• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 12:03
CEST 18:03
KST 01:03
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection7Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO8 Preview8[ASL21] Finals Preview: Two Legacies21
Community News
[TLMC] Summer 2026 Ladder Map Rotation05.0.16 patch for SC2 goes live (8 worker start)37ZeroSpace at Steam NextFest - Last free demo23Weekly Cups (June 8-14): Clem and Solar double, PTR tested0RSL: S6 Finals played at BlizzCon 202611
StarCraft 2
General
?Bug in new patch 5.0.16 patch for SC2 goes live (8 worker start) Daily SC2 Player Grid - feedback wanted SC2 Planner - The StarCraft II Build Planner [TLMC] Summer 2026 Ladder Map Rotation
Tourneys
RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament GSL CK #4 20-21th June Douyu Cup 2026: $20,000 Legends Event (June 26-28) Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2)
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
Work In Progress Melee Maps [D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 531 Experimental Artillery Mutation # 530 One For All Mutation # 529 Opportunities Unleashed
Brood War
General
Fact based Zerg Upgrade Tier List BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ STARCRAFT MOVIE - Last Night at the Command center BW General Discussion Battle cruiser feet vs Carrier fleet
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues CSLAN 4 is Coming! Small VOD Thread 2.0 The Casual Games of the Week Thread
Strategy
Why doesn't anyone use restoration? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Relatively freeroll strategies Creating a full chart of Zerg builds
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread ZeroSpace at Steam NextFest - Last free demo Beyond All Reason Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread [H]Internet/Gaming Cafe Tips and Tricks The Games Industry And ATVI
Fan Clubs
The HerO Fan Club! The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion Cricket [SPORT]
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Facing Challenges in Mobile App Development
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
How To Predict Tilt in Espor…
TrAiDoS
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
I'm an arrogant trash talke…
FlaShFTW
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
Why RTS gamers make better f…
gosubay
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 9200 users

[OGN] Hotsix The Champions Summer 2013 - Page 257

Forum Index > LoL Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 255 256 257 258 259 273 Next
FSKi
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States901 Posts
August 28 2013 10:59 GMT
#5121
--- Nuked ---
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-28 11:00:24
August 28 2013 10:59 GMT
#5122
Shy = World Class
CT = No
Rapidstar/GBM = No
Space = Good
Madlife = World Class (but can't carry/make plays when not on Thresh/Blitz)

Compare that to Ozone that arguably have four world class players, SKT who have probably three or four, the Bullets who have three or four, and even Blaze who have two world class carries in Ambition and Flame, I dunno how Frost can beat these line-ups.

Sword has already switched out Ssong for their Colossal Titan Mid Laner who came in and helped win them NLB, so I feel like they need to either stick by GBM and watch his progression, or they need to swim in solo queue.
Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
bokchoi
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Korea (South)9498 Posts
August 28 2013 11:00 GMT
#5123
On August 28 2013 19:57 Fusilero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2013 19:56 Gorsameth wrote:
Holy... just woke up and what has OGN done to there free stream quality? It was never amazing, but it doesnt have to be for a free stream, but now its such bad quality i cant even see which champion is which. there just giant colored pixels Oo

For no reason twitch changed their stream quality options and medium isn't as good a 480p so OGN have pretty much been screwed by twitch.


Twitch has stated Medium is 360p+
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
August 28 2013 11:01 GMT
#5124
On August 28 2013 19:59 Fionn wrote:
Shy = World Class
CT = No
Rapidstar/GBM = No
Space = Good
Madlife = World Class (but can't carry/make plays when not on Thresh/Blitz)

Compare that to Ozone that arguably have four world class players, SKT who have probably three or four, the Bullets who have three or four, and even Blaze who have two world class carries in Ambition and Flame, I dunno how Frost can beat these line-ups.

Sword has already switched out Ssong for their Colossal Titan Mid Laner who came in and helped win them NLB, so I feel like they need to either stick by GBM and watch his progression, or they need to swim in solo queue.

I'd say for ozone and KTB all five are world class. Still not entirely sold on impact though.
Glorious SEA doto
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
August 28 2013 11:04 GMT
#5125
On August 28 2013 19:59 FSKi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2013 19:56 Gorsameth wrote:
Holy... just woke up and what has OGN done to there free stream quality? It was never amazing, but it doesnt have to be for a free stream, but now its such bad quality i cant even see which champion is which. there just giant colored pixels Oo


It's not OGN. That's Twitch's new low, medium, high function. Broadcasters don't have a choice about that.

That was, to put it lightly, a fairly one sided game.


Classic corporate decision making really.
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
August 28 2013 11:05 GMT
#5126
i cant watch 720p due to bandwidth, now i can only watch 360 on twitch.
Which means i rather dont watch streams at all.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
August 28 2013 11:06 GMT
#5127
On August 28 2013 20:05 LaNague wrote:
i cant watch 720p due to bandwidth, now i can only watch 360 on twitch.
Which means i rather dont watch streams at all.


Same boat man. Used to always use 480p and maybe once in a blue moon the stars would aling and 720p would work. Don't get why I haven't read any huge shitstorm threads/news/posts about this.
bokchoi
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Korea (South)9498 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-28 11:08:40
August 28 2013 11:08 GMT
#5128
On August 28 2013 20:06 Numy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2013 20:05 LaNague wrote:
i cant watch 720p due to bandwidth, now i can only watch 360 on twitch.
Which means i rather dont watch streams at all.


Same boat man. Used to always use 480p and maybe once in a blue moon the stars would aling and 720p would work. Don't get why I haven't read any huge shitstorm threads/news/posts about this.


OGN is like the first major event where people have been forced onto "medium" since the switch to this new style of quality. The outcry is starting
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
August 28 2013 11:08 GMT
#5129
Phew CJ avoids the CJ vs Zed match up.
Glorious SEA doto
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-28 11:11:44
August 28 2013 11:11 GMT
#5130
I was always watching things on 720, but the problem with the new 720 (high) is that it lags for whatever reason. And not only for me. 480p was indeed the best option if you wanted to save bandwidth and still be able to read everything. Although I have enough bandwidth I used 480 when watching multiple streams (up to 5) to not stress out the PC. Now its completely gone.

So now I went from 720 to 360 on all my streams although I have more than enough bandwidth. Great job Twitch.
Off-season = best season
bokchoi
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Korea (South)9498 Posts
August 28 2013 11:11 GMT
#5131
MadLife needs to bring Zyra back into his champ pool and add Fiddle. His support-pool atm seems limited because teams have started realizing the way to defeat Frost is to ban him out.
nojitosunrise
Profile Joined August 2011
United States6188 Posts
August 28 2013 11:11 GMT
#5132
On August 28 2013 19:59 FSKi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2013 19:56 Gorsameth wrote:
Holy... just woke up and what has OGN done to there free stream quality? It was never amazing, but it doesnt have to be for a free stream, but now its such bad quality i cant even see which champion is which. there just giant colored pixels Oo


It's not OGN. That's Twitch's new low, medium, high function. Broadcasters don't have a choice about that.

That was, to put it lightly, a fairly one sided game.

Pretty smart cost cutting implementation for twitch, but it sucks for viewers.
Letmelose
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Korea (South)3227 Posts
August 28 2013 11:13 GMT
#5133
On August 28 2013 19:59 Fionn wrote:
Shy = World Class
CT = No
Rapidstar/GBM = No
Space = Good
Madlife = World Class (but can't carry/make plays when not on Thresh/Blitz)

Compare that to Ozone that arguably have four world class players, SKT who have probably three or four, the Bullets who have three or four, and even Blaze who have two world class carries in Ambition and Flame, I dunno how Frost can beat these line-ups.

Sword has already switched out Ssong for their Colossal Titan Mid Laner who came in and helped win them NLB, so I feel like they need to either stick by GBM and watch his progression, or they need to swim in solo queue.


I feel like having a competent mid-lane, and a good jungler to go with that plays the biggest factor in creating a basic pillar for a competitive team. It is the reason why having a solid line-up in those two positions influence the picks and bans to such a great degree. CJ Entus Frost has just as many world-class players as other top level teams in Korea, but the sad fact is that their most important positions are filled by players who are simply not upto par. It is just tragic to a certain degree that other teams can afford to waste bans shutting out MadLife, while CJ Entus Frost struggles to ban key champions due to their nature of their team.
TL+ Member
bokchoi
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Korea (South)9498 Posts
August 28 2013 11:13 GMT
#5134
Seems like MVP Ozone is gonna go for a line swap with these picks. Put Shen in a 1v2, put their duo 2v1 vs Zed, and put Vladi vs Zac? Or how good is Vladi vs Zed? I guess he can pool the Death Mark, but I've never seen this match-up
pixelate
Profile Joined August 2013
United States180 Posts
August 28 2013 11:15 GMT
#5135
On August 28 2013 20:13 bokchoi wrote:
Seems like MVP Ozone is gonna go for a line swap with these picks. Put Shen in a 1v2, put their duo 2v1 vs Zed, and put Vladi vs Zac? Or how good is Vladi vs Zed? I guess he can pool the Death Mark, but I've never seen this match-up

Vlad is very strong vs Zed, in fact CJ Blaze used this matchup to counter Dade in g3 of Spring finals (didn't work out due to Dade's roam picking up kills bot, but Flame did well in lane vs Zed with Vlad)
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
August 28 2013 11:15 GMT
#5136
On August 28 2013 20:11 nojitosunrise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2013 19:59 FSKi wrote:
On August 28 2013 19:56 Gorsameth wrote:
Holy... just woke up and what has OGN done to there free stream quality? It was never amazing, but it doesnt have to be for a free stream, but now its such bad quality i cant even see which champion is which. there just giant colored pixels Oo


It's not OGN. That's Twitch's new low, medium, high function. Broadcasters don't have a choice about that.

That was, to put it lightly, a fairly one sided game.

Pretty smart cost cutting implementation for twitch, but it sucks for viewers.

Meh not like it needs a genius to figure out if you broadcast at lower quality you save bandwidth. They can do this shit because their competition has gone belly up. I have feared this would happen since the end of Own3d.tv.
Off-season = best season
ketchup
Profile Joined August 2010
14521 Posts
August 28 2013 11:20 GMT
#5137
what was that. Why did cloudtempler engage when they were in a postional disadvantage. Seriously confusing.
bokchoi
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Korea (South)9498 Posts
August 28 2013 11:20 GMT
#5138
Mata's rotations and map awareness so good, but MadLife says I can do that too albeit a bit late.
Djin)ftw(
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Germany3357 Posts
August 28 2013 11:21 GMT
#5139
why was CT following elise all the time? shouldnt u try to get to 6 asap as mumu?
"jk CLG best mindgames using the baron to counterthrow" - boesthius
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
August 28 2013 11:23 GMT
#5140
On August 28 2013 20:21 Djin)ftw( wrote:
why was CT following elise all the time? shouldnt u try to get to 6 asap as mumu?


Wasn't he trying to gank top but kept running into elise so he tried to kill elise. Vlad was pushing so hard against Zac without a care in the world.
Prev 1 255 256 257 258 259 273 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 17h 57m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
LamboSC2 660
Harstem 286
MaxPax 199
Liquid`VortiX 95
trigger 42
mouzStarbuck 33
MindelVK 24
RushiSC 14
StarCraft: Brood War
Jaedong 1424
Mini 1350
EffOrt 1075
Shuttle 848
firebathero 762
Soma 411
Light 355
actioN 249
Snow 201
ggaemo 186
[ Show more ]
Rush 137
hero 123
Sharp 100
PianO 73
Movie 66
Sea.KH 61
Hyun 49
JulyZerg 48
JYJ 36
ToSsGirL 35
scan(afreeca) 30
Terrorterran 21
Shine 17
sorry 16
GoRush 16
Sacsri 13
Dota 2
Gorgc7385
Dendi1210
League of Legends
Reynor81
Counter-Strike
ScreaM5466
fl0m1940
ceh9461
adren_tv55
Other Games
singsing2434
B2W.Neo1052
FrodaN411
DeMusliM364
QueenE76
Trikslyr54
Dewaltoss19
BEARDiaguz6
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream8133
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• HappyZerGling 69
• intothetv
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• FirePhoenix10
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos1892
• Nemesis1435
• TFBlade541
Other Games
• Shiphtur36
Upcoming Events
The PondCast
17h 57m
Douyu Cup 2020
1d 12h
Oliveira vs Trap
Jieshi vs XY
soO vs FanTaSy
TY vs Coffee
OSC
1d 23h
Douyu Cup 2020
2 days
Neeb vs Impact
MacSed vs Cyan
Scarlett vs Kelazhur
INnoVation vs Dear
Douyu Cup 2020
3 days
Maestros of the Game
3 days
herO vs Classic
Maru vs Serral
BSL22 NKC (BSL vs China)
3 days
Douyu Cup 2020
4 days
BSL22 NKC (BSL vs China)
4 days
Online Event
4 days
[ Show More ]
RSL Revival
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
WardiTV Weekly
5 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-06-19
WardiTV Spring 2026
Heroes Pulsing #2

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
Acropolis #4
CSCL: Masked Kings S4
YSL S3
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSL Season 21: Qualifier 1
SCTL 2026 Spring
Maestros of the Game 2
Murky Cup 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026

Upcoming

CSL Season 21: Qualifier 2
CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
HSC XXIX
Douyu Cup 2026
BCC 2026
Light Tournament 2026
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale
Eternal Conflict S2 E1
Heroes Pulsing #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.