EPTMandu might be inconsistent but so is Tabe and Tabe's peak has been worse than Mandu's for this tourney.
I'm just waiting for Royal to pull out mid lane AP Shaco
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Zess
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
Mandu might be inconsistent but so is Tabe and Tabe's peak has been worse than Mandu's for this tourney. I'm just waiting for Royal to pull out mid lane AP Shaco | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
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czylu
477 Posts
On September 29 2013 18:14 UmberBane wrote: Well, Koreans are the best in general as far as eSports goes if they seriously care about a game, that's a widely accepted fact.  Also Royal stated in every interview so far that SKT has completely been stomping them in the scrims they had for Ro8 and Ro4. There are many reasons why SKT are the favourites and it's definitely not only the old "SC hype" that carried over.Royal has a fair shot of course, but you shouldn't be surprised that many people would put their money on SKT. you would only have that perception if you played starcraft and only starcraft. Koreans may have dominated SC for about 10 years(way longer then the rest of the world cared), but china had dominated DOTA and WC3 during that time, and unlike SC which was largely unaccessible to foreigners outside of korea, china embraced the foreign community where non-chinese players/teams could shine and star. Edit: and let's not forget the CS circuit, which was dominated by EU for a time. Or JP w/ fighting games. the US is definitely the best @ Madden. | ||
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Navi
5286 Posts
#koreadominatekorearipoffgamesGG #USA#1MADDENUSA | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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UmberBane
Germany5450 Posts
On October 01 2013 13:38 czylu wrote: you would only have that perception if you played starcraft and only starcraft. Koreans may have dominated SC for about 10 years(way longer then the rest of the world cared), but china had dominated DOTA and WC3 during that time, and unlike SC which was largely unaccessible to foreigners outside of korea, china embraced the foreign community where non-chinese players/teams could shine and star. Edit: and let's not forget the CS circuit, which was dominated by EU for a time. Or JP w/ fighting games. the US is definitely the best @ Madden. It's not even my opinion, and your assumptions that only people who "played starcraft and only starcraft" could come to this conclusion is quite ridiculous. Recently Thorin grilled 2GD where they discussed this topic and both came to this conclusion. Those are two people who are (in my opinion) very knowledgeable, and Thorin is often called the "esports historian". Their argumentation was simply that Korea never gave too much of a damn about these other games, but could have been the best in them, even CS. Given their background I'm sure you will have to agree that those are not people who "played starcraft and only starcraft". I myself am in no position to comment on all of these scenes, but those people I mentioned definitely are. It's still an opinion of course, nothing empirical, because that's impossible, so if you disagree that's fine. I simply put a lot of weight into their opinions, and you might not.  | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
Scandis op | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
On October 01 2013 17:32 AsnSensation wrote: I full embrace my korean overlords but no way they would have dominated cs Scandis op I think CS(and similar shooters) would be very hard for korea to dominate in. 1. You can get very, very fucking good at the game through pubs, even if it's just 12v12 de_dust or office, and because of this, talent isn't that hard to find either. A lot of servers will have a couple really good people who play for several hours at a time, and they will top the charts round after round. Maybe a third of them would have the right attitude and motivation to join a competitive team, but the talent is there. 2. So much of the game is experience, reaction time, and instincts. Only experience can be trained/learned. Back in my CS days I wasn't anywhere close to good(I would occasionally top charts, but for the most part I sat around 1.5-2.0kd). You can play like god on occasion, but to do it round after round is something that is very, very difficult to do. | ||
Fionn
United States23455 Posts
Whitez played the LPL MVP in the Ro8, entered an underdog, and won. Whitez played the EU LCS MVP in the Ro4, entered as an underdog, and won. Whitez played the OGN MVP in the Grand Finals, entered as an underdog, and ___. He might be too reckless, crazy, whatever, but he has beaten two MVP's in a row and dominated xPeke in lane last round. If he beat Faker in the Grand Finals, that would be pretty incredible. Would have slayed the three mid MVP's back-to-back-to-back. All he would have to do next is change to jungle and then kill Meteos to become the MVP Slayer. | ||
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Shiznick
United States2200 Posts
On October 01 2013 17:51 Fionn wrote: Fun storyline. Whitez played the LPL MVP in the Ro8, entered an underdog, and won. Whitez played the EU LCS MVP in the Ro4, entered as an underdog, and won. Whitez played the OGN MVP in the Grand Finals, entered as an underdog, and ___. He might be too reckless, crazy, whatever, but he has beaten two MVP's in a row and dominated xPeke in lane last round. If he beat Faker in the Grand Finals, that would be pretty incredible. Would have slayed the three mid MVP's back-to-back-to-back. All he would have to do next is change to jungle and then kill Meteos to become the MVP Slayer. he'd have to go back in time, and play ozone to become the MVP slayer. | ||
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red_
United States8474 Posts
On October 01 2013 17:51 Fionn wrote: Fun storyline. Whitez played the LPL MVP in the Ro8, entered an underdog, and won. Whitez played the EU LCS MVP in the Ro4, entered as an underdog, and won. Whitez played the OGN MVP in the Grand Finals, entered as an underdog, and ___. He might be too reckless, crazy, whatever, but he has beaten two MVP's in a row and dominated xPeke in lane last round. If he beat Faker in the Grand Finals, that would be pretty incredible. Would have slayed the three mid MVP's back-to-back-to-back. All he would have to do next is change to jungle and then kill Meteos to become the MVP Slayer. I mean it looks good on paper like that, but Cool had a fine series, and Game 1 aside in the Fnatic series, Wh1t3zZ was definitely not the centerpiece to victory. I'd say I don't mean to discredit him, he's in the finals, but I guess in a way I do. His Kayle play was straight up awful, his team is beating the MVP's, not him. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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PaleMan
Russian Federation1953 Posts
but SKT has his joker - Faker so basically the question is could Faker carry SKT to victory | ||
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Goragoth
New Zealand1065 Posts
On October 01 2013 16:57 UmberBane wrote: It's not even my opinion, and your assumptions that only people who "played starcraft and only starcraft" could come to this conclusion is quite ridiculous. Recently Thorin grilled 2GD where they discussed this topic and both came to this conclusion. Those are two people who are (in my opinion) very knowledgeable, and Thorin is often called the "esports historian". Their argumentation was simply that Korea never gave too much of a damn about these other games, but could have been the best in them, even CS. Given their background I'm sure you will have to agree that those are not people who "played starcraft and only starcraft". I myself am in no position to comment on all of these scenes, but those people I mentioned definitely are. It's still an opinion of course, nothing empirical, because that's impossible, so if you disagree that's fine. I simply put a lot of weight into their opinions, and you might not. To be fair the argument that Korea didn't care about those games could applied to other countries too. I mean if the US cared as much about Starcraft or LoL as Korea does then they would easily dominate them in those e-Sports too (simply because they have way more people, and of course China has the potential to dominate everyone since they have the most people). It's not like there's anything innate to Koreans that make them better at e-Sports, they simply care more about them (invest more money, have a better infrastructure for scouting and nurturing talent, more competition among players looking to go pro). | ||
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skykh
3006 Posts
On October 01 2013 19:18 PaleMan wrote: overall Royal is stronger than SKT but SKT has his joker - Faker so basically the question is could Faker carry SKT to victory Godlike<Impact Lucky<Bengi Whitezz<Faker Uzi>=Piglet Tabe<PoohMandu Early game Royal>Early game skt Mid game Royal< Mid game skt Late game Royal< Late game skt Moral Royal< Moral skt (dont go on tilt when they are winning or losing 2 games in a row) Skt is more calm and composed , dont celeberate when they are winning game but only when they win the set. Tabe,Whitez,Uzi are more emotional so they are affected by it. | ||
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Dan HH
Romania9174 Posts
On October 01 2013 21:26 skykh wrote: Lucky>Bengi I hope that's a typo | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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niukasu1990
1007 Posts
He should have known he could not have many fans in China because more than65% of Chinese communities are crazy WE fans. | ||
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skykh
3006 Posts
Actually it's 3 typo Faker>whitez Bengi>Lucky Impact>godlike | ||
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