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flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
January 24 2010 22:02 GMT
#1187
I honestly have no clue what my Beijing Man did, since I just googled the picture. Not even sure if he did a running event.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
January 24 2010 23:30 GMT
#1201
Man I wish I could run that fast.
I will just once again plead innocence, since there's still nothing new.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
January 24 2010 23:31 GMT
#1202
Actually, I see Faronel is voting for me. You've been pretty inactive in the main thread, so I'd like to hear your reasons for actually doing so.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
January 25 2010 03:53 GMT
#1236
On January 25 2010 12:15 789 wrote:
Tredmasta was as much of a stretch as kane was. I was considering voting for flamewheel, but at the time I voted it wouldn't have mattered.

It is all a moot point if Zona is right about us reading the clues wrong.


From the general mood, I feel like both tredmasta and I were equally as likely a "stretch."
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flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
January 25 2010 04:11 GMT
#1246
On January 25 2010 12:54 789 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2010 12:51 JohannesH wrote:
On January 25 2010 12:09 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On January 25 2010 11:43 Zona wrote:
Man, one thing I really want is for all voters to post why they voted the way they did. If we're going to focus away from clue-based mafia hunting (since it hasn't done us much good so far), this kind of reasoning is the minimum required.

Town members, even those with blue powers, need to post more (and never lie, although it's fine to deny knowledge and post suspicions even when you're not sure), so that mafia can't get by without posting. Then mafia who do post might eventually slip up by posting contradictions or lies that they had to make to keep their identity secret.


Since I've asked for people to explain their votes, I might as well start.

I came to the thread pretty close to the deadline as I was working all afternoon on other things so it was too late to really be influencing outcomes. But since this is something that's a good ploy for mafia members to use, I'll do my best to get in early in the next discussion. I ended up stacking an unnecessary extra vote on kane just to see if the olympic clue really was that straightforward, but it wasn't. I do think we should focus away from clue-based mafia hunting for now.


Why I voted the way I did:

I voted for kane]deth[ initially because of the evidence meeple posted. However, keits clues from Day 1 and his finger pointing behavior/inactivity convinced me he is more likely mafia than kane.

Aggressive finger pointing isnt something a mafia would do too much I think.


It could be a useful tactic for the mafia to send one to do that. If the mafia can cause chaos amongst the townies it makes it much harder for them to work together and take out the mafia.


I think it's still hard to say exactly what the mafia is doing, considering the options available to them while they are still under the cover of anonymity. However, it is very viable that those pointing fingers could be mafia agents, especially since:

1) Mafia at this point aren't as afraid of losing members, since their KP remains at 3 until they drop to 4 members

and,

2) More town suspicion means less actual fire focused at them.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
January 25 2010 04:11 GMT
#1247
On January 25 2010 12:58 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
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On January 25 2010 12:56 [NyC]HoBbes wrote:
I abstained because I had not made up my mind on the clues quite yet, and then got too caught up in the Saints game to change my vote before the deadline


What a game huh?

Watched it at the local sports bar. Unbelievable.


What was the final score? I heard it was close.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
January 25 2010 04:19 GMT
#1252
On January 25 2010 13:14 Faronel wrote:
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On January 25 2010 08:31 flamewheel91 wrote:
Actually, I see Faronel is voting for me. You've been pretty inactive in the main thread, so I'd like to hear your reasons for actually doing so.

clues clues


And by "clues clues" you mean "one clue."
Two words does not a sufficient response make, bandwagoner.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
January 25 2010 04:36 GMT
#1259
On January 25 2010 13:27 JohannesH wrote:
At the moment we dont have much anything besides incognitos clues which are unreliable to the max. So some fingerpointing is much better than just staying silent and lynching the dude whos got a strange picture on profile.


Interesting point: we do seem to be reading clues wrongly.
Both as a means of defense for myself (since I have not been clearly, and rightly so since logically I could still be a mafia member) and as a new (semi-new) train of thought:

At this time, we are going to be extending networks to those who we feel like we can trust in. Therefore, more information about players can be spread this way. Perhaps, as a few people have stated, it would be more in our interests to watch actions, not clues.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
January 25 2010 04:42 GMT
#1261
On January 25 2010 13:37 ghote wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2010 13:36 flamewheel91 wrote:
On January 25 2010 13:27 JohannesH wrote:
At the moment we dont have much anything besides incognitos clues which are unreliable to the max. So some fingerpointing is much better than just staying silent and lynching the dude whos got a strange picture on profile.


Interesting point: we do seem to be reading clues wrongly.
Both as a means of defense for myself (since I have not been clearly, and rightly so since logically I could still be a mafia member) and as a new (semi-new) train of thought:

At this time, we are going to be extending networks to those who we feel like we can trust in. Therefore, more information about players can be spread this way. Perhaps, as a few people have stated, it would be more in our interests to watch actions, not clues.

your right we should just not look at clues and blindly hang anyone who pisses us of nice idea


This coming from a person who jumps onto wagons with the first accusations? No, we don't discount clues entirely--we use what is given to use, albeit misleading as it seems, and keep that in mind when we are dealing with other people. Clues become exponentially more important as we go on, and perhaps after this next night round we will be able to. But seeing as how we have a day to wait until the next set, we might as well try to analyze people and go back to clues when we have more information.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
January 25 2010 06:38 GMT
#1271
On January 25 2010 15:35 ghote wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2010 13:37 ghote wrote:
On January 25 2010 13:36 flamewheel91 wrote:
On January 25 2010 13:27 JohannesH wrote:
At the moment we dont have much anything besides incognitos clues which are unreliable to the max. So some fingerpointing is much better than just staying silent and lynching the dude whos got a strange picture on profile.


Interesting point: we do seem to be reading clues wrongly.
Both as a means of defense for myself (since I have not been clearly, and rightly so since logically I could still be a mafia member) and as a new (semi-new) train of thought:

At this time, we are going to be extending networks to those who we feel like we can trust in. Therefore, more information about players can be spread this way. Perhaps, as a few people have stated, it would be more in our interests to watch actions, not clues.

your right we should just not look at clues and blindly hang anyone who pisses us of nice idea

omg look at the time i wrote this lol win


Your timing was win, though your message was not.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
January 25 2010 06:39 GMT
#1272
On January 25 2010 15:38 flamewheel91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2010 15:35 ghote wrote:
On January 25 2010 13:37 ghote wrote:
On January 25 2010 13:36 flamewheel91 wrote:
On January 25 2010 13:27 JohannesH wrote:
At the moment we dont have much anything besides incognitos clues which are unreliable to the max. So some fingerpointing is much better than just staying silent and lynching the dude whos got a strange picture on profile.


Interesting point: we do seem to be reading clues wrongly.
Both as a means of defense for myself (since I have not been clearly, and rightly so since logically I could still be a mafia member) and as a new (semi-new) train of thought:

At this time, we are going to be extending networks to those who we feel like we can trust in. Therefore, more information about players can be spread this way. Perhaps, as a few people have stated, it would be more in our interests to watch actions, not clues.

your right we should just not look at clues and blindly hang anyone who pisses us of nice idea

omg look at the time i wrote this lol win


Your timing was win, though your message was not.


On a lighter note:
+1.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
January 25 2010 07:40 GMT
#1275
On January 25 2010 16:23 JohannesH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2010 15:39 flamewheel91 wrote:
On January 25 2010 15:38 flamewheel91 wrote:
On January 25 2010 15:35 ghote wrote:
On January 25 2010 13:37 ghote wrote:
On January 25 2010 13:36 flamewheel91 wrote:
On January 25 2010 13:27 JohannesH wrote:
At the moment we dont have much anything besides incognitos clues which are unreliable to the max. So some fingerpointing is much better than just staying silent and lynching the dude whos got a strange picture on profile.


Interesting point: we do seem to be reading clues wrongly.
Both as a means of defense for myself (since I have not been clearly, and rightly so since logically I could still be a mafia member) and as a new (semi-new) train of thought:

At this time, we are going to be extending networks to those who we feel like we can trust in. Therefore, more information about players can be spread this way. Perhaps, as a few people have stated, it would be more in our interests to watch actions, not clues.

your right we should just not look at clues and blindly hang anyone who pisses us of nice idea

omg look at the time i wrote this lol win


Your timing was win, though your message was not.


On a lighter note:
+1.
Hm I didnt get the point of this message, postcount++? :D


No I like 1337. I feel like I just ended on too bitchy of a note.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
January 25 2010 07:41 GMT
#1276
On January 25 2010 16:22 JohannesH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2010 15:33 ghote wrote:
clues are our best bet on finding the mafia, looking at behavior is fine, but not if it gets in the way of putting the clues together, you cannot lynch somebody just based on their behavior, the clues are the only concrete link we have to people of the mafia, anything else is purely speculation

No. Its just the other way around. Usually this game is played without any clues whatsoever.


Agreed.
XV wasn't, and it was a very exciting read.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
January 25 2010 15:00 GMT
#1286
On January 25 2010 22:20 citi.zen wrote:
A couple of random observations, which will not help anyone at this point: the mafia killed the first three people if you list naes alphabetically, ignoring punctuation marks; we complain about clues, but in the end we did not really use the strongest ones for lynching either night. Hobbes and freewheel are still with us, and t_co and kane turned out to be green.


flamewheel
I agree though: until we get the next set of clues, it would be prudent for us to look based on players' actions and interactions.

Seeing as how I cannot actually dissuade people from logic since clues are there, I invite persons who have suspicions about me to interrogate me further.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
January 25 2010 15:03 GMT
#1287
On January 25 2010 23:53 citi.zen wrote:
BloodyC0bbler's mafia game ain't going any better for the town.


I'd say theirs is worse. Lynching an inactive detective night one, then losing a bodyguard following the night, then the two vigilantes... yeah. 'Snot looking good for them.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
January 25 2010 15:32 GMT
#1293
On January 26 2010 00:04 citi.zen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2010 00:00 flamewheel91 wrote:
On January 25 2010 22:20 citi.zen wrote:
A couple of random observations, which will not help anyone at this point: the mafia killed the first three people if you list naes alphabetically, ignoring punctuation marks; we complain about clues, but in the end we did not really use the strongest ones for lynching either night. Hobbes and freewheel are still with us, and t_co and kane turned out to be green.


flamewheel
I agree though: until we get the next set of clues, it would be prudent for us to look based on players' actions and interactions.

Seeing as how I cannot actually dissuade people from logic since clues are there, I invite persons who have suspicions about me to interrogate me further.


I don't see how we are saying the same thing: you are suggesting looking at people's actions instead of clues, I am stating that we tried tha with t_co and kane, and it has not worked out very well.


Oops, quoted wrong person. My apologies. My thoughts still stand.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
January 25 2010 16:36 GMT
#1295
We have a limited number of double lynches, yes? At the rate we're going, might as well wait until there is solid conviction to do so. The new day's clues may bring light.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
January 25 2010 23:27 GMT
#1316
On January 26 2010 07:19 citi.zen wrote:
I mean, if you read the thread regularly and generally reply promptly, I would think there would be... more.

I don't mean to single you out, keit, hyperbola, free and a few others are in the same boat.


citi.zen... once again, FLAME.
Man if I'm going to be singled out at least it should be done correctly

789's post is interesting though, the part about Skronch...
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
January 26 2010 20:14 GMT
#1394
On January 27 2010 04:48 Ng5 wrote:
Show nested quote +

With that, he launched himself forward at the three town leaders, lifting his fists and taunting them with strange barbaric noises. Incognito was the quickest to react, and ran toward the corner of the room containing the refrigerator opening it to use the door as a shield. Unfortunately, the killer took advantage of the opportunity and kicked Incognito into the refrigerator and slammed the door shut, locking him into the cold. Glancing back, he noticed Kennigit rushing at him with a knife he found in the kitchen drawer. The killer blocked Kennigit's blade with an apple that had had fallen out of the refrigerator and swiftly proceeded to shove the remains of the apple down Kennigit's throat before throwing him out the window.


Mystlord eyem the strongest. Very-very weak link. It takes strength to throw someone out the window. But it doesn't to kick the fridge's door on someone.

keit Again the only link is showing down an apple down the victim's throat. I don't know much for how barbaric Cookie Monster is, but isn't it far-fetched to call him so?

Something not so obvious.

meeple Into the fray my friends, may our feet be swift, our hands be sure, and our necks keep a firm grasp on our heads. ... Swift feet... Just how swift should you be to kick the door on someone right as you see they are ducking behind it. Given that Incognito was the quickest to react. And hands sure? How sure (and quick) should hands be to block a knife with an apple. And also, being struck, blocking with an apple and showing it right down their throat - and then throwing them out of the window. The quote itself also seems something you would say before a charge - a far-fetched relation with taunting, but it's still not much more far-fetched than the previous links.

Another thing. Maybe there's someone linked to a barbaric/tribal shaman? I have the feeling something is still missing about this barbaric person we haven't uncovered yet. Just a feeling.


Third night clue--death by poisonous mist. Mystlord himself says the killer (who takes off his scarf) seems impervious to it. Just something to say.

Okay back to game theory.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
January 27 2010 01:39 GMT
#1462
Holy crap that is a cool post number.
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