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789
Profile Joined October 2009
United States959 Posts
January 24 2010 05:37 GMT
#1115
Yeah I said I thought I remembered a small defense post from him in another of my posts. I'm too lazy to go searching for it as I don't have any idea what page it is on.
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789
Profile Joined October 2009
United States959 Posts
January 24 2010 05:40 GMT
#1116
On January 21 2010 01:55 [NyC]HoBbes wrote:
Wow, I log back on and suddenly I'm top suspect... fun. Only thing I'll say in my defense is that out of Calvin and Hobbes in the cartoon, Hobbes comes off at least 90% of the time as the exact opposite of Calvin's Loud/barbaric. Even though he's the tiger, he's usually the laid-back, philosophical one.


Found it on page 11. Decided to put a little bit of effort into it, and I picked a lucky place to start at page 10. I scanned the next 5 pages or so and that is all he really had to say about it.
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789
Profile Joined October 2009
United States959 Posts
January 24 2010 05:57 GMT
#1121
On January 24 2010 14:44 flamewheel91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2010 14:29 789 wrote:
While I said your behavior might be a little suspicious, I still have kane #1 on my list for what it's worth. Also I agee with your second point, which is why I said it would hurt more if you flipped green.


And if you're accused, 789, by the same token it will seem suspicious if your posting activity rises in order to save your own life. But I thank you for your logical follow through--I am still strongly protesting my lynching by the rest of the bandwagoners out there.


I would expect as much, but I don't think my activity level would rise that much ... I'm already in the top 3 probably. Which leads me to the real reason I am making this post...

Zona, can we get another one of your post count extractions run. I'm still using the one you made back on the high 30's haha.
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789
Profile Joined October 2009
United States959 Posts
January 24 2010 18:10 GMT
#1162
Bill said this as his first post of being weird:
On January 22 2010 03:05 Bill Murray wrote:
to be honest, after speaking with someone in private, i realize now that i hope t_co isn't red (for my own sake). If t_co is red, i hope a medic out there will protect me


On January 23 2010 12:53 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Another PM from Bill Murray, choose to believe it or not.

"honestly, i trust you 3rd of the players (behind citi.zen and someone else), and i trust you more than meeple. i trust him 4th or 5th. that being said, there is no way for me to rolecheck you. if you or meeple are red, i expect you both to be, and the game is already essentially lost. if you're both red, you will probably not kill me, as i trust you all more than the opposition. "

So there was someone else he was talking to in pm besides me and citi.zen it seems. Although I have no idea who. I would guess Zona if I had to since BM asked me what I thought of Zona, but that's not for sure.


Ok where I am going with this is, maybe Bill started acting weird because he had already PM'd people and told them he was a detective. If he told DoctorH, he may have told #1 and #2 on his trust list. We shouldn't ignore the possibility that the mafia figured him out from his odd behavior. We should also consider the possibility that he started acting odd because he thought he had PM'd a mafia his role.

Does anyone know who #2 is?
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789
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United States959 Posts
January 24 2010 18:58 GMT
#1168
Well it seems we have a lot of ways to go... Thoughts?
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789
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United States959 Posts
January 24 2010 21:47 GMT
#1186
Things are starting to get juicy as we near the dead line lol. I really need to make up my mind....
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789
Profile Joined October 2009
United States959 Posts
January 24 2010 22:08 GMT
#1191
On January 25 2010 07:06 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I think it should be noted that the "olympic runner" in the first scenario is describing Blue_Arrow not the mafia who killed him.


At the same time, if blue_arrow ran at near olympic speeds and still wasn't able to get away...
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United States959 Posts
January 24 2010 22:21 GMT
#1195
I'm well aware of the plodded on relentlessly phrase. Plodding doesn't necessarily imply slow - though it can. "3. to work with constant and monotonous perseverance; drudge." Also if blue_arrow could still hear him - he wasn't that far behind. I'm not saying we should lynch flamewheel, I'm just trying to keep the connection from slipping in between the cracks.
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789
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United States959 Posts
January 24 2010 22:52 GMT
#1200
On January 25 2010 07:47 Mystlord wrote:
I honestly don't find any of the connections convincing now. There's just always something that doesn't seem right... I really don't see where the keit connection is coming from :/ Maybe my lack of Sesame Street knowledge makes the apple clue not all that convincing.


I suggest we sit down as a group and watch an episode of sesame street.
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789
Profile Joined October 2009
United States959 Posts
January 25 2010 02:08 GMT
#1214
Crap...
Anyway I just read Zona's post and I think he may be on to something. For instance the second killer from 2 day 2 clues ... with the bucket looking helmet. Say Incognito is writing in the second style Zona proposed. He could have made Ser Aspi a knight persona (Ser is used as a substitute for Sir in some writings ... and sir is a common way to address a knight.) Bucket like helmet could fit a knight. I'm just throwing this out as an example, not suggesting we should lynch Ser Aspi next.
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789
Profile Joined October 2009
United States959 Posts
January 25 2010 02:59 GMT
#1223
I voted for kane because of the link I found between the bucket helmet/sledge hammer and the musical instrument kane. I ended up being wrong. I thought he was low risk since he had only posted once. A non participating green isn't a huge loss - although I wish we would have been able to lynch a mafia. We don't have much time left, we need to get one on day 3.
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Profile Joined October 2009
United States959 Posts
January 25 2010 03:15 GMT
#1227
Tredmasta was as much of a stretch as kane was. I was considering voting for flamewheel, but at the time I voted it wouldn't have mattered.

It is all a moot point if Zona is right about us reading the clues wrong.
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Profile Joined October 2009
United States959 Posts
January 25 2010 03:32 GMT
#1230
I didn't say the flamewheel one was a stretch. But I don't feel like arguing this right now. For some reason nobody else seems to want to talk about Zona's suggestion. I think we should.
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United States959 Posts
January 25 2010 03:54 GMT
#1237
On January 25 2010 12:51 JohannesH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2010 12:09 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On January 25 2010 11:43 Zona wrote:
Man, one thing I really want is for all voters to post why they voted the way they did. If we're going to focus away from clue-based mafia hunting (since it hasn't done us much good so far), this kind of reasoning is the minimum required.

Town members, even those with blue powers, need to post more (and never lie, although it's fine to deny knowledge and post suspicions even when you're not sure), so that mafia can't get by without posting. Then mafia who do post might eventually slip up by posting contradictions or lies that they had to make to keep their identity secret.


Since I've asked for people to explain their votes, I might as well start.

I came to the thread pretty close to the deadline as I was working all afternoon on other things so it was too late to really be influencing outcomes. But since this is something that's a good ploy for mafia members to use, I'll do my best to get in early in the next discussion. I ended up stacking an unnecessary extra vote on kane just to see if the olympic clue really was that straightforward, but it wasn't. I do think we should focus away from clue-based mafia hunting for now.


Why I voted the way I did:

I voted for kane]deth[ initially because of the evidence meeple posted. However, keits clues from Day 1 and his finger pointing behavior/inactivity convinced me he is more likely mafia than kane.

Aggressive finger pointing isnt something a mafia would do too much I think.


It could be a useful tactic for the mafia to send one to do that. If the mafia can cause chaos amongst the townies it makes it much harder for them to work together and take out the mafia.
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789
Profile Joined October 2009
United States959 Posts
January 25 2010 03:58 GMT
#1243
Anyway, at some point this night cycle we're going to need to give the blues advice on how to use their abilities. If the detectives (I hope we have 1 left at least) didn't use the role check to find a person to trust tactic ... they could do that. It would also be nice if they could use their clue checking abilities to find out incognito's clue writing style.
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789
Profile Joined October 2009
United States959 Posts
January 25 2010 04:16 GMT
#1251
On January 25 2010 13:10 Mystlord wrote:
I think at this point we can definitely trust citi.zen. And I'm almost certain that citi.zen is being protected by medics. We might be able to structure a town leadership through him. meeple is probably also trustworthy, I'm just a bit less sure about that.


I say Zona is pretty trustworthy right now.
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789
Profile Joined October 2009
United States959 Posts
January 25 2010 15:06 GMT
#1289
Yeah, while things aren't going good for us; we still have time to get it turned around. We just need to get things figured out in a hurry. Figuring out the clue writing style could be a help, but maybe we should lynch on suspicious behavior next. Unless day 3 clues afford us some sort of revelation.
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789
Profile Joined October 2009
United States959 Posts
January 25 2010 15:07 GMT
#1290
On January 26 2010 00:04 citi.zen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2010 00:00 flamewheel91 wrote:
On January 25 2010 22:20 citi.zen wrote:
A couple of random observations, which will not help anyone at this point: the mafia killed the first three people if you list naes alphabetically, ignoring punctuation marks; we complain about clues, but in the end we did not really use the strongest ones for lynching either night. Hobbes and freewheel are still with us, and t_co and kane turned out to be green.


flamewheel
I agree though: until we get the next set of clues, it would be prudent for us to look based on players' actions and interactions.

Seeing as how I cannot actually dissuade people from logic since clues are there, I invite persons who have suspicions about me to interrogate me further.


I don't see how we are saying the same thing: you are suggesting looking at people's actions instead of clues, I am stating that we tried tha with t_co and kane, and it has not worked out very well.


This is a good point though.
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789
Profile Joined October 2009
United States959 Posts
January 25 2010 16:43 GMT
#1296
On January 26 2010 01:26 meeple wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2010 00:28 JohannesH wrote:
On January 26 2010 00:08 citi.zen wrote:
Just keep in mind that t_co was lynched solely on suspicious behavior. I am not saying it is always the wrong approach, just that it can easily backfire.

Aggressive behaviour shouldnt be considered suspicious most of the time. Thats the stance we should take collectively. Inactivity is whats suspicious.

And in the end, it isnt right now so crucial as who we lynch right now since lets face it - it far more likely to hit a townie at this point. What matters is getting discussion with substance, to pile clues for later.


I would mostly agree with this. Some people would argue that we lynched kane]deth[ off clues, but I think it was mainly because he didn't protest at all.

Regardless, what are people's ideas concerning the double lynches? Should we only use it if we're absolutely sure of two mafia?


I'd have to agree with your kane]deth[ point. I ended up voting for him in the end not because I thought the clues on him were the strongest - but because I thought he was the lowest risk to lose. He was hardly participating in the game at all, and I considered him to be a small loss if he flipped green like he did. Probably not the best of reasons - but it was my reason.

The double lynch is a double edged sword. It can help us get back into the game by clearing out 2 mafia in one day. But it can hurt us badly - if we use 2 lynches and end up with 0 mafia, we're basically doing their job for them. I don't know if we have to be absolutely sure of 2 - but at least a solid conviction. If we double lynch we NEED to get at least 1 mafia with it.
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789
Profile Joined October 2009
United States959 Posts
January 25 2010 16:43 GMT
#1297
And yes, we get 2 double lynches per game.
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