiot, just a misguided spammer ;P Also.. just reading over clues... one looks like it points to me... so either I'm still being a bad clue analyzer (not like I was ever good at it) or.. ;_; Aren't clues supposed to be more discrete and point to a single person, not multiple all the time? Though, I admit, we all did get fooled by the Ace match didn't we.. and look where it got us.. I'll be sticking to behavioral analysis, though I was completely wrong about Zato-1. Maybe actually reading peoples posts (after that first few dozen pages of drivel) is a good idea! On the other hand!!! Ver pointed out both Ace and BC as being Mafia didn't he? He could also be a mafia member, perhaps not on the same team as BM, and maybe there was a double hit on BC because of it? I mean.. he was hit from above AND below. Just my immediate thoughts. And if you're so sick of my lists, Nikoner, I can stop posting them.. even though It was a major help last game I played when I was DT no I'm not one again).... and I had actually nailed most of the Mafia early on, just misguidedly changed them due to what the town was saying. this is the second or third time you've tried to paint me red, and you know why i wasn't killed last night? because i am an idiot townie. quit trying to paint me red, man, it's misguided and a waste of time. i am the most uninformed player in this thread......... im going to go for a bit, but when i come back, i'll attempt to analyze the clues in relation to profiles. | ||
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Shadows move where light should be. Out of darkness, out of mind, and fitting the description of the horseman iaaan - "Black is the absence of light" ohN - "No matter how dark the night, morning always comes, and our journey begins anew." would fit the clues to ace's murder imo.then at the video at the bottom of his page, it looks like he's setting fire to something. gasoline and a match in the clue.... idk. Mystlord - "light of my life, fire of my" has already been covered... but his profile references both light and fire, with his having that person on the rooftop looking down, could possibly be like the killer from the first day.. and then the reference to fire.... even if it IS about a girl... it can still point to him. seems like a stretch to me. this has been my analysis of only ace's murder. | ||
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----------------------------------------- Original Message: i asked "whats our plan of action now, chez?" after the day one murder to which he replied: "I sided with a mafia team" - 2/17 15:49 even if he's joking, this isn't funny. "I am using my abilities how they want me to use them. That why I will live longer!" 2/17/10 15:54 he then goes onto say that he knows who multiple mafia members are through blackmail. With a town lynch coming up, wouldn't it be nice for us to get someone who we know is red for a change? We have lost nothing but a blue and a ton of greens, and if you all keep voting to lynch me we will be losing yet another green. Maybe via threat of lynching, like if we change our votes to Chezinu, we can pressure him into posting what he knows based upon his "rolechecks", whether or not he's lying about being a detective at all can then be analyzed. the timestamp from the Ver post: 2/14 11:13 only for you, faronel. | ||
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On February 18 2010 04:51 LucasWoJ wrote:+ Show Spoiler + Cut it out opz and fishball. If anything, respond to citizen's post We need to continue talking so here is a summary of each player's posts up to page 82 for those who don't want to or cannot spend their time reading everything. This is kinda long, but it's still better than spending a day catching up: Ver + Show Spoiler + - argues that overly discussing clues helps the mafia - talking is good. using clues to start talking is not much good in the first two days. - mayoral candidates need to have a plan [E.N. I don't believe any had one] - accuses BC based on past behavior (mayoral post) -- seems like a legitimate accusation - Bill Murray seems innocent to him - praises L for not doing a half-assed job with clues. - does not want to be mayor because of how much time it would take. - mafia are sitting back and scheming according to Ver - those making real contributions up to that point (he fails to give out names) are innocent. - brings up meeple claiming that he's suspicious. Meeple is largely ignored. - extremely certain that at least Ace or L is mafia (02/15/10 @ 09:14) - one of his posts was a trap. He says the following people seem to have fallen for it: Empyrean, Nikoner, dozko, 789, Midori, and Bloodyc0bbler. All these people changed their behavior after the post, and it's very likely that they read it. - provides his own game plan (mayoral candidates had not done this yet) -- once again, very sound. clearly typed up before hand - comes up with a list of people who have been useless this game - publicly misinterprets BC's actions as "calculated" - brings up meeple again (ignored largely) - comes up with a medic list - comes up with a detective check list - took a hit during the night (he was on the medic list, too) - goes back and summarizes (not analyzes) the dead people's points - creates an "important posts" post Extremely quick analysis Ver has been giving out a lot of hints this game and seems to have taken over the role of teacher for those who have not played the game as much as him. Although his intentions seem clear, he has not yet been right in his accusations, and it's possible that his accusations were meant to waste another mafia family's hits for the night. If Ver does not continue taking hits at night, something's up. His helpfulness throughout the entire game so far, indicates to me, at least, that he isn't working with another group (meaning he's only working with the town). Also, no mafia died at night. I should hope that at least one would have had Ver been on their team. (Nevertheless, Ver could be hoping to use PM information to find the other mafia family. He can actually play as part of the town finding other mafia members.) DoctorHelvetica + Show Spoiler + - agrees that clues speculation helps the mafia. He just states that as his opinion - but we should make clue themes - runs for mayor on the platform that he will almost blindly follow the town (unless it cures him of his blindness through its blatant stupidity) - agrees with ver's big posts about how to play the game in the beginning - suspicious of L using clues (says this is bad by pointing to big names who oppose this method) - points out that Bill Murray's posts have "so many fucking things wrong" with them, and responds to each of them. convinced BM is mafia - makes an argument compilation up to page 24 @ 07:40 - flip flops from BM to empyream to Ace. - spams the thread senselessly by replying to BM's troll attempts - clue links mystlord (February 16 2010 07:24) - suspicious of zona (clue links) (February 16 2010 09:40) Very Quick Analysis DoctorHelvetica is very active for the majority of the game claiming that he's on the internet all day, and when he's not in this thread, he's watching the TSL or some hornet (?) game. He often makes an effort to contribute, but he falls into the clue analysis he claims cannot possibly be helpful (so hypocrite), and he spams the thread. He's indecisive about who he thinks is red: he went from L to Ace/redtooth to BM to mystlord/zona. This is probably because he's impulsive in his posting, and besides the 4-5 very good posts he's made, he treats this thread more like an instant messenger program. MasterDana + Show Spoiler + -runs for mayor because he's a nice guy - accuses 789 of being mafia (clue based) (February 15 2010 16:23) His connections seem very shaky at best (especially because he makes more than just one). - asks numerous self-explanatory questions like "Is this as big a deal as it seems? In previous games, has a Mafia Mayor done a huge amount of damage?" - defends his ignorance by saying he's really ignorant - exaggerates the "aggression" towards him Very Quick Analysis He's been exceedingly suspicious the entire game. He makes a half-assed attempt at clue analysis which just doesn't hold up. He stays silent the entire game asking rather silly questions. If this were not his first game (or so he claims), I would proclaim rather confidently that he's scummy. Johnnyspaz + Show Spoiler + - blames inactivity for the first night on family (after the game begins) - contributes nothing by laughing at how bill murray already got caught in his posting (inaccurate representation, I believe, of what was going on) - ready to change votes - says it's difficult to read long posts - white particles in his book mean dandelions or snow. Analysis Largely useless the entire game. He's one of those people lurking the thread coming out every now and then to say "I agree with X." He seems to be trying to contribute with clue analysis, but he's not doing a very good or convincing job at it at all. citi.zen + Show Spoiler + - runs for office - disagrees with Ace and Ver. Analyzing clues, on balance, helps the town. - makes some clue connections for the following people: BC, Ace, empyrean, amber, fishball, zato, mystlord, cynanmachae - long behavioral post on stuff he's noticed - spams the thread himself with something he thought was amusing (after complaining that it's easy to bury good posts with spam) - suggests that Lucaswoj and ver are working together in the same mafia - shyly suggests that zona is not posting as actively as he should be - a second clue analysis post in which he finds connections from the night before, and links vivi57, xelin, quickstriker, nikkoner, meeple, ohn, mystlord, Phrujbaz. [Note: he uses the same connection johnnyspaz used earlier) Analysis Citi.zen does a lot to help the town. His clue analysis was admittedly weak on some people, and seemingly legitimate on others. He's not afraid to call out Ace, Ver, etc. vivi57 + Show Spoiler + - started late; reads through thread slowly so cannot respond to much. - clue very important - believes Ace and BC to be in the same family with empyrean in there as well (coincidentally, another mafia family thought so as well). - wasted a mafia family's hits in posting that - medics should protect the mafia ver and mafia BC - useless spam Analysis He hasn't posted much, and what he has hurt the town. He's also spamming, so only further anti-town. LucasWoJ + Show Spoiler + Wouldn't be fair to do this myself Xelin + Show Spoiler + He's posted so few times you might as well read what he's said: On February 14 2010 18:24 XeliN wrote: Oh no Bill what hast thou done!! Trying to come up with a plausible explanation for how "other" slipped in there but im drawing blank. Firstly the activity in this game is amazing, expected to wake up with a good few pages to read, did not expect 20+... Not entirely sure on who to vote for atm, going to have to go over the thread without skim reading, but I'm glad Bloody emphasised just how bad 10f's plan was (If elected he said he would lynch someone who was Mafia from a previous game) and can't believe more people didnt bring this up, but as I said have only skimmed so far. On February 17 2010 10:37 XeliN wrote: Ok, I have been exceptionally busy with uni work over the last 2 days and has such havent trusted myself to use the internet (If i do i get no work done simple as that) Apologies for being inactive, I can and will be active from this point on. Have spent the last hour and a half going through the thread and firstly Ace turning green suprised me, simply reading the whole thread in one big chunk and i felt he was contributing little and not defending himself against accusations well (and he is meant to be a veteran player). Bill Murray, there seems to be some kind of idea especially at an earlier stage in the thread that he is clearly "innocent". From reading his posts I get quite the opposite feeling, he has been influential and accusatory, even changing votes last minute although was one of the few people who also changed last minute to give an explanation namely: "I didn't want Red to be pardoner". I would be inclined to consider him Mafia far more than a townie, but this is mostly on impression from going through the thread in one big chunk. Anyway now I'm going to dedicate some time to something I did none of in the last mafia game and try to analyse some clues! On February 17 2010 10:54 XeliN wrote: One thing that immediately strikes me about the Day 2 post is the Fairy Tale connection that seems inherent within it. Remeniscient of the "3 little piggies" or "3 bears" and seems like an underlying structure of the whole post. Analysis He adds nothing important to the discussion, and makes a false promise. He has NOT been active since yesterday, when he claimed he would be. His clue analysis is an observation. He doesn't expand on it at all, so I can't garnish any information from that. Right now, his posts have little content and value. I want to see that activity he promised several hours ago. Amber[Light] + Show Spoiler + - disagreed initially with Ver, but over the course of writing a rebuttal, he agreed with him. - points out that random people are voting BM and says that town should stop with the Ace BS. - makes a very useful post summarizing several key players Analysis He intentionally skews people's opinions (or makes them into extremes, at least) in order to generate some discussion. He certainly accomplishes this. fishball + Show Spoiler + - claims green townie - would lynch abenson first - very few posts at all, yet claims to be reading Analysis Typical fishball. Not enough information to really conclude anything. Very bad for town, and ought to start contributing soon. quickstriker + Show Spoiler + - says he will be back a little later at the start of the game and comes back 8 hours later impressed by the length of the thread - wants a summary of pages 24-40 - comes in the next day, lol, and shouts before asking for a summary of pages 40-81. Rather, he EXPECTS a summary. This guy is extremely amusing. Search all of his posts. It's the most useless crap I've ever seen. He's so lazy that he demands a summary of everything. Very anti-town and ought to start contributing to the town soon. 789 + Show Spoiler + - misses the first day of gameplay (Gregorian calendar; not mafia time), and gives an excuse for missing part of the next - defends himself by saying clues lean more toward Ace and empyrean. Very soft-spoken. - most of his posts are self-evident "fluff posts" - clues are useless because they point to me and that shouldn't be - acknowledges both days that the clues fit him - accuses Zona [IMPORTANT] Analysis He talks often, and although he contributes something, his posts often seem empty. He goes out on a limb in day 2 accusing zona of being the last remaining person left who could fit the clue empyrean and Ace both fit. He is right about his limited activity. He could be green or mafia hoping to eliminate the other mafia family. dozko + Show Spoiler + - disagrees with Ace about clues - believes L to be green for several reasons: (1) clue analysis at beginning = pro town; (2) voting pattern indicates L is innocent - calls out xelin for not posting much Analysis Doesn't post often, but when he does, his posts are well-thought out. He should post more often to be more useful to the town. nikoner + Show Spoiler + - joins up after 28 pages - clues are always right, even if your interpretation of them is wrong. (lololol) - lynching a mafia hastily could potentially have a disastrous effect on the game. It's probably best to let them kill off each other for now, while gently making suggestions based on logic and science as to who they should... dispose of. - mafia running for office - randomly accuses Phrujbaz of being mafia. NO justification given, so of course, no one cares. - distraught that redtooth is pushing for office so hard - advises L not to lynch anyone if that option exists.He's "wary of the possibility that lynching a mafia will lower one family's KP" Analysis His logic makes no sense, and he doesn't contribute anything to the town. It seems he's playing the game for personal pride. Better start contributing something soon. tree-hugger + Show Spoiler + Read his posts! On February 15 2010 13:03 tree.hugger wrote: I have a feeling that way to many of these posts, especially the ones from our veterans are tainted by personal feelings. Which is a little disappointing, because only unbiased, in-depth analysis is what is going to win us the game. And activity of course. I don't think my last stint as mayor would make me a good choice for the post, but I would suggest that the mayor be someone without the massive ego. Analysis Immediately worthy of being lynched. His lack of contribution to the game is absurd. Shockeyy + Show Spoiler + - announces that he read everything but besides just that, he says nothing - spams - agrees that decafchicken is lurking and is GF Analysis Another one with five one-line posts in the thread. His behavior in his posts is very weird. No one's accused him yet. Someone ought to. Do any clues link up to him? Something is very off with him. He's definitely worth another look. meeple + Show Spoiler + - runs for mayor without a real platform - stay impartial - profile the killers in the day posts right away - BC's out-of-character is not enough to lynch him. (defends BC) - defends BM; not convinced he's red. - hunt for mafia; don't rely on mafia crosshits - responds to trolls - claims mid-term season is cutting down on his time in mafia, but he has nearly 100 posts in this thread, and he's just about always in here. He might as well stop responding to trolls and post something more useful. - empyrean is more red than Ace, but Ace, if red, gives us more information - tells us what a mafia would and would not do [this sets off an alarm] Analysis Everything he does strikes me as safe and calculated, so to speak. He's unwilling to take any risks. He lies about inactivity. He's playing like mafia. It's all there. chezinu + Show Spoiler + troll; I'm not going to waste my time scamp + Show Spoiler + - claims to be green. - argues that medics RC'ing at any point is a bad move Analysis Green Zona + Show Spoiler + - town has less impact on the game than mafia. - game is imbalanced against the town - town should point out mafia for the other family to kill at night (but concedes that this can be bad because it might result in a superior mafia family) - defends accusations by saying that being passive this game is the best way to play it from the town's point of view Comments Start playing. Passivity doesn't really help the town much either. Being active always helps, even in this format. L + Show Spoiler + - claims clues blatantly point towards Ace - clues are going to be easy in this game because of the set-up - constantly reminds people not to make empty posts because it will discourage others from reading the thread. - implores that those who do not agree with how he interpretted the clues to post. BC heeds this post. L responds logically to BC's post. - claims empyrean was apathetic [Note: I think he meant indifferent, and not apathetic.] - accuses four people of being in mafia clue-wise "nemy, madnessman, mystlord, phrubaz" - going to post in twelve hours explaining how he reached that conclusion Analysis Seems town-sided, but one cannot overlook how royally he screwed up on the clues first day. He was still willing to listen to and respond to others' interpretation of them though. laaan + Show Spoiler + - potential clue fits: 789, ace, malongo, amber[light], mystlord - spams the thread with "chezinu makes me giggle"s key post: On February 15 2010 12:36 Iaaan wrote: My posts have been a bit lacking of content so far, I'll try to be a bit more insightful. For the town to win, we do not need to kill mafia; the Mafia‘s own KP will be the greatest weapon against the Mafia. What we, the town, needs to do is prepare for the later parts of the game, when our influence on the game really matters. In order to get ready for when our own KP matters, we need information. People have talked about putting together information, by profiling the clues, making circles of people who are connected to each other, and just watching what people post. The other way I can think of getting information is through lynches; if one person being red incriminates another person, it is more useful for the town to lynch them, again with the idea of controlling the balance between the mafia families in the later game. Other than having information, how can we increase our chance of winning? By killing the experienced Mafia. It makes sense to me that the veteran players are taking charge of their Mafia families. Therefore, while killing random Mafia members at this point may not ultimately benefit the town (you may disagree, but it would really just give an early advantage to one of the Mafia families), killing their leader will help the town. So who, with what I’ve said so far, who is the best person to lynch? Ace. Ace. is organizing one of the Mafia families, and Redtooth is his accomplice. The way I have linked them is through Redtooths post for candidacy. + Show Spoiler + On February 15 2010 06:53 redtooth wrote: enough of this. time to get the ball rolling. please prepare for content because... I AM ANNOUNCING MY CANDIDACY FOR MAYOR ![[image loading]](http://i47.tinypic.com/hx9rb9.png) PLATFORM I am running for mayor. Some of you may know that I never run for any position regardless of my role, the reasons being similar to the ones Ver listed. However, I am willing to invest enough energy and effort to lead the town to victory. I have participated in enough mafia games and have developed an adequate understanding of the game. My play so far has demonstrated that I am capable of the high level thinking required for mayor of the town. Also, I am a Decision Science major at Carnegie Mellon. I play mafia for a living. THE OTHER CANDIDATES All of the other veterans running thus far (Ace, BC, L) have too much suspicion surrounding them to be good mayor candidates. Some of the other candidates are either jokes (Chezinu, MasterDana, l10f), or unproven so far in the game (meeple, DrH, citizen). Electing Ver after how the early portion of the elections played out earlier is very very dangerous. I stated earlier that we should not vote for Ver but refrained from explicitly laying out the reasons why. Now that he has outright declared his candidacy, I guess it's time to share my thought process. Quoting an earlier PM I sent to someone: Ver has, knowingly or unknowingly, taken advantage of the opportunity and halfheartedly declared his candidacy. This is the exact position we wanted to avoid. Before I was planning on running for Mayor, I requested that he withdraw his candidacy but I think just explaining the reasons in public should be enough to show that electing him as mayor is unwise. PRE-EMPTIVE DEFENSE Some may be suspicious of me due to my somewhat passionate defense of Ace. As stated before, I have a high degree of respect for Ace and did not want to kill him off due to what I perceived as clue analysis on red herrings. I also don't believe any of the veterans should be killed to "gain interesting insight into how Incognito's clues are going to work" (quoted from [NyC]HoBbes). My late entry into mayoral race shouldn't be regarded with too much suspicion either. Nobody expected the mayor candidates to be caught up in so much shit. I wasn't voted for prior to my announcement so my argument against Ver's candidacy doesn't apply to me. LYNCH CANDIDATE If elected mayor, I plan on lynching Bill Murray. There are obvious reasons (noted by Chezinu in a previous post) why we should be suspicious of him but there is much more to gain from lynching BM. So far he has presented himself as either a bad mafia or an idiot townie. Of course there is a chance that he flips green when mayor lynched and we waste a lynch but we get rid of a player that has a history of being detrimental to the town and isn't too valuable an asset to the town if he is indeed green. However, in the case that he flips red, we are provided with a wealth of information via the list that he posted. So far Bill has yet to post a legitimate defense, choosing instead to make a string of five or so posts that amounts to a desperate strike back at those that accused him. This makes him highly suspicious in my book. I am planning on checking over his behavior in the last game he played but FUTURE PLANS To kill the mafia of course. We have to use our lynches to maximum efficiency and somehow get the DTs to broadcast their information without revealing their identity. Later on in the game, clue analysis should be more abundant than ever before because all players (mafia and town-aligned) benefit from the analysis. If Bill Murray flips red then the focus should immediately shift to the list he posted. The most notable oddity in the list was the absence of Ace despite the mountain of suspicion surrounding him. Please also remember that I was on the list. If anything, it would make sense that either both of us are on the list (a mafia defending a fellow mafia), neither of us are on the list (a townie defending a fellow townie), or Ace is on but I'm not (a mistaken townie risking his neck to defend a mafia). It doesn't make sense that I am on the list but Ace is not (a mafia defending a random townie). Please note that my attempt to lynch Bill Murray isn't out of anger towards him due to my name being on the list. So as of now I would place Ace in the same 'group' as Bill Murray. Though I fought hard to defend Ace thus far, he is far from exonerated and L's clue analysis is as solid as you can possibly get with only Day 1 clues. That means, depending on what color Bill flips, Ace becomes highly suspicious once more. Having said all that I feel that we should keep all the veterans alive as long as possible. They are capable of identifying mafia and (whether its through clue analysis or behavior analysis) call out individuals to lynch. Why is this beneficial for the town? Well as I stated earlier, town can't win if mafia takes out town first but at the same time a mafia family can't win unless they kill off the other mafia family. To identify and call out a mafia member in public would mean either the town or the opposing mafia family can kill that person off. Also, anyone who's been mafia before would know that killing off a veteran mafia member doesn't really get rid of their influence (due to reasons I don't want to state publicly). tl;dr You shouldn't vote for other mayor candidates due to various reasons. Vote for me. I am reasonable, logical, and have basic plans with more in the making. Most importantly, I am innocent. Thank you for your time. The things that make me consider him Mafia are his pre emptive defence, lynch candidate, and his future plans. First off, the preemtive defence. Quite simply, this is him justifying his support for Ace. First Redtooth supports Ace, claiming that the Day 1 clues are always useless. Later he wavers slightly in his support, contradicting himself and admitting that the clues may be useful, but now it looks like he has gone back to supporting Ace. This could be a little ambiguous, but I think that complete/blind trust is suspicious, and maybe Redtooth thinks that aswell. This is also significant, because Redtooths main defence against accusations against him, and people linking him to Ace is that Redtooth claims to mistrust Ace, while refusing to provide a reason. As for lynching Bill Murray in order to determine Ace’s roll, this is just silly. I think most of us can see that Bill Murray was being dumb, but not mafia. By saying that Ace is red if BM is red, when BM is obviously green, Redtooth is creating an arbitrary defence for Ace, as well as wasting a lynch on killing a townie that will not give us any useful information. Redtooth also states that we should keep veterans alive; I can’t say this makes him mafia, it sounds reasonable, but I’ve stated my reasons already why keeping veterans alive is not a good strategy. As for other supporting facts, Ace’s posts arguing with L have not actually refuted any of his points, only deflected them by agreeing with Redtooth that Day 1 clues are useless, when I think it is pretty clear that the clues COULD point to Ace. Other people supporting Ace include Decafchicken, who hasn’t said anything, but just voted for Ace (assuming one of the Mafia families candidates are Redtooth and Ace, Ace is the one with more votes, thus the logical one to vote for), and Abenson hasn’t really added anything, only supported Ace IIRC. These peoples connections aren’t solid, and I’m sure there are other people with similar connections, but I haven’t bothered to find them yet. I haven’t covered anything, but many things have already said if you have read through the thread, but I do want to quote this one post: I agree with many things L has said, the most relevant one being that Ace’s arguments/”trap” are bad, and I support him for saying he may lynch Ace if elected. I was considering voting for citizen, but L is more active, and again I agree with a lot of what he has to say. I can think of a few more reasons that L is the best candidate, but this post is getting pretty long, and my focus is on Ace If anything is unclear/missing, I am happy to talk about that in a later post; I know I haven’t included everything. My last thought, following the theme of getting information for later in the game from out lynch, if Ace is red, it could rule out the other people being accused for the blinding/brightness clues if he flips green, and if he flips red, it gives us a circle of potential Mafia. We win either way. I await your counter arguments; I hope you consider this accusation worthy of a response. Everything else is pretty much useless Analysis I'm not sure what to think of him. He doesn't seem to be pro-town at all times and is just reiterating everything that's already been said, but then he comes out with that. It's possible he's green, and it's possible he's red. I'm tired. I'll continue this in a later post. I'll do you. LucasWoJ: extremely helpful to the town, gathers information, tries to look at things objectively and would rather focus on voting based upon a mixture of behavioral analysis and the clues. seems very level-headed. if he's red-aligned, he is one of the better players not being mentioned as being a good player. my analysis is that he's too helpful to the town to not be town-aligned, and is probably green. | ||
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There can be 2 assumptions: He is town aligned, and is a Veteran or Mad Hatter like he has claimed, and wants to bring people together that can protect the town. I have seen nothing of this so far. He is mafia, and is fishing for Blue Roles so he can eliminate them when or if he needs to... this seemed more likely to me when getting his pm. When Chezinu pmed me, it was more of a joke. I don't really take him seriously, I just wanted to scare him out of hiding and see how he would react. The way he reacted was pretty good, so I don't think he's red right now until something else changes. | ||
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perspective is so relative. It's not like XeliN or Nemy or Mystlord were the only people have have had speculation thrown onto them. Nearly everyone in this thread has. Who can you trust, honestly? Mafia have 9 friends they can trust, 10 enemies to kill, and had 31 people breathing down their necks... I personally have noone to trust. With Ver and Redtooth claiming to be town aligned, they have effectively thrown the heat off of themselves. Perhaps I should take a lesson from their book and claim to be a Mad Hatter, a Medic, or a Veteran. I'm not going to do this, though, because I am not a liar. I am green, and I can say that for the very reason that I won't say I'm blue. It's the same reason that if I was red I wouldn't be saying any of this at all, and would be more like "show me your evidence against me". that being said, unless I am the miller, there is no possible way anyone will be able to come forward and bring evidence up against me of being anything but green. | ||
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Bill Murray
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Lets see here, I'm not claiming anything by this, but lets let me paint people color just for fun: Ver claimed blue Bill Murray I know I'm green. Mystlord DoctorHelvetica he was a lot nicer as a red LOL zona nemy Faronel XeliN Nikoner i think that would be proportionate mathematically. i'm not claiming ANYTHING by this post, just trying to get you all to think about how proportionate i feel the green to blue to red ratio will be. i do not think that zona or nikoner is red, for instance. | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
tree.hugger - abstained zona - not seeing a vote ohN - abstained Abenson - not seeing a vote CynanMachae - abstained tredmasta - abstained l10f - abstained sidesprang - abstained decafchicken - abstained will zona / abenson get modkilled? | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
that makes me suspect zona.. he had no reason to post that unless zona is in the mafia with him | ||
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