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Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
December 20 2013 19:37 GMT
#161
On December 21 2013 04:35 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Ok, that was good Aphrolift play. Thresh flay to cancel Leona E followed by Death Sentence on Lucian.

Aphromoo has been performing far better than I thought he would. For once CLG forcing a player off his main role has resulted in POTENTIAL.
Glorious SEA doto
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
December 20 2013 19:37 GMT
#162
On December 21 2013 04:36 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2013 04:34 Lylat wrote:
On December 21 2013 04:31 wei2coolman wrote:
On December 21 2013 04:30 Lylat wrote:
"Cheese" in LoL...
I've read everything

3 man stacking in botlane bush is pretty fucking cheezy.

I don't know if I'll bother reading your posts anymore, you're either a troll or just an incredibly annoying NA fanboy lol

I would have called it cheesy if CLG did it.

And coming from you one would have taken it serious, but not from Wei2coolman.
Off-season = best season
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
December 20 2013 19:37 GMT
#163
On December 21 2013 04:35 Lylat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2013 04:31 UmberBane wrote:
On December 21 2013 04:30 Lylat wrote:
"Cheese" in LoL...
I've read everything


You should have been around for S2 Worlds when CLG was praising all their cheese for weeks. It was... interesting.

Although I'd say waiting with 3 people in the brush is pretty cheesy. It has a lot of the usual cheese characteristics like being very gimmicky/coin-flippy

Waiting in a bush is cheesy ? So it means that if you don't successfully win the game with this move you'll lose the game ? Or does cheese have another meaning in LoL that I don't know of ?

I don't get why you're being so obtuse.
It's high risk, medium reward.
the only reason i say ATN gets away with this kind of shenanigans, is cuz Nien isn't actually good enough to abuse the fact that kevin was gone for like 20 seconds.
liftlift > tsm
UmberBane
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany5450 Posts
December 20 2013 19:37 GMT
#164
On December 21 2013 04:35 Lylat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2013 04:31 UmberBane wrote:
On December 21 2013 04:30 Lylat wrote:
"Cheese" in LoL...
I've read everything


You should have been around for S2 Worlds when CLG was praising all their cheese for weeks. It was... interesting.

Although I'd say waiting with 3 people in the brush is pretty cheesy. It has a lot of the usual cheese characteristics like being very gimmicky/coin-flippy

Waiting in a bush is cheesy ? So it means that if you don't successfully win the game with this move you'll lose the game ? Or does cheese have another meaning in LoL that I don't know of ?


Well this is pretty difficult to argue about in my opinion. Cheese doesn't always have to be completely all-in in my opinion. It can also be a "coin-flippy" tactic with a high risk/ high reward or something like that, you know what I mean? The definition of cheese doesn't seem to be set in stone.
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
December 20 2013 19:38 GMT
#165
On December 21 2013 04:35 Lylat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2013 04:31 UmberBane wrote:
On December 21 2013 04:30 Lylat wrote:
"Cheese" in LoL...
I've read everything


You should have been around for S2 Worlds when CLG was praising all their cheese for weeks. It was... interesting.

Although I'd say waiting with 3 people in the brush is pretty cheesy. It has a lot of the usual cheese characteristics like being very gimmicky/coin-flippy

Waiting in a bush is cheesy ? So it means that if you don't successfully win the game with this move you'll lose the game ? Or does cheese have another meaning in LoL that I don't know of ?


A jungler waiting in bot brush to get an early kill and sacrificing a buff camp leash and time in the jungle (possibly buffs) potentially loses a lot of map and lane control to the other team, so it's a hyper high risk/high reward play that counts on the other team not knowing what's going on.

So cheese.
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
Swords
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
6038 Posts
December 20 2013 19:38 GMT
#166
On December 21 2013 04:35 Lylat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2013 04:31 UmberBane wrote:
On December 21 2013 04:30 Lylat wrote:
"Cheese" in LoL...
I've read everything


You should have been around for S2 Worlds when CLG was praising all their cheese for weeks. It was... interesting.

Although I'd say waiting with 3 people in the brush is pretty cheesy. It has a lot of the usual cheese characteristics like being very gimmicky/coin-flippy

Waiting in a bush is cheesy ? So it means that if you don't successfully win the game with this move you'll lose the game ? Or does cheese have another meaning in LoL that I don't know of ?


If you want it to match SC2 or BW exactly then there's no such thing as cheese in LoL, except for maybe 5 man mid at the start of the game.

I think it's possible to understand that people here are saying cheese is equivalent to a gimmicky early strategy designed to put you ahead early. Surely you can comprehend that.
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
December 20 2013 19:38 GMT
#167
On December 21 2013 04:35 Lylat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2013 04:31 UmberBane wrote:
On December 21 2013 04:30 Lylat wrote:
"Cheese" in LoL...
I've read everything


You should have been around for S2 Worlds when CLG was praising all their cheese for weeks. It was... interesting.

Although I'd say waiting with 3 people in the brush is pretty cheesy. It has a lot of the usual cheese characteristics like being very gimmicky/coin-flippy

Waiting in a bush is cheesy ? So it means that if you don't successfully win the game with this move you'll lose the game ? Or does cheese have another meaning in LoL that I don't know of ?

Damn that horse is high
Bronze player stuck in platinum
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
December 20 2013 19:38 GMT
#168
On December 21 2013 04:38 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2013 04:35 Lylat wrote:
On December 21 2013 04:31 UmberBane wrote:
On December 21 2013 04:30 Lylat wrote:
"Cheese" in LoL...
I've read everything


You should have been around for S2 Worlds when CLG was praising all their cheese for weeks. It was... interesting.

Although I'd say waiting with 3 people in the brush is pretty cheesy. It has a lot of the usual cheese characteristics like being very gimmicky/coin-flippy

Waiting in a bush is cheesy ? So it means that if you don't successfully win the game with this move you'll lose the game ? Or does cheese have another meaning in LoL that I don't know of ?


A jungler waiting in bot brush to get an early kill and sacrificing a buff camp leash and time in the jungle (possibly buffs) potentially loses a lot of map and lane control to the other team, so it's a hyper high risk/high reward play that counts on the other team not knowing what's going on.

So cheese.

Too bad Mundo is top hue.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-20 19:40:08
December 20 2013 19:39 GMT
#169
On December 21 2013 04:38 Nos- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2013 04:35 Lylat wrote:
On December 21 2013 04:31 UmberBane wrote:
On December 21 2013 04:30 Lylat wrote:
"Cheese" in LoL...
I've read everything


You should have been around for S2 Worlds when CLG was praising all their cheese for weeks. It was... interesting.

Although I'd say waiting with 3 people in the brush is pretty cheesy. It has a lot of the usual cheese characteristics like being very gimmicky/coin-flippy

Waiting in a bush is cheesy ? So it means that if you don't successfully win the game with this move you'll lose the game ? Or does cheese have another meaning in LoL that I don't know of ?

Damn that horse is high

Only in france my friend, only in france.

The second aphro got killed, Nien should have already shoved that lane into turret, and try and deny xp. :/
oh well, good match still.
liftlift > tsm
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12084 Posts
December 20 2013 19:39 GMT
#170
On December 21 2013 04:37 Fusilero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2013 04:35 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Ok, that was good Aphrolift play. Thresh flay to cancel Leona E followed by Death Sentence on Lucian.

Aphromoo has been performing far better than I thought he would. For once CLG forcing a player off his main role has resulted in POTENTIAL.

Second time's the charm.

Also, not sure why Link isn't playing Syndra.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-20 19:40:56
December 20 2013 19:40 GMT
#171
On December 21 2013 04:38 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2013 04:38 AsmodeusXI wrote:
On December 21 2013 04:35 Lylat wrote:
On December 21 2013 04:31 UmberBane wrote:
On December 21 2013 04:30 Lylat wrote:
"Cheese" in LoL...
I've read everything


You should have been around for S2 Worlds when CLG was praising all their cheese for weeks. It was... interesting.

Although I'd say waiting with 3 people in the brush is pretty cheesy. It has a lot of the usual cheese characteristics like being very gimmicky/coin-flippy

Waiting in a bush is cheesy ? So it means that if you don't successfully win the game with this move you'll lose the game ? Or does cheese have another meaning in LoL that I don't know of ?


A jungler waiting in bot brush to get an early kill and sacrificing a buff camp leash and time in the jungle (possibly buffs) potentially loses a lot of map and lane control to the other team, so it's a hyper high risk/high reward play that counts on the other team not knowing what's going on.

So cheese.

Too bad Mundo is top hue.


OKAY THEN FARM, W/E

Actually that could arguably be worse if the top laner gets a huge EXP/farm lead that allows him to win the lane.

Edit: On second thought, I'd still rather have the top laner than the jungler do that play.
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-20 19:41:07
December 20 2013 19:40 GMT
#172
All these pauses >.<, EU why you bring your internet problems here?

On December 21 2013 04:40 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2013 04:38 onlywonderboy wrote:
On December 21 2013 04:38 AsmodeusXI wrote:
On December 21 2013 04:35 Lylat wrote:
On December 21 2013 04:31 UmberBane wrote:
On December 21 2013 04:30 Lylat wrote:
"Cheese" in LoL...
I've read everything


You should have been around for S2 Worlds when CLG was praising all their cheese for weeks. It was... interesting.

Although I'd say waiting with 3 people in the brush is pretty cheesy. It has a lot of the usual cheese characteristics like being very gimmicky/coin-flippy

Waiting in a bush is cheesy ? So it means that if you don't successfully win the game with this move you'll lose the game ? Or does cheese have another meaning in LoL that I don't know of ?


A jungler waiting in bot brush to get an early kill and sacrificing a buff camp leash and time in the jungle (possibly buffs) potentially loses a lot of map and lane control to the other team, so it's a hyper high risk/high reward play that counts on the other team not knowing what's going on.

So cheese.

Too bad Mundo is top hue.


OKAY THEN FARM, W/E

Actually that could arguably be worse if the top laner gets a huge EXP/farm lead that allows him to win the lane.


That's why I said, if Nien was good, that move would have been infinitely more risky.
But, he's not.
liftlift > tsm
beefhamburger
Profile Joined December 2007
United States3962 Posts
December 20 2013 19:40 GMT
#173
Looks like Alternate brought the EU servers with them.
UmberBane
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany5450 Posts
December 20 2013 19:41 GMT
#174
Lol that laugh
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
December 20 2013 19:41 GMT
#175
On December 21 2013 04:40 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2013 04:38 onlywonderboy wrote:
On December 21 2013 04:38 AsmodeusXI wrote:
On December 21 2013 04:35 Lylat wrote:
On December 21 2013 04:31 UmberBane wrote:
On December 21 2013 04:30 Lylat wrote:
"Cheese" in LoL...
I've read everything


You should have been around for S2 Worlds when CLG was praising all their cheese for weeks. It was... interesting.

Although I'd say waiting with 3 people in the brush is pretty cheesy. It has a lot of the usual cheese characteristics like being very gimmicky/coin-flippy

Waiting in a bush is cheesy ? So it means that if you don't successfully win the game with this move you'll lose the game ? Or does cheese have another meaning in LoL that I don't know of ?


A jungler waiting in bot brush to get an early kill and sacrificing a buff camp leash and time in the jungle (possibly buffs) potentially loses a lot of map and lane control to the other team, so it's a hyper high risk/high reward play that counts on the other team not knowing what's going on.

So cheese.

Too bad Mundo is top hue.


OKAY THEN FARM, W/E

Actually that could arguably be worse if the top laner gets a huge EXP/farm lead that allows him to win the lane.

To be fair kev1n had TP anyway but still nien was up to 9 cs by the time kev1n TP'd so it could be argued that nien could snowball the XP advantage if kev1n didn't get the FB XP.
Glorious SEA doto
bokchoi
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Korea (South)9498 Posts
December 20 2013 19:41 GMT
#176
On December 21 2013 04:37 Fusilero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2013 04:35 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Ok, that was good Aphrolift play. Thresh flay to cancel Leona E followed by Death Sentence on Lucian.

Aphromoo has been performing far better than I thought he would. For once CLG forcing a player off his main role has resulted in POTENTIAL.


People seem to forget that Chauster was the ADC for CLG prior to Doublelift, and while Doublelift played ADC he was mainly known for being a support prior to joining CLG...
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
December 20 2013 19:42 GMT
#177
they just simulate eu servers, would be unfair for Eu teams to play on working servers, they dont know how to deal woth that.
UmberBane
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany5450 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-20 19:42:31
December 20 2013 19:42 GMT
#178
Who was the jungler for CLG before that? It was Trick2something right? Or TrickZ...?
Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
December 20 2013 19:42 GMT
#179
Nien already falling behind.
killerdog
Profile Joined February 2010
Denmark6522 Posts
December 20 2013 19:42 GMT
#180
On December 21 2013 04:40 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2013 04:38 onlywonderboy wrote:
On December 21 2013 04:38 AsmodeusXI wrote:
On December 21 2013 04:35 Lylat wrote:
On December 21 2013 04:31 UmberBane wrote:
On December 21 2013 04:30 Lylat wrote:
"Cheese" in LoL...
I've read everything


You should have been around for S2 Worlds when CLG was praising all their cheese for weeks. It was... interesting.

Although I'd say waiting with 3 people in the brush is pretty cheesy. It has a lot of the usual cheese characteristics like being very gimmicky/coin-flippy

Waiting in a bush is cheesy ? So it means that if you don't successfully win the game with this move you'll lose the game ? Or does cheese have another meaning in LoL that I don't know of ?


A jungler waiting in bot brush to get an early kill and sacrificing a buff camp leash and time in the jungle (possibly buffs) potentially loses a lot of map and lane control to the other team, so it's a hyper high risk/high reward play that counts on the other team not knowing what's going on.

So cheese.

Too bad Mundo is top hue.


OKAY THEN FARM, W/E

Actually that could arguably be worse if the top laner gets a huge EXP/farm lead that allows him to win the lane.

Edit: On second thought, I'd still rather have the top laner than the jungler do that play.


Remember he was running TP, so all he lost was 1-2 melee minions, and the ability to back for free for the first few minutes of the game.
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