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Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
November 19 2013 03:49 GMT
#61
they must just not have a jungle sub.
Carrilord has arrived.
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
November 19 2013 03:54 GMT
#62
This NiD vs CrsA game is quite entertaining. :D

Best Leblanc mirror juke I have seen in along time.
Off-season = best season
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
November 19 2013 04:08 GMT
#63
this game is pretty lulz
Carrilord has arrived.
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
November 19 2013 04:12 GMT
#64
75 kills in 33 minutes. :D :D :D

Is this some kind of record?
Off-season = best season
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-19 04:16:34
November 19 2013 04:15 GMT
#65
Innox just got d-d-d-deleted
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Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
November 19 2013 04:21 GMT
#66
On November 19 2013 13:12 Redox wrote:
75 kills in 33 minutes. :D :D :D

Is this some kind of record?


they were inspired by Jin Air vs. Xenics apparently
Carrilord has arrived.
Schmieds
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States312 Posts
November 19 2013 04:27 GMT
#67
On November 19 2013 13:15 xes wrote:
Innox just got d-d-d-deleted


so was that a bug or just a coincidence where all the damage was done in like one frame?
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ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
November 19 2013 04:42 GMT
#68
On November 19 2013 13:27 Schmieds wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2013 13:15 xes wrote:
Innox just got d-d-d-deleted


so was that a bug or just a coincidence where all the damage was done in like one frame?


Yeah, there's a bug where Syndra deals double damage in an E-Q combo.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
November 20 2013 03:42 GMT
#69
bee sin = Nathaniel Bee I assume?
Carrilord has arrived.
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
November 20 2013 03:46 GMT
#70
no, nathaniel bee =/= bee sin
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
November 20 2013 03:47 GMT
#71
Seriously, my mind is melting. Renek starts dshield against a poppy and on his first back gets a cloth armor. I admit that I haven't played more than just a few arams in the past couple of months but I can not imagine the nerfs that would've had to happen for that to make sense to me.
" i havent been playin sc2 but i woke up w/ a boner and i really had to pee... and my crisis management and micro was really something to behold. it inspired me to play some games today" -Liquid'Tyler
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-20 03:54:14
November 20 2013 03:52 GMT
#72
I don't see what's wrong with the dshield? The cloth armor makes no sense but I don't see exactly what's so wrong with a dshield when the passive is still going to be in use against Poppy.

Nickwu's build on jungle Aatrox is way worse.
I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
November 20 2013 03:55 GMT
#73
On November 20 2013 12:52 koreasilver wrote:
I don't see what's wrong with the dshield? The cloth armor makes no sense but I don't see exactly what's so wrong with a dshield when the passive is still going to be in use against Poppy.


It only makes sense to me if you plan on playing passively against the Poppy... but I don't know why you ever would. Her weakness is her terrible laning phase so playing passively with the dshield just seems like you're playing right into her hands.
" i havent been playin sc2 but i woke up w/ a boner and i really had to pee... and my crisis management and micro was really something to behold. it inspired me to play some games today" -Liquid'Tyler
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-20 04:19:40
November 20 2013 04:03 GMT
#74
Starting with dshield doesn't mean that you're going to play passively. You can play very, very aggressive with dshield. The passive, the health regen, and the potion allows you to trade and sustain through it. It's safe and flexible as an opening item. Like what else would you start with on Renekton? Dblade is a risky and red-elixer is even riskier. Rejuv-pots-ward could work, but why would you over dshield in a Renekton vs Poppy lane? You're not going to say that the standard Renekton sunfire/sv build means you're going to play "defensive". I missed the first 10 minutes of the game so I dunno how exactly it is that Poppy destroyed Renekton so hard in lane but dshield was probably not a part of the problem.
I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
November 20 2013 04:28 GMT
#75
On November 20 2013 13:03 koreasilver wrote:
Starting with dshield doesn't mean that you're going to play passively. You can play very, very aggressive with dshield. The passive, the health regen, and the potion allows you to trade and sustain through it. It's safe and flexible as an opening item. Like what else would you start with on Renekton? Dblade is a risky and red-elixer is even riskier. Rejuv-pots-ward could work, but why would you over dshield in a Renekton vs Poppy lane? You're not going to say that the standard Renekton sunfire/sv build means you're going to play "defensive". I missed the first 10 minutes of the game so I dunno how exactly it is that Poppy destroyed Renekton so hard in lane but dshield was probably not a part of the problem.


I'd open either some weird concoction w/ a ward so I could shove her under turret hard or dblade. Your goal should be continual harassment and damage on the poppy so she is forced to burn her flask at an uncomfortable rate. Make her miss cs or also spend mana to do so. The fact that without any jungle intervention (to my recollection) after the first few minutes poppy was pulling well ahead in cs is just something that should never happen.
" i havent been playin sc2 but i woke up w/ a boner and i really had to pee... and my crisis management and micro was really something to behold. it inspired me to play some games today" -Liquid'Tyler
suicideyear
Profile Joined December 2012
Ivory Coast3016 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-20 04:38:29
November 20 2013 04:33 GMT
#76
bless cpt. ziploc's soul

edit: he died again
)))____◎◎◎◎█████
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
November 20 2013 04:41 GMT
#77
On November 20 2013 13:28 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2013 13:03 koreasilver wrote:
Starting with dshield doesn't mean that you're going to play passively. You can play very, very aggressive with dshield. The passive, the health regen, and the potion allows you to trade and sustain through it. It's safe and flexible as an opening item. Like what else would you start with on Renekton? Dblade is a risky and red-elixer is even riskier. Rejuv-pots-ward could work, but why would you over dshield in a Renekton vs Poppy lane? You're not going to say that the standard Renekton sunfire/sv build means you're going to play "defensive". I missed the first 10 minutes of the game so I dunno how exactly it is that Poppy destroyed Renekton so hard in lane but dshield was probably not a part of the problem.


I'd open either some weird concoction w/ a ward so I could shove her under turret hard or dblade. Your goal should be continual harassment and damage on the poppy so she is forced to burn her flask at an uncomfortable rate. Make her miss cs or also spend mana to do so. The fact that without any jungle intervention (to my recollection) after the first few minutes poppy was pulling well ahead in cs is just something that should never happen.

Renekton's base damages are so high that you really can harass continually just with arpen marks and ad quints. Dshield doesn't stop you from doing that in pretty much any single lane. Renekton is one of my most played champs and so I have a lot of personal experience with this. Again, I missed the first 10 minutes so I dunno what happened in game, but dshield doesn't stop you from being aggressive at all. If anything, dshield allows you to be more aggressive than dblade because you are able to get out of tricky situations better and recover from fuckups. The passive from dshield gives you more sustain than dblade too, and this is a lot more pronounced on champs like Renekton that aren't auto reliant.
suicideyear
Profile Joined December 2012
Ivory Coast3016 Posts
November 20 2013 04:44 GMT
#78
[All] iDream (Renekton): gg noob mid and jungle keep feeding in my lane
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Amethyst21
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada7032 Posts
November 20 2013 05:47 GMT
#79
Why iDream keeps going this brusier nidalee build when AP Nidalee is amazingly OP is beyond me.
/On the C9 Hype Train/@DatFirefly
I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
November 20 2013 06:17 GMT
#80
On November 20 2013 13:41 koreasilver wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2013 13:28 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
On November 20 2013 13:03 koreasilver wrote:
Starting with dshield doesn't mean that you're going to play passively. You can play very, very aggressive with dshield. The passive, the health regen, and the potion allows you to trade and sustain through it. It's safe and flexible as an opening item. Like what else would you start with on Renekton? Dblade is a risky and red-elixer is even riskier. Rejuv-pots-ward could work, but why would you over dshield in a Renekton vs Poppy lane? You're not going to say that the standard Renekton sunfire/sv build means you're going to play "defensive". I missed the first 10 minutes of the game so I dunno how exactly it is that Poppy destroyed Renekton so hard in lane but dshield was probably not a part of the problem.


I'd open either some weird concoction w/ a ward so I could shove her under turret hard or dblade. Your goal should be continual harassment and damage on the poppy so she is forced to burn her flask at an uncomfortable rate. Make her miss cs or also spend mana to do so. The fact that without any jungle intervention (to my recollection) after the first few minutes poppy was pulling well ahead in cs is just something that should never happen.

Renekton's base damages are so high that you really can harass continually just with arpen marks and ad quints. Dshield doesn't stop you from doing that in pretty much any single lane. Renekton is one of my most played champs and so I have a lot of personal experience with this. Again, I missed the first 10 minutes so I dunno what happened in game, but dshield doesn't stop you from being aggressive at all. If anything, dshield allows you to be more aggressive than dblade because you are able to get out of tricky situations better and recover from fuckups. The passive from dshield gives you more sustain than dblade too, and this is a lot more pronounced on champs like Renekton that aren't auto reliant.


Renekton has been my best champ for around a year. Congrats on enjoying a good champion.

Your argument seems more focused on dshield as a broad starter than against poppy. Poppy is a unique laner and opponent. In most cases I have no qualms about starting dshield w/ pots as it is viable against most opponents. However, here it doesn't serve you as well rejuv/pot/ward. Poppy can be a lane threat early in some cases but going flask means it's virtually non-existent kill potential unless you take a crazy amount of excess damage. You want the ward to shove into her non-stop and force her to spend mana cs'ing where poppy doesn't excel under the turret because she's still easy to harass when she tries.

Ultimately, however, this particular game had more to do with Bee being straight up outplayed hard enough that his item choice never would've made a difference.
" i havent been playin sc2 but i woke up w/ a boner and i really had to pee... and my crisis management and micro was really something to behold. it inspired me to play some games today" -Liquid'Tyler
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