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Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
December 25 2013 11:53 GMT
#1921
Blue still needs turrets
WriterFollow me @TL_Chexx
skykh
Profile Joined September 2012
3006 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-25 11:57:14
December 25 2013 11:54 GMT
#1922
Baron is free, wtf ??? 4dead+ piglet bot instead they go for turret? It make no sense.
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
December 25 2013 11:54 GMT
#1923
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Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
December 25 2013 12:00 GMT
#1924
On December 25 2013 20:54 krndandaman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 25 2013 20:48 UmberBane wrote:
On December 25 2013 20:47 krndandaman wrote:
trading kill for kill was actually good for faker there. didn't use any summoners and lane was pushed. also ori scales better than lulu. dunno why monte/doa thought it was bad


I guess he could have just forced Pawn out of lane with the same effect but with Faker being able to keep pressuring the tower


riven was there to help. i actually would rather trade kill for kill then just force out of lane.

also does anyone know the skill leveling by faker?
I see so many pros with different skill orders. does he go Q or W?

Most of the times it's Q max, although W max gives you a stronger kill presence.
UmberBane
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany5450 Posts
December 25 2013 12:02 GMT
#1925
Last game was just kinda sad for Samsung
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
December 25 2013 12:03 GMT
#1926
The law of blue:
1. Blue will disappoint
2. If Blue is yet to disappoint they will have a greater disappointment later
Glorious SEA doto
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
December 25 2013 12:03 GMT
#1927
That was a disappointing showing by Blue. Game 2 was kinda cool but 1 and 3 were stomps.
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
December 25 2013 12:04 GMT
#1928
Man, blue just picks whatever the fuck they want I guess.
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
December 25 2013 12:06 GMT
#1929
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bokchoi
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Korea (South)9498 Posts
December 25 2013 12:09 GMT
#1930
On December 25 2013 21:06 krndandaman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 25 2013 21:00 Ryuu314 wrote:
On December 25 2013 20:54 krndandaman wrote:
On December 25 2013 20:48 UmberBane wrote:
On December 25 2013 20:47 krndandaman wrote:
trading kill for kill was actually good for faker there. didn't use any summoners and lane was pushed. also ori scales better than lulu. dunno why monte/doa thought it was bad


I guess he could have just forced Pawn out of lane with the same effect but with Faker being able to keep pressuring the tower


riven was there to help. i actually would rather trade kill for kill then just force out of lane.

also does anyone know the skill leveling by faker?
I see so many pros with different skill orders. does he go Q or W?

Most of the times it's Q max, although W max gives you a stronger kill presence.


hm I just searched up alot of faker vods and all of them have him maxing W.
the first guide on the korean site lolinven says to max Q.
searched up pros on probuild and see bjergsen, froggen, hoon, xpeke, etc. go Q
only pobelter and ocelote going W.

hm... is orianna even figured out yet? surprising to see so many differing skill orders among pros


From what I've seen/heard, sometimes you max Q or W depending on match-up and other times its just preference. Maxing Q lets you re-position your ball faster/better which allows you to harass more while maxing W gives you more burst early on.
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
December 25 2013 12:11 GMT
#1931
W is more burst so not surprising that faker prefers that. Honestly, it's up in the air from my experience. I actually don't really know why q is the norm.
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
December 25 2013 12:11 GMT
#1932
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Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-25 12:14:39
December 25 2013 12:12 GMT
#1933
On December 25 2013 21:06 krndandaman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 25 2013 21:00 Ryuu314 wrote:
On December 25 2013 20:54 krndandaman wrote:
On December 25 2013 20:48 UmberBane wrote:
On December 25 2013 20:47 krndandaman wrote:
trading kill for kill was actually good for faker there. didn't use any summoners and lane was pushed. also ori scales better than lulu. dunno why monte/doa thought it was bad


I guess he could have just forced Pawn out of lane with the same effect but with Faker being able to keep pressuring the tower


riven was there to help. i actually would rather trade kill for kill then just force out of lane.

also does anyone know the skill leveling by faker?
I see so many pros with different skill orders. does he go Q or W?

Most of the times it's Q max, although W max gives you a stronger kill presence.


hm I just searched up alot of faker vods and all of them have him maxing W.
the first guide on the korean site lolinven says to max Q.
searched up pros on probuild and see bjergsen, froggen, hoon, xpeke, etc. go Q
only pobelter and ocelote going W.

hm... is orianna even figured out yet? surprising to see so many differing skill orders among pros

W is good if you're better than your opponent. Higher burst damage and stronger lane bullying if you make every Q placement count.

Q max gives stronger zoning, but weaker burst.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
bokchoi
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Korea (South)9498 Posts
December 25 2013 12:19 GMT
#1934
On December 25 2013 21:03 Fusilero wrote:
The law of blue:
1. Blue will disappoint
2. If Blue is yet to disappoint they will have a greater disappointment later


Blue just got way too over hyped for doing well in WCG qualifiers.
UmberBane
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany5450 Posts
December 25 2013 12:25 GMT
#1935
Rooting for the Bullets now so we can have another sick rematch
Xenocide_Knight
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Korea (South)2625 Posts
December 25 2013 12:35 GMT
#1936
Man, has SKT not dropped a game yet? Why are they so gooood
Shine[Kal] #1 fan
justiceknight
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Singapore5741 Posts
December 25 2013 14:15 GMT
#1937
On December 25 2013 21:35 Xenocide_Knight wrote:
Man, has SKT not dropped a game yet? Why are they so gooood


dont get ur hope so high, wait till they get 3rd place and follow TPA footstep.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
December 25 2013 16:17 GMT
#1938
they've adapted to s4 vision changes the most.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9167 Posts
December 25 2013 17:16 GMT
#1939
On December 25 2013 21:03 Fusilero wrote:
The law of blue:
1. Blue will disappoint
2. If Blue is yet to disappoint they will have a greater disappointment later

Blue vs KTA is gonna be interesting in NLB, they'd both lose if it were possible
UmberBane
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany5450 Posts
December 25 2013 17:17 GMT
#1940
On December 26 2013 02:16 Dan HH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 25 2013 21:03 Fusilero wrote:
The law of blue:
1. Blue will disappoint
2. If Blue is yet to disappoint they will have a greater disappointment later

Blue vs KTA is gonna be interesting in NLB, they'd both lose if it were possible


KTA will lose because they come off a 4-0 streak against 2 Champions teams, so they have some hopes behind them now.
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