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On December 23 2013 16:57 Sufficiency wrote:
Finally got to watch C9 vs Fnatics. I have to say I was very impressed with C9.
On the other hand, who is this rekkle guy again? I really don't see why he is better than puszu.
If you had focused your critique on any other member of the team (Yellowstar was a liability at best, Soaz got stomped, Xpeke simply wasn't a factor in the game and Cyanide didn't get any decent plays off either) I'd have understood, but what exactly did Rekkles do wrong?
Frankly the entire fnatic lineup played as if they had 0 practice on the new patch. Their timings and rotations were off, they had no synergy and they didn't have any decent gameplan at all. All in all it was a fitting end for the Battle of the Antlantic (every single game a 2:0 sweep not a single close game to be had :p)
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On December 23 2013 16:57 Sufficiency wrote:
who is this rekkle guy again?
Rekkles had previously been with Fnatic around the IPL5 era and received immense hype around that time. When LCS kicked in he had to leave Fnatic due to not being 17, but now he's old enough and they picked him up again.
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Gratz to NA for winning ! 
Format is a bit silly but tbh I'm glad Riot decided to do those kind of event, I hope they'll do some West vs Asia like EU + NA vs KR + CN that'd be great ! Besides they were a bit unlucky that the whole LD roster left..
C9 played really well they deserve the win but Fnatic .. wow so disappointing ! They already sucked at IEM but they had the 'no practice' excuse, now what's their excuse ? If they keep playing like that they're going for relegation lol
It's quite ironic that ever since Rekkles joined they started sucking (or maybe it's just Season 4 changes )
I'm concerned by Xpeke though, ever since Season 3 WC where he got stomped by Whitez he started slumping, now he's pretty bad compared to what he used to be. Hope he can recover.
Also I don't understand why Soaz doesn't pick OP top champs like Shyv or Mundo, the guy is known for his huge champion pool, he played freaking Blitz top ffs. I know he said that playing champs like Shen is boring but that's an extremely stupid reason (Kevin also said that Mundo is boring but he still played him bc of how op he is)..
Oh and in order to stop all the silly NA vs EU discussion :
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/dVB9WeC.png)
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A super big thank you to the people that were LR-ing the games, I was able to follow them from my phone thanks to you guys
I think the commentating in LoL is generally bad because casters have this rule of "there can never be silent time, you always.have to be talking!", and I really think that is a mistake that leads to nonsensical comentary (like riv, he is good when stuff are going on, but during game slow phases he is horrible to listen to
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On December 23 2013 10:16 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2013 10:14 onlywonderboy wrote:
Shit games. I'm glad Curse made it but I can't say I'm confident with this line-up. It's hard to be a Curse fan.
Yea they got some work to do. Although Quas, Voy and Dom looked good, especially Quas. In the end it is easier being a Curse fan than say a CLG fan all the "Potential" thrown around
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Alex_ich's post about BotA pretty much mirrors my opionion.
What can I say about this trip? I don't understand the whole point of Battle of Atlantics, I like some kind of tournaments and think that if it would be some minitournament it would be much more fun. As it was we just went to US for 1 bo3 and our game didn't mean anything in terms of EU vs US, because we were only getting 2 points and only Fnatic's game was destiny of EU squad.
https://www.facebook.com/AlexIchLoL/posts/524283214346601
BotA was just a cheap surrogate for a real international tournament in the form of rather pointless show matches. Some bone that was thrown us to occupy fans instead of giving us the real deal. How I miss tournaments like IPL5 or IEMs with actually relevant teams. There would be organisations willing to host such tournaments, because there is a lot of demand. Only problem is that LCS teams are not allowed to attend.
I dont understand why Riot supresses international competion like it does nowadays. But it is really upsetting because I love competetive LoL.
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On December 23 2013 21:32 Lylat wrote:It's quite ironic that ever since Rekkles joined they started sucking (or maybe it's just Season 4 changes )
IEM Cologne was played on S3 Patch.
On December 23 2013 21:32 Lylat wrote:
Also I don't understand why Soaz doesn't pick OP top champs like Shyv or Mundo, the guy is known for his huge champion pool, he played freaking Blitz top ffs.
He is actually known for playing anything but fotm picks. Very wide champion pool but he somehow always avoids to play current fotm champions mostly.. All in all their pick and ban phase was very poor in BotA, like they dont care.
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On December 24 2013 03:23 SagaZ wrote:
A super big thank you to the people that were LR-ing the games, I was able to follow them from my phone thanks to you guys
I think the commentating in LoL is generally bad because casters have this rule of "there can never be silent time, you always.have to be talking!", and I really think that is a mistake that leads to nonsensical comentary (like riv, he is good when stuff are going on, but during game slow phases he is horrible to listen to
Agreed on both counts, I was also reading on my phone at work!
It's really interesting when you listen to an NFL cast (or something similar for you europeans) and they only spend maybe half the time talking and the rest is watching the game unfold along with everyone else. It seems a lot more relaxed and professional than each caster jumping in to instantly fill any gaps with the exact same thing they just said 4 minutes ago because there just isn't that much you can talk about if you're talking every second of the game.
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Thanks so much for the LRing!!!!!!! ♥
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On December 24 2013 03:23 SagaZ wrote:
A super big thank you to the people that were LR-ing the games, I was able to follow them from my phone thanks to you guys
I think the commentating in LoL is generally bad because casters have this rule of "there can never be silent time, you always.have to be talking!", and I really think that is a mistake that leads to nonsensical comentary (like riv, he is good when stuff are going on, but during game slow phases he is horrible to listen to
A lot of it feels scripted as well, as if they prepared the jokes before the show. (Analyst desk at worlds actually did this IIRC.) It is hard to look at at times.
That, and I think many of the League casters still lack experience. It probably will get better in the future.
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Puszu >>> Rekkles for fanatic's style. Rekkles is like forg1ven in CW, safe farm, slow strategic game, become huge, hyper carry. Fanatic like tactical gank-heavy midgame and need the adc to participate actively and drasticaly.
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Dunno about that, Rekkles can play those Teamfight oriented champs like Varus, Ashe just as well as Puszu. It's just that currently Lucian, Jinx, Sivir & Cait are arguably the strongest ADs.
The problem that series was more like Soaz, Cyanide & Xpeke being absolute garbage.
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Just watched the games. It's obvious that Fnatic still isn't used to having its ADC with the highest farm/carry priority and xpeke relegated to 2nd position. Rekkles was outplaying Sneaky the entire series, but he was not in any of the deciding midgame fights that set the tempo of the games. That is fine if Fnatic plans to stall for the lategame but they were actually seeking these fights, and half the time doing so without their biggest carry (or when he was out of position).
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On December 25 2013 18:53 sataNik[pG] wrote:
Puszu >>> Rekkles for fanatic's style. Rekkles is like forg1ven in CW, safe farm, slow strategic game, become huge, hyper carry. Fanatic like tactical gank-heavy midgame and need the adc to participate actively and drasticaly.
Wait, when was Puszu ever huge?
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Ahh, yea. I mean, the problem Fnatic had though was that Puzu was like 50 minions behind always, so even when he participated he didn't do that much. Rekkles even plays Varus better, so IDK where the argument lies.
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When top, mid, jungle and even support like to roam and set up for kills, the outcome of the game is hugely determined by the outcome of those plays and not from a farmed adc. In this case appropriate is an adc who can "support" those actions directly by participating or indirectly with an unusual rotation. Puszu was able to do that, and he was fearlessly going ham with the team. Besides, being so behind in farm had a lot to do with him roaming with the team. This missed lane farm isnt totally lost but is usually collected by some other member near the tower.
I have watched closely how CW play, they play a lot for their adc. Rekkles is used in this style but now its not working well with fnatic which are used to having their adc play for them. They either have to chill and avoid risks or Rekkles be pushing and moving instead of freezing.
Btw i saw how Forg1ven plays and he seems to be as good as Rekkles in lane phase, while having the confidence to go deep in teamfights to dps, and dodge/kite the focus on him. Puszu was doing that too. If u dont bait them to attack you and do only safe dps your tanks will die and you will be alive and healthy going to farm some more and look good.
Rekkles is excellent at killing creeps but atm he lacks confidence to kill players.
This has nothing to do with fnatic playing terrible in general. It has a lot to do with the pressure you feel when you get too much hype and players who are equally good or even better than you get little to none.
https://www.facebook.com/Rekkles1/posts/368554996609120
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People need to remember that Puszu played well in one tournament when all of Fnatic were playing incredibly well. He was very average in the Summer split (as were Fnatic themselves). To say that Fnatic being weak here is anything to do with Rekkles is rather uninformed. Fnatic have never given their all in every event. I wouldn't expect to see Fnatic playing incredibly well in an event like this. It seems like only half the teams really prepared for this game (that goes for both regions with teams either massively underestimating their opponents or just being way better).
Fnatic have essentially a whole two splits to get to a good spot as a team before the next major tournament and I expect them to use that time very carefully.
Making statements about Puszu being better than Rekkles don't make any sense right now.
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On December 26 2013 20:42 Flicky wrote:
People need to remember that Puszu played well in one tournament when all of Fnatic were playing incredibly well.
I agree, isn't it somehow really funny that this is the exact same thing people said about Rekkles when they did well at IPL5?
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On December 26 2013 20:45 UmberBane wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2013 20:42 Flicky wrote:
People need to remember that Puszu played well in one tournament when all of Fnatic were playing incredibly well. I agree, isn't it somehow really funny that this is the exact same thing people said about Rekkles when they did well at IPL5?
Those people were always wrong though...
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