EPT[OGN] PandoraTV Champions Winter 2013-14 - Page 99
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Itsmedudeman
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On December 26 2013 16:04 Itsmedudeman wrote: Apparently impact made some bad calls for team fights that game which lead to a comeback (in interview). Still, it was a great performance from SKT otherwise. I don't even really remember how game 2 snowballed, but SKT's 2v1 is the best in the world. They always somehow get a gold lead from the early game in that situation. Their 2v2 lane is just as stupidly dangerous. They could play standard lanes if they wanted, and still come out just as ahead. Only problem is the games would run like 30 minutes instead of like 20, cuz longer laning phase with standard lane setup. lol. | ||
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Slusher
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
I don't know if that plan will work, I do know it worked against most Non-C9 Kassadins in NA (and worked against Peke in EU during the season), and the constant pressure means Kass shouldn't get to power up without losing objectives. I just feel like there needs to be a different strategy than "pick a champ that is slightly better in lane". | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
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Slusher
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UmberBane
Germany5450 Posts
On December 27 2013 05:38 AsnSensation wrote: just ban that cancer champion ^^ KT A ran a pretty disgusting comp with Mundo, Olaf, Alistar, Riven, Ezreal against SKT S in NLB. SKT's Kassadin just seemed completely fucked mid-late game. Although I don't remember the specifics of the game, so maybe they just got outplayed earlier on and it wasn't just due to their comp. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On December 27 2013 05:38 Slusher wrote: well Nidalee is pretty bad in lane pre 6, which is basically the same as Kass so I just don't see that lane as a good option, they selected Fizz but didn't lock it in, I mean SKT looked like the better team by so much I doubt it even mattered if Faker won lane with Kass, but Nid was not ever going to cut it. Nid should still be beating Kass, especially if Nid is running hybrid pen reds. there's no reason for a Kass to be equal pre-6 to a nid. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
Riven isn't a kass counter either. her combo charges E for free and silences really hurt riven | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On December 27 2013 07:13 Slusher wrote: if you start dorans shiled and play smart she cannot damage you Riven isn't a kass counter either. her combo charges E for free and silences really hurt riven Nid doesn't have kill pressure against kass, but she has a much easier time farming than kass, with proper trap placements ands some decent spears, nid should come out ahead. The main problem was we didn't even see pawn try to auto attack harass faker in lane. Gave faker way too much lee way in lane as kass. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35172 Posts
On December 27 2013 08:02 wei2coolman wrote: Nid doesn't have kill pressure against kass, but she has a much easier time farming than kass, with proper trap placements ands some decent spears, nid should come out ahead. The main problem was we didn't even see pawn try to auto attack harass faker in lane. Gave faker way too much lee way in lane as kass. Too scared of not knowing where Bengi was to commit. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On December 27 2013 08:22 Gahlo wrote: Too scared of not knowing where Bengi was too commit. This is probably the case. Welp, add another midlaner broken by skt. | ||
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Slusher
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Gahlo
United States35172 Posts
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Slusher
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On December 27 2013 05:12 cLutZ wrote: I don't know what the changes are going to do to Kass, but teams really should go back to 2v1ing him (and pick like Gragas, Zed, etc for not terrible 2v1ing). Use that 2v1 to dominate the jungle, set Kass and the jungler way behind. And just keep up pressure constantly on the midlane (only rotate to take the outer towers when you have them almost guaranteed). I don't know if that plan will work, I do know it worked against most Non-C9 Kassadins in NA (and worked against Peke in EU during the season), and the constant pressure means Kass shouldn't get to power up without losing objectives. I just feel like there needs to be a different strategy than "pick a champ that is slightly better in lane". I don't remember what game it was, but there was a game during OGN Summer where a team went 2v1 against Faker on Kassadin Mid and he still out farmed the enemy solo laner (they were in the 2v1 too, but they were on a champ that should have been able to farm easier than Kass) | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On December 27 2013 11:01 onlywonderboy wrote: I don't remember what game it was, but there was a game during OGN Summer where a team went 2v1 against Faker on Kassadin Mid and he still out farmed the enemy solo laner (they were in the 2v1 too, but they were on a champ that should have been able to farm easier than Kass) I mean, that is not implausible, but I think I would take the risk of going underfarmed on the champ of my choice to get Kassadin underfarmed. You just need to pick a champ that can be priority #3, like a Gragas, Rumble, Vlad, Kennen, Lissandra. Im not saying its gonna work, but the current plan never does. | ||
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On December 27 2013 11:19 cLutZ wrote: I mean, that is not implausible, but I think I would take the risk of going underfarmed on the champ of my choice to get Kassadin underfarmed. You just need to pick a champ that can be priority #3, like a Gragas, Rumble, Vlad, Kennen, Lissandra. Im not saying its gonna work, but the current plan never does. Oh for sure, I'm just saying Faker beats the odds lol. | ||
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