On July 12 2013 17:02 NeoIllusions wrote: Go Lemonpups!
After destroying Gambit in 22min ... can we still call them pups ? with Minty there i honestly believe the team mentality went up 200% and they might show that potential with what they entered LCS in the first place. If they now can win late game as well as early this might be a serieus contender for top 3. (or just wishful thinking on my part)
Oh I didn't mean to imply that he wasn't practicing hard enough lol. Just meant that taking a week break seems pretty impactful since he was on such top form before that.
On July 14 2013 01:57 Numy wrote: Oh I didn't mean to imply that he wasn't practicing hard enough lol. Just meant that taking a week break seems pretty impactful since he was on such top form before that.
well you could. I don't know the exact schedule of LCS and ATN but who takes vacation in the middle of the season in any other sport?
edit: but thinking about it, it's like pre-season, not exactly important games so actually smart to take it now and not when in preparation for worlds.
On July 14 2013 01:57 Numy wrote: Oh I didn't mean to imply that he wasn't practicing hard enough lol. Just meant that taking a week break seems pretty impactful since he was on such top form before that.
well you could. I don't know the exact schedule of LCS and ATN but who takes vacation in the middle of the season in any other sport?
Meh don't know circumstances to jump to conclusions. Could have been paid for and organised months ago who knows.
On July 14 2013 01:57 Numy wrote: Oh I didn't mean to imply that he wasn't practicing hard enough lol. Just meant that taking a week break seems pretty impactful since he was on such top form before that.
well you could. I don't know the exact schedule of LCS and ATN but who takes vacation in the middle of the season in any other sport?
Meh don't know circumstances to jump to conclusions. Could have been paid for and organised months ago who knows.
yea, just thinking about it, the games are not exactly important anyway. So take it now and not when it really matters. play offs/worlds. Might be smart/not so bad. So who knows.
Man I hate Ahri so much, not happy she's getting popular in LCS because that means solo queue will have lots of Ahris and when they get fed you can't stop them. '-'
On July 14 2013 02:21 PaleMan wrote: lol at that Ashe ban
Smart, ban the only ADC that Genja played well this split
srsly?
he played amazing ez
In only 1 game, his Ez was poop against Fnatic.
EU Ez's have been pretty underwhelming.
Is that why Ez has a way higher win rate in EU than in NA?
If you seriously think Ez is the reason why the teams are winning; you're sorely mistaken.
If you seriously think "cancer" build doesn't contribute to the wins, you're sorely mistaken.
Also not sure what "EU ez's have been underwhelming is supposed to imply since every EZ i saw in NA except for Doublelift has been shit"
infact out of all 16 Teams I only Like Double and Creaton's Ezreal.
I just don't like EZ as a champ most of the time; he takes such a long time for his strength to kick in. And for the most part EU ez's tend to build less damage; is even more problematic than NA Ez's. I think champs like Varus/Graves/MF tend to fit EU play styles a lot more than Ez.
On July 14 2013 02:56 AsnSensation wrote: why not double Aegis, it's the best item in the game. and with Darien passiv Gambit makes sure that they aura is up all the time even if Diamond dies
Genja's Ashe build was Dorans>2/3Dorans + Tear into BT>Muramana>lw.
it's almost as bad as Chaox's Ashe build; 3 dblade into PD.
Pretty insane Gambit is down 2 towers nad 1 kill; still ahead 1.2k gold. Really nice farming by Gambit.
On July 14 2013 03:04 Lysanias wrote: Gambit team fights, don't understimate it.
It wasn't teamfight so much as it was gold difference. They had same gold; but MYM's gold was mostly global gold; that means quite a bit of it funneled into Support. Gambit's gold was mostly farm gold; therefore mostly focused on carries.
On July 14 2013 03:04 Lysanias wrote: Gambit team fights, don't understimate it.
It wasn't teamfight so much as it was gold difference. They had same gold; but MYM's gold was mostly global gold; that means quite a bit of it funneled into Support. Gambit's gold was mostly farm gold; therefore mostly focused on carries.
Yeah that is true, then again they had a baron breathing on them. I know how the game works, it's still impressive that other teams simply think they can jump in a Gambit team.
On July 14 2013 03:04 Lysanias wrote: Gambit team fights, don't understimate it.
It wasn't teamfight so much as it was gold difference. They had same gold; but MYM's gold was mostly global gold; that means quite a bit of it funneled into Support. Gambit's gold was mostly farm gold; therefore mostly focused on carries.
Yeah that is true, then again they had a baron breathing on them. I know how the game works, it's still impressive that other teams simply think they can jump in a Gambit team.
On July 14 2013 03:04 Lysanias wrote: Gambit team fights, don't understimate it.
It wasn't teamfight so much as it was gold difference. They had same gold; but MYM's gold was mostly global gold; that means quite a bit of it funneled into Support. Gambit's gold was mostly farm gold; therefore mostly focused on carries.
Yeah that is true, then again they had a baron breathing on them. I know how the game works, it's still impressive that other teams simply think they can jump in a Gambit team.
Lack of farm was a huge reason why MyM lost.
Nah, they rely on Jarvan and Kennen to pull their ult off to win team fight while Gambit didn't even care...since they have Sona and Annie/Aatrox which can burst anything from 100-0. TF and Kog both can dish out very good damage from MYM but Jarvan can't live long enough for them to do so.
On July 14 2013 03:04 Lysanias wrote: Gambit team fights, don't understimate it.
It wasn't teamfight so much as it was gold difference. They had same gold; but MYM's gold was mostly global gold; that means quite a bit of it funneled into Support. Gambit's gold was mostly farm gold; therefore mostly focused on carries.
Yeah that is true, then again they had a baron breathing on them. I know how the game works, it's still impressive that other teams simply think they can jump in a Gambit team.
Lack of farm was a huge reason why MyM lost.
Witch is amusing with a TF in your team. Also going for double teleport i mean come on, other teams are aware of how MYM play, they will have alot of trouble unless they change the playstyle.
On July 14 2013 03:04 Lysanias wrote: Gambit team fights, don't understimate it.
It wasn't teamfight so much as it was gold difference. They had same gold; but MYM's gold was mostly global gold; that means quite a bit of it funneled into Support. Gambit's gold was mostly farm gold; therefore mostly focused on carries.
Yeah that is true, then again they had a baron breathing on them. I know how the game works, it's still impressive that other teams simply think they can jump in a Gambit team.
Lack of farm was a huge reason why MyM lost.
Nah, they rely on Jarvan and Kennen to pull their ult off to win team fight while Gambit didn't even care...since they have Sona and Annie/Aatrox which can burst anything from 100-0. TF and Kog both can dish out very good damage from MYM but Jarvan can't live long enough for them to do so.
Farm has a lot to do with how much j4 can tank as well. But overall in that baron fight, it was a terrible engagement by MyM.
On July 14 2013 03:04 Lysanias wrote: Gambit team fights, don't understimate it.
It wasn't teamfight so much as it was gold difference. They had same gold; but MYM's gold was mostly global gold; that means quite a bit of it funneled into Support. Gambit's gold was mostly farm gold; therefore mostly focused on carries.
Yeah that is true, then again they had a baron breathing on them. I know how the game works, it's still impressive that other teams simply think they can jump in a Gambit team.
Lack of farm was a huge reason why MyM lost.
Nah, they rely on Jarvan and Kennen to pull their ult off to win team fight while Gambit didn't even care...since they have Sona and Annie/Aatrox which can burst anything from 100-0. TF and Kog both can dish out very good damage from MYM but Jarvan can't live long enough for them to do so.
Farm has a lot to do with how much j4 can tank as well. But overall in that baron fight, it was a terrible engagement by MyM.
Well they were too late and had no vision. A terrible engage was pretty much a given.
On July 14 2013 03:34 Numy wrote: Oh is Wickd Kennen super bad? I know his AP in general is bad
edit: Thought it was kennen mid. Dam dislike Froggen on Malph
I knew EG would play like this, NiP knew it as well apparently. What I dont know is why they do that.
This is a bit off topic but you seem to have quite a detailed knowledge of what guys are practicing. Might I ask how? Think you always on point with drafting by EU teams or close enough most of the time
On July 14 2013 03:34 Numy wrote: Oh is Wickd Kennen super bad? I know his AP in general is bad
edit: Thought it was kennen mid. Dam dislike Froggen on Malph
I knew EG would play like this, NiP knew it as well apparently. What I dont know is why they do that.
This is a bit off topic but you seem to have quite a detailed knowledge of what guys are practicing. Might I ask how? Think you always on point with drafting by EU teams or close enough most of the time
Mostly I only know that about EG, because I follow them a lot. And well they are rather easy to predict.
Also I spectate their public games using Lolnexus.
On July 14 2013 03:45 AsnSensation wrote: snoopeh's ganks are hilarious, manages to blow at least 1 flash every time, unfortunately it's his own flash.
Bjergsen +20 on WickD :\
I think Wickd is doing surprisingly well vs Bjergsen. He was actually ahead in cs before they went to dragon.
This is just sad, every match so far was one team derping hard and the other team doing the obvious counterplay that even my broze mind could call correctly.
It's hilarious how out of position Froggen and Wickd are all game. Don't know what they expect Krepo/Pete/Snoopeh to do, they can't even leave their base at this point when Froggen and Wickd are off splitpushing (ineffectively)
Meh if the players really wanted to be at worlds they would have forced some kind of change awhile ago. The fact that they still don't have a coach/manager/analyst(At least I think they don't) is pretty much only on them. Hopefully they will drop out of LCS and let someone else who really wants it to take their place.
Used to really enjoy CLG.EU man. Makes me so mad watching this. I actually got more into lol by watching Snoopehs stream. Guy was so chilled and cool
On July 14 2013 04:01 NeoIllusions wrote: So, I'm content that NiP didn't bench Deficio. I've always liked his interviews and his play currently isn't shabby either.
I thought he was weak last season but seems like I was pretty wrong. Him and Freeze seem like a good combo
On July 14 2013 04:01 NeoIllusions wrote: So, I'm content that NiP didn't bench Deficio. I've always liked his interviews and his play currently isn't shabby either.
what impressed me the most is that he, himself, orignally only wanted to be the manager of the team, looked lackluster during the beginning of spring and has actually improved tremendously.
On July 14 2013 04:01 NeoIllusions wrote: So, I'm content that NiP didn't bench Deficio. I've always liked his interviews and his play currently isn't shabby either.
I mean it was clear TheTess was the weaker of the two. In their defense they only wanted to bench Godbro and TheTess lol. Crazy that he was originally only their manager haha.
Feel like a malph should just die in that situation instead of blowing both his ulti and flash. Not like he's going to do anything without his ulti up so he might as well be dead
I don't watch too much League but whenever I watch EG, it just seems like mistake after mistake. The good plays happen too late. *Sigh*, still sticking to EG though, I believe.
On July 14 2013 04:12 Lylat wrote: NiP have such a good team right now !
EG vs Velocity.. should be close
I would not overestimate NiP too much. They won a lot recently but also always looked somewhat shaky. Of course they have the potential to get much more solid.
On July 14 2013 04:12 Lylat wrote: NiP have such a good team right now !
EG vs Velocity.. should be close
I would not overestimate NiP too much. They won a lot recently but also always looked somewhat shaky. Of course they have the potential to get much more solid.
Still quite the turn around especially considering the newness of their roster. I can only hope their synergy will continue to improve.
On July 14 2013 04:12 Lylat wrote: NiP have such a good team right now !
EG vs Velocity.. should be close
I would not overestimate NiP too much. They won a lot recently but also always looked somewhat shaky. Of course they have the potential to get much more solid.
The team is definitely stronger than before, at least individually
On July 14 2013 04:32 Rijot wrote: I don't know if the Thresh + Condemn thing actually works but if it do I hope Riot don't patch it. It's stuff like that that gives a game character.
On July 14 2013 04:38 Shikyo wrote: k forellenlord and aranaeaeaea looked awful this game as well. Whiteknight looked really good again even though he played a completely different role.
Let's see how it goes when Whiteknight is their jungler instead(plays all roles)
Don't know what he plays atm but back in s2 he was one of the best junglers in teh soloq :D.
On July 14 2013 05:08 wei2coolman wrote: Citric pups doing work; nukeduck one of my favorite mids in EU; mostly because he's got an awesome name, 2ndly because he plays a beasty fizz.
The spirit of Tabzz Fizz lives on through his teammate.
So there was absolutely zero reason for Ocelote to have TP that game. He did nothing with it and if he had ignite maybe he could have gotten an early game kill or two that he didn't quite get which might have done something this game.
On July 14 2013 05:14 Amethyst21 wrote: My god that was a boring game.
NA LCS might be a level below (if that) but the NA games tend to be far more exciting, unless you like laughing at EG/Ocelot
NA sucks ! Well there time zone ... does i don't enjoy watching replay's in general so i can't follow it much. Skill level i doubt there is a difference, from what i have seen NA has a slight different meta that's about it ?
On July 14 2013 05:15 Numy wrote: So there was absolutely zero reason for Ocelote to have TP that game. He did nothing with it and if he had ignite maybe he could have gotten an early game kill or two that he didn't quite get which might have done something this game.
He used it to steal vayne's farm, so let's not say it's useless.
On July 14 2013 05:17 Redox wrote: I would say both the NA and EU games this week were respectively the worst of the season so far.
I really enjoyed the Curse vs CLG game; Curse showed how to shut out against splitpush comp.
CLG beating TSM was pretty good too; just cuz TSM tears are delicious.
Yeah the CLG vs Crs game was the only one I liked, for the same reason. Was kind of a fuck up by CLG though, getting caught for no reason in mid lane while split pushing.
On July 14 2013 05:14 Amethyst21 wrote: My god that was a boring game.
NA LCS might be a level below (if that) but the NA games tend to be far more exciting, unless you like laughing at EG/Ocelot
NA sucks ! Well there time zone ... does i don't enjoy watching replay's in general so i can't follow it much. Skill level i doubt there is a difference, from what i have seen NA has a slight different meta that's about it ?
On July 14 2013 05:14 Amethyst21 wrote: My god that was a boring game.
NA LCS might be a level below (if that) but the NA games tend to be far more exciting, unless you like laughing at EG/Ocelot
NA sucks ! Well there time zone ... does i don't enjoy watching replay's in general so i can't follow it much. Skill level i doubt there is a difference, from what i have seen NA has a slight different meta that's about it ?
On July 14 2013 09:28 schmutttt wrote: Aatrox wtf? How did Darien go with him (I haven't seen game so assuming it was jungle udyr but it is gambit so you never know).
Started dorans shield vs duo lane. BT>Bulwar>game won so bought a second BT for lolz. Basicly did what Aatrox does in teamfights. force you to kill him before he blows up your carries and then comes back cause of his passive to do it anyway.
On July 14 2013 20:06 Alaric wrote: Alternate's performances makes me so sad. T_T Don't ditch me, boys!
I have expected them to fall off for some time now. They dont seem to be as serious as other teams, and I think their practise is lacking. But they still do suprisingly well, even when they had to play with subs. They have a certain YOLO attitude that helps them starting engagements and surprising opponents.
Maybe the first losses will also make them practise harder so that they improve again. And of course they need Creaton to come back as fast as possible.
On July 15 2013 01:10 caelym wrote: Anyone know how severe Creaton's injury is? Breaking your hand in esports is like breaking your legs in physical sports...
On July 15 2013 01:10 caelym wrote: Anyone know how severe Creaton's injury is? Breaking your hand in esports is like breaking your legs in physical sports...
He only broke his little finger but had to have 3 fingers bound together to keep it in place.
On July 15 2013 01:10 caelym wrote: Anyone know how severe Creaton's injury is? Breaking your hand in esports is like breaking your legs in physical sports...
He only broke his little finger but had to have 3 fingers bound together to keep it in place.
If that's the case he might be back in action within a month or even sooner (assuming he uses the mouse with the right hand)
On July 15 2013 01:16 XaCez wrote: So, Jayce first pick? Or not, where is my Jayce?
I don't think extinct/bjergsen plays jayce for some reason. I'd guess gambit will wait until the end to see if they should take jayce, or just pick him now way to make me look silly alex
I'm not 100% convinced on the gambit team. They have good comfort champs, but they really miss a good Bulwark champion. I don't like eve jungle + non-tank top just because of that.
I really dont get why they banned Aatrox. He isnt any harder to shut down then any other champion. He has to build damage or you can ignore him and he has no innate defense aside from his passive so with even a moderate amount of cc you can just shut him down in teamfights.
So much early game pressure by NiP, well executed so far. Malunoo goes for really nice timed ganks. However, Gambit usually can come back from something like this, but NiP does it so well camping Darien. They probably hope he's gonna tilt and rage, dragging down team morale.
Darien kept the lead in cs and somehow managed to harass Shen low, why would he throw away this position where he could free farm by going under the tower?
This performance of Darien would make me rage hard if I was a gambit fan. Yeah ok you are far behind and not worth that much. but that doesnt mean you need to get yourself taunted under tower and killed for no reason. Repeatedly.
On July 15 2013 01:27 Gorsameth wrote: I really dont get why they banned Aatrox. He isnt any harder to shut down then any other champion. He has to build damage or you can ignore him and he has no innate defense aside from his passive so with even a moderate amount of cc you can just shut him down in teamfights.
Well if you don't fear any more champs from the enemy it's worth it to ban something that isn't that strong but if a comfort pick so it forces a situation like we have now with darien on something he isn't comfortable on.
On July 15 2013 01:38 Redox wrote: This performance of Darien would make me rage hard if I was a gambit fan. Yeah ok you are far behind and not worth that much. but that doesnt mean you need to get yourself taunted under tower and killed for no reason. Repeatedly.
In soloq people would report him now.
Please report Diamond aswell ty, for his play is non existend, and all lanes suffer from it.
NiP has been slow at taking towers early but they were doing it to force longer laning and continually abuse Gambit through ganks. NiP is playing a really smart game.
Not sure why gambit allowed the 2v2 after spotting their lanes in that ward. Sona can't do anything to stop tidecallers blessing Draven from killing at will
On July 15 2013 01:48 Slusher wrote: Not sure why gambit allowed the 2v2 after spotting their lanes in that ward. Sona can't do anything to stop tidecallers blessing Draven from killing at will
On July 15 2013 01:52 Serelitz wrote: Really well played by NiP to be honest. Bit too careful for my taste with their lead but they made very few mistakes overall.
KDA and GPM matter you know. It's how you show casuals how good you are.
On July 15 2013 01:52 Serelitz wrote: Really well played by NiP to be honest. Bit too careful for my taste with their lead but they made very few mistakes overall.
If you have to pick the right words in order to describe this game, which one would be: 1. Annihilated 2. Destroyed 3. Obliterated 4. Erased 5. Deleted
On July 15 2013 02:11 XaCez wrote: I was going to ask why Sona is so much more popular in EU than in Korea, and then I realised that Koreans don't ban Thresh.
I had noticed before that Nyph had an insane win rate in challenger, but didnt see he was already rank 1. And apparently with quite some distance to rank 2. Pretty impressive. So much for you cant carry with support and climb in soloQ.
On July 15 2013 02:47 Amethyst21 wrote: One of these days western teams will figure out how to end games. And it will be glorious.
It's not even how to end games tho, it's how to snowball an advantage - that's the #1 difference between good OGN teams and bad OGN teams / western teams.
On July 15 2013 02:47 Amethyst21 wrote: One of these days western teams will figure out how to end games. And it will be glorious.
It's not even how to end games tho, it's how to snowball an advantage - that's the #1 difference between good OGN teams and bad OGN teams / western teams.
This is mainly a SK problem though, always has been. I think noone else in EU LCS gave a big lead away this season.
On July 15 2013 02:47 Amethyst21 wrote: One of these days western teams will figure out how to end games. And it will be glorious.
It's not even how to end games tho, it's how to snowball an advantage - that's the #1 difference between good OGN teams and bad OGN teams / western teams.
This is mainly a SK problem though, always has been. I think noone else in EU LCS gave a big lead away this season.
Agreed, EU teams close out far better, but far too cautiously at times. Which is probably better than NA where no lead is safe
Wards all over right side of the map (just timed out). All in their own jungle + lane so they can't get backdoored, that's how little confidence SK has. If they'd had more balls 10 minutes ago they could've won this game already.
Sigh, seems like so many teams from EU and NA LCS just don't have the killer instinct to push advantages and split the map properly and it develops into stalemate until someone eventually throws. A lot of teams then scratch their head, wondering what to do and most look towards the Baron, where the ultimate throws happens. People NEED to learn how to aggressive properly because this lets more experienced teams win where they 100% shouldn't have if people played optimally.
SK with Baron, kills Sona without taking any damage. Proceed to not chase but just turn around on themselves near blue and let FNC take drake and do what they want on the map. Isn't there a rule to be able to vote a team out of LCS or something?
To be fair to SK, Fnatic has practically no balls either. They could have interrupted last baron but gave it away for free and let yellowstar get caught to boot. Looking at yellowstar's play this game I really can't understand why they booted nrated.
I think for those kind of games there should be a limited time, like 60min, then the team with most gold win. It's stupid but at least it would preven us from this kind of crap
LoL is so much about psychology and mindset. SK played really well at the start, but they lack so much confidence in their late game because they are at the bottom of the table and threw games before.
On July 15 2013 03:12 Lylat wrote: I think for those kind of games there should be a limited time, like 60min, then the team with most gold win. It's stupid but at least it would preven us from this kind of crap
Maybe Ohmwrecker needs to be made more appealing so that it can facilitate tower dives.
Although in the end this was mainly a SK problem, not a LoL problem.
Not so hopeful for Alternate without their main lineup :/ Even so I hope that Forellenlord at least gets his shit together, the last game was inexcusable
On July 15 2013 03:30 Numy wrote: Whiteknight actually played the best out of all of them yesterday
Yup he also played really well the game before that. Still there's some hidden things that happen in people's minds when they aren't playing with their primary lineup it seems
I really like this interview. Especially because it confirms some of my views. Like that mindset is what makes the difference among these teams of essentially equal skill.
On July 15 2013 03:30 Numy wrote: Whiteknight actually played the best out of all of them yesterday
Yup he also played really well the game before that. Still there's some hidden things that happen in people's minds when they aren't playing with their primary lineup it seems
Yea definitely but for a sub he seems pretty good and isn't dragging them down playwise at least. Supposedly he was beastly jungler s2 so maybe we'll see him starting jungle soon enough :D
On July 15 2013 03:30 Numy wrote: Whiteknight actually played the best out of all of them yesterday
Yup he also played really well the game before that. Still there's some hidden things that happen in people's minds when they aren't playing with their primary lineup it seems
Yea definitely but for a sub he seems pretty good and isn't dragging them down playwise at least. Supposedly he was beastly jungler s2 so maybe we'll see him starting jungle soon enough :D
aTn qualifies for WORLDS ! replaces Araneae day's before the event
On July 15 2013 03:28 XaCez wrote: What's it with people throwing around the word 'cancer' as of late?
It's been a 4chan thing for a while I think, *something something was so bad it gave me cancer*. At least it's not as bad as the horrible twitch chat crap overtaking reddit. Part of the reason I wish TL-LoL was bigger too I guess, it actually has some degree of quality enforcement.
Funny, i cant figure out who won, SK or Fnatic, from reading the LR-thread. Everyone was offended by the quality of the game and didnt care about the result.
On July 15 2013 03:49 Don_Julio wrote: Funny, i cant figure out who won, SK or Fnatic, from reading the LR-thread. Everyone was offended by the quality of the game and didnt care about the result.
On July 15 2013 03:28 XaCez wrote: What's it with people throwing around the word 'cancer' as of late?
It's been a 4chan thing for a while I think, *something something was so bad it gave me cancer*. At least it's not as bad as the horrible twitch chat crap overtaking reddit. Part of the reason I wish TL-LoL was bigger too I guess, it actually has some degree of quality enforcement.
Sheesh, with 2 pages of posts about how terrible that game was you guys sure make a big deal out of this one. To be honest, I was already feeling TL LoL is extremely unwelcoming (or maybe I should say non inclusive) towards people who aren't part of some pre-existing clique.
It's not about being "unwelcoming", it's about the cancer meme being already over-used and about as fun/contributing in these LR threads as my raging on Dig.
On July 15 2013 04:32 wei2coolman wrote: Not liking the warmog pick from Tabz; banshee veil or GA would've been a better buy.
GA is a bad choice vs poke. It does not help you at all against heavy hits and you'll be low before the fights start. Either block the poke with banshees (like you mentioned) or use warmog for the regen - both are good choices imo.
Whiteknight played pretty well imo.Varus/sona should beat thresh/ez in a straight up 2v2 as well.Every time someone who isn't terrible at ad appears in eu people just decide he is god and noone can replace him.
On July 15 2013 04:32 wei2coolman wrote: Not liking the warmog pick from Tabz; banshee veil or GA would've been a better buy.
GA is a bad choice vs poke. It does not help you at all against heavy hits and you'll be low before the fights start. Either block the poke with banshees (like you mentioned) or use warmog for the regen - both are good choices imo.
The kill factor of Atn seemed pretty low; during combat getting hit by random poke isn't punished as hard; if you have a 2nd life.
On July 15 2013 04:32 wei2coolman wrote: Not liking the warmog pick from Tabz; banshee veil or GA would've been a better buy.
GA is a bad choice vs poke. It does not help you at all against heavy hits and you'll be low before the fights start. Either block the poke with banshees (like you mentioned) or use warmog for the regen - both are good choices imo.
The kill factor of Atn seemed pretty low; during combat getting hit by random poke isn't punished as hard; if you have a 2nd life.
2nd life won't help you anything when the next spear one shots you right when coming up again. You don't want to have another teammate block the spear in a teamfight.
On July 15 2013 04:32 wei2coolman wrote: Not liking the warmog pick from Tabz; banshee veil or GA would've been a better buy.
GA is a bad choice vs poke. It does not help you at all against heavy hits and you'll be low before the fights start. Either block the poke with banshees (like you mentioned) or use warmog for the regen - both are good choices imo.
The kill factor of Atn seemed pretty low; during combat getting hit by random poke isn't punished as hard; if you have a 2nd life.
2nd life won't help you anything when the next spear one shots you right when coming up again. You don't want to have another teammate block the spear in a teamfight.
IMO GA has the Zac/Aatrox effect. Too busy focusing on the respawn; you take a lot of unnecessary damage. especially something like nidalee spear that requires timing; rest of the Lemon pup team could wreck the rest of ATN.
On July 15 2013 01:51 RouaF wrote: mym bot lane training solo queue hard before their match. faced them two times in solo queue just now. I THINK THEY WILL PLAY VAYNE.
as I said ! and eg with the malph pick again, rofl -_-
On July 15 2013 04:32 wei2coolman wrote: Not liking the warmog pick from Tabz; banshee veil or GA would've been a better buy.
GA is a bad choice vs poke. It does not help you at all against heavy hits and you'll be low before the fights start. Either block the poke with banshees (like you mentioned) or use warmog for the regen - both are good choices imo.
The kill factor of Atn seemed pretty low; during combat getting hit by random poke isn't punished as hard; if you have a 2nd life.
2nd life won't help you anything when the next spear one shots you right when coming up again. You don't want to have another teammate block the spear in a teamfight.
IMO GA has the Zac/Aatrox effect. Too busy focusing on the respawn; you take a lot of unnecessary damage. especially something like nidalee spear that requires timing; rest of the Lemon pup team could wreck the rest of ATN.
So you are hoping for the opponent to have bad mechanics and misplay a fight? I'm not a fan of that approach. With the other options you don't need that risk at all, because there is no chance for you to die in first place going into the fight with full hp.
On July 15 2013 01:51 RouaF wrote: mym bot lane training solo queue hard before their match. faced them two times in solo queue just now. I THINK THEY WILL PLAY VAYNE.
as I said ! and eg with the malph pick again, rofl -_-
Hey with double AP so popular... gotta make sure you play Malphite...
On July 15 2013 04:32 wei2coolman wrote: Not liking the warmog pick from Tabz; banshee veil or GA would've been a better buy.
GA is a bad choice vs poke. It does not help you at all against heavy hits and you'll be low before the fights start. Either block the poke with banshees (like you mentioned) or use warmog for the regen - both are good choices imo.
The kill factor of Atn seemed pretty low; during combat getting hit by random poke isn't punished as hard; if you have a 2nd life.
2nd life won't help you anything when the next spear one shots you right when coming up again. You don't want to have another teammate block the spear in a teamfight.
IMO GA has the Zac/Aatrox effect. Too busy focusing on the respawn; you take a lot of unnecessary damage. especially something like nidalee spear that requires timing; rest of the Lemon pup team could wreck the rest of ATN.
So you are hoping for the opponent to have bad mechanics and misplay a fight? I'm not a fan of that approach. With the other options you don't need that risk at all, because there is no chance for you to die in first place going into the fight with full hp.
Watch gambit's game yesterday; aatrox was essentially that with his passive.
On July 15 2013 04:32 wei2coolman wrote: Not liking the warmog pick from Tabz; banshee veil or GA would've been a better buy.
GA is a bad choice vs poke. It does not help you at all against heavy hits and you'll be low before the fights start. Either block the poke with banshees (like you mentioned) or use warmog for the regen - both are good choices imo.
The kill factor of Atn seemed pretty low; during combat getting hit by random poke isn't punished as hard; if you have a 2nd life.
2nd life won't help you anything when the next spear one shots you right when coming up again. You don't want to have another teammate block the spear in a teamfight.
IMO GA has the Zac/Aatrox effect. Too busy focusing on the respawn; you take a lot of unnecessary damage. especially something like nidalee spear that requires timing; rest of the Lemon pup team could wreck the rest of ATN.
So you are hoping for the opponent to have bad mechanics and misplay a fight? I'm not a fan of that approach. With the other options you don't need that risk at all, because there is no chance for you to die in first place going into the fight with full hp.
Watch gambit's game yesterday; aatrox was essentially that with his passive.
I think there was a lot other, more deciding stuff going on (especially positioningwise). Also Aatrox was really tanky with bulwark, dorans and merc tread (and giants belt later on), not an adc with only ga and no repositioning spell. Aatrox would have taken a nidalee spear without problem. Tabz would not.
On July 15 2013 04:32 wei2coolman wrote: Not liking the warmog pick from Tabz; banshee veil or GA would've been a better buy.
GA is a bad choice vs poke. It does not help you at all against heavy hits and you'll be low before the fights start. Either block the poke with banshees (like you mentioned) or use warmog for the regen - both are good choices imo.
The kill factor of Atn seemed pretty low; during combat getting hit by random poke isn't punished as hard; if you have a 2nd life.
2nd life won't help you anything when the next spear one shots you right when coming up again. You don't want to have another teammate block the spear in a teamfight.
IMO GA has the Zac/Aatrox effect. Too busy focusing on the respawn; you take a lot of unnecessary damage. especially something like nidalee spear that requires timing; rest of the Lemon pup team could wreck the rest of ATN.
So you are hoping for the opponent to have bad mechanics and misplay a fight? I'm not a fan of that approach. With the other options you don't need that risk at all, because there is no chance for you to die in first place going into the fight with full hp.
Watch gambit's game yesterday; aatrox was essentially that with his passive.
I think there was a lot other, more deciding stuff going on (especially positioningwise). Also Aatrox was really tanky with bulwark, dorans and merc tread (and giants belt later on), not an adc with only ga and no repositioning spell. Aatrox would have taken a nidalee spear without problem. Tabz would not.
If you watch the fight; Aatrox got BLOWN UP; but his presence alone during passive is what kept them zoned out.
On July 15 2013 04:32 wei2coolman wrote: Not liking the warmog pick from Tabz; banshee veil or GA would've been a better buy.
GA is a bad choice vs poke. It does not help you at all against heavy hits and you'll be low before the fights start. Either block the poke with banshees (like you mentioned) or use warmog for the regen - both are good choices imo.
The kill factor of Atn seemed pretty low; during combat getting hit by random poke isn't punished as hard; if you have a 2nd life.
2nd life won't help you anything when the next spear one shots you right when coming up again. You don't want to have another teammate block the spear in a teamfight.
IMO GA has the Zac/Aatrox effect. Too busy focusing on the respawn; you take a lot of unnecessary damage. especially something like nidalee spear that requires timing; rest of the Lemon pup team could wreck the rest of ATN.
So you are hoping for the opponent to have bad mechanics and misplay a fight? I'm not a fan of that approach. With the other options you don't need that risk at all, because there is no chance for you to die in first place going into the fight with full hp.
Watch gambit's game yesterday; aatrox was essentially that with his passive.
I think there was a lot other, more deciding stuff going on (especially positioningwise). Also Aatrox was really tanky with bulwark, dorans and merc tread (and giants belt later on), not an adc with only ga and no repositioning spell. Aatrox would have taken a nidalee spear without problem. Tabz would not.
If you watch the fight; Aatrox got BLOWN UP; but his presence alone during passive is what kept them zoned out.
If you watch the fight, the positioning was so bad that they could only focus the really tanky aatrox. Jarvan was already dead before the fight began and TF died like 4 seconds later. There was little pressure on Genja. The positioning decided the fight, nothing else. When the passive triggered GMB had already baron buff, Kennen was running without hp and cooldowns. Jarvan dead. Twisted Fate dead. Only Zyra and Kog versus 4 Gambit champs. The situation is not comperable at all.
On July 15 2013 05:33 Haasts wrote: Jaysus, walk away for a few minutes and when I come back EG's picked up more than half a dozen kills - what happened?
On July 15 2013 05:33 Haasts wrote: Jaysus, walk away for a few minutes and when I come back EG's picked up more than half a dozen kills - what happened?
MYM keep pushing out without keeping tabs on Froggen, who can basically murder Makler in one combo
On July 15 2013 05:33 Haasts wrote: Jaysus, walk away for a few minutes and when I come back EG's picked up more than half a dozen kills - what happened?
Careless facecheck by Vayne after securing baron, Froggen powering up, Malphite + Kassadin instagibbing Vayne in next teamfight.
On July 15 2013 05:39 RouaF wrote: I have no idea what mym did. They were ahead, had a fed vayne, baron and suddenly they got killed 4 times before the fight even started.
AD carries were fed on both teams, and both teams were great at killing ad carries. Whoever kills the enemy ad carry first wins easily. Malphite ult into Kassadin, vayne dead in 1 sec. EG cleans up.
On July 15 2013 05:39 RouaF wrote: I have no idea what mym did. They were ahead, had a fed vayne, baron and suddenly they got killed 4 times before the fight even started.
AD carries were fed on both teams, and both teams were great at killing ad carries. Whoever kills the enemy ad carry first wins easily. Malphite ult into Kassadin, vayne dead in 1 sec. EG cleans up.
That's not what happened tho ... or we didn't watch the same game
I honestly think this is to EG's detriment longterm, this will delay an changes, and they still desperately need to change. This victory was more positional mistakes from MyM rather than truly strong play from EG, which is not something you want to bank on to win games.
On July 15 2013 05:39 RouaF wrote: I have no idea what mym did. They were ahead, had a fed vayne, baron and suddenly they got killed 4 times before the fight even started.
AD carries were fed on both teams, and both teams were great at killing ad carries. Whoever kills the enemy ad carry first wins easily. Malphite ult into Kassadin, vayne dead in 1 sec. EG cleans up.
That's not what happened tho ... or we didn't watch the same game
That's what happened at 30:05. Maybe you are talking about a different fight? I dont know.
edit:
Oh I see that you wrote baron. Well we know what happened there, Makler facechecked for whatever reason. Only 2 MYM members died as a result of that facecheck though, for 1 of EG.
On July 15 2013 05:47 Fwmeh wrote: I honestly think this is to EG's detriment longterm, this will delay an changes, and they still desperately need to change. This victory was more positional mistakes from MyM rather than truly strong play from EG, which is not something you want to bank on to win games.
I am pretty sure EG know they didnt play well, even if they won.
I'm talking about almost every fight after the baron+facecheck from vayne. Mym didn't seem to be able to engage, got caught and instead of turning tried to disengage/flee, good idea against kassadin.
MYM going on a free fall. Every one talks about EG but MYM are the ones who really are on a losing streak. Either they addapt there play or be at the bottum for the rest of the summer split.
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