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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
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I_Love_Bacon
United States5765 Posts
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koreasilver
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Nickwu's build on jungle Aatrox is way worse. | ||
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I_Love_Bacon
United States5765 Posts
On November 20 2013 12:52 koreasilver wrote: I don't see what's wrong with the dshield? The cloth armor makes no sense but I don't see exactly what's so wrong with a dshield when the passive is still going to be in use against Poppy. It only makes sense to me if you plan on playing passively against the Poppy... but I don't know why you ever would. Her weakness is her terrible laning phase so playing passively with the dshield just seems like you're playing right into her hands. | ||
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koreasilver
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I_Love_Bacon
United States5765 Posts
On November 20 2013 13:03 koreasilver wrote: Starting with dshield doesn't mean that you're going to play passively. You can play very, very aggressive with dshield. The passive, the health regen, and the potion allows you to trade and sustain through it. It's safe and flexible as an opening item. Like what else would you start with on Renekton? Dblade is a risky and red-elixer is even riskier. Rejuv-pots-ward could work, but why would you over dshield in a Renekton vs Poppy lane? You're not going to say that the standard Renekton sunfire/sv build means you're going to play "defensive". I missed the first 10 minutes of the game so I dunno how exactly it is that Poppy destroyed Renekton so hard in lane but dshield was probably not a part of the problem. I'd open either some weird concoction w/ a ward so I could shove her under turret hard or dblade. Your goal should be continual harassment and damage on the poppy so she is forced to burn her flask at an uncomfortable rate. Make her miss cs or also spend mana to do so. The fact that without any jungle intervention (to my recollection) after the first few minutes poppy was pulling well ahead in cs is just something that should never happen. | ||
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suicideyear
Ivory Coast3016 Posts
edit: he died again | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
On November 20 2013 13:28 I_Love_Bacon wrote: I'd open either some weird concoction w/ a ward so I could shove her under turret hard or dblade. Your goal should be continual harassment and damage on the poppy so she is forced to burn her flask at an uncomfortable rate. Make her miss cs or also spend mana to do so. The fact that without any jungle intervention (to my recollection) after the first few minutes poppy was pulling well ahead in cs is just something that should never happen. Renekton's base damages are so high that you really can harass continually just with arpen marks and ad quints. Dshield doesn't stop you from doing that in pretty much any single lane. Renekton is one of my most played champs and so I have a lot of personal experience with this. Again, I missed the first 10 minutes so I dunno what happened in game, but dshield doesn't stop you from being aggressive at all. If anything, dshield allows you to be more aggressive than dblade because you are able to get out of tricky situations better and recover from fuckups. The passive from dshield gives you more sustain than dblade too, and this is a lot more pronounced on champs like Renekton that aren't auto reliant. | ||
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suicideyear
Ivory Coast3016 Posts
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Amethyst21
Canada7032 Posts
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I_Love_Bacon
United States5765 Posts
On November 20 2013 13:41 koreasilver wrote: Renekton's base damages are so high that you really can harass continually just with arpen marks and ad quints. Dshield doesn't stop you from doing that in pretty much any single lane. Renekton is one of my most played champs and so I have a lot of personal experience with this. Again, I missed the first 10 minutes so I dunno what happened in game, but dshield doesn't stop you from being aggressive at all. If anything, dshield allows you to be more aggressive than dblade because you are able to get out of tricky situations better and recover from fuckups. The passive from dshield gives you more sustain than dblade too, and this is a lot more pronounced on champs like Renekton that aren't auto reliant. Renekton has been my best champ for around a year. Congrats on enjoying a good champion. Your argument seems more focused on dshield as a broad starter than against poppy. Poppy is a unique laner and opponent. In most cases I have no qualms about starting dshield w/ pots as it is viable against most opponents. However, here it doesn't serve you as well rejuv/pot/ward. Poppy can be a lane threat early in some cases but going flask means it's virtually non-existent kill potential unless you take a crazy amount of excess damage. You want the ward to shove into her non-stop and force her to spend mana cs'ing where poppy doesn't excel under the turret because she's still easy to harass when she tries. Ultimately, however, this particular game had more to do with Bee being straight up outplayed hard enough that his item choice never would've made a difference. | ||
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koreasilver
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On November 21 2013 11:27 Slusher wrote: if Coast does not requalify for the LCS at this point I'm going to be heart broken. Anything else than them qualifying is just unimaginable. NACL shows again how huge the skill differences are between mid-tier LCS and most challenger teams. In a way it is suprising given that these players meet each other daily in soloQ. | ||
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sung_moon
United States10110 Posts
On November 21 2013 12:10 Redox wrote: Anything else is just unimaginable. NACL shows again how huge the skill differences are between mid-tier LCS and most challenger teams. In a way it is suprising given that these players meet each other daily in soloQ. Whoops whoops sorry wrong thread. | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12084 Posts
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Live2Win
United States6657 Posts
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Lord Tolkien
United States12084 Posts
On November 21 2013 14:06 Live2Win wrote: damn that was a good game The mashme yolo flash still has me in tears. Playmaking attempt failed. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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Nemireck
Canada1875 Posts
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