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United States23455 Posts
On August 21 2013 22:11 dooraven wrote:
Hm, so only one of frost and blaze can go to worlds. Interesting.
It'll probably be neither. I give Blaze a better chance solely on the fact that if they can get some variance, they just have a better team overall than Frost. They have two world class carries (Flame and Ambition), a wild card (CptJack) and then good, but not world class core players like Muse, Lustboy, and Helios.
Rapidstar and CloudTemplar just seem like they can't stand up to the other top teams in Korea. I thought they might have improved with how well they did against Shield, but they kinda have been destroyed by Sword, SKT, Blaze and now the Bullets in the past Bo5 series against top teams.
Blaze, for how uninspired they were this season, were able to push Bullets to the brink.
It'll probably just be Ozone/Sword/KT or SKT.
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Korea (South)11232 Posts
On August 21 2013 22:14 Fionn wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2013 22:11 dooraven wrote:
Hm, so only one of frost and blaze can go to worlds. Interesting. It'll probably be neither. I give Blaze a better chance solely on the fact that if they can get some variance, they just have a better team overall than Frost. They have two world class carries (Flame and Ambition), a wild card (CptJack) and then good, but not world class core players like Muse, Lustboy, and Helios. Rapidstar and CloudTemplar just seem like they can't stand up to the other top teams in Korea. I thought they might have improved with how well they did against Shield, but they kinda have been destroyed by Sword, SKT, Blaze and now the Bullets in the past Bo5 series against top teams. Blaze, for how uninspired they were this season, were able to push Bullets to the brink. It'll probably just be Ozone/Sword/KT or SKT.
I thought that Frost had the better overall Team. I would rank Space/Madlife higher than Cpt. Jack and Muse. Ganked by Mom is good enought to not lose his lane as bad as Rapidstar. If they target ban on GBM Madlife is free to pick his play making champs.
As long as the lanes of Frost dont fail horribly a CT is a good jungler because he can farm up in his jungle and join the big teamfights where Frost is good
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Insec looks better in the top lane than he did in the jungle. It makes sense; I never really thought he was the complete package as a jungler, and many of his strengths seemed wasted in the jungle. But I never imagined he would adapt so quickly. By dominating both Flame and Shy, he is making a pretty strong claim as one of the world's best top laners. Either Homme or Impact will struggle to contain him, just as long as he manages to control his aggression. We could be in for a cracking final.
But where to now for Blaze and Frost? They both look fantastic when taking out teams beneath them, but seem to really struggle against stronger teams. Do they try to teach their old dogs some new tricks, or do they take a more ruthless approach and start looking to bolster some of their weaker areas? There's a very good chance that neither of them will get to go to Worlds, especially if Sword clinches an automatic berth and both SKT/KTB are thrown into the qualifiers.
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CJ frost need a new midlaner. gbm either needs to solidify his place on the team and his own play or they need to find an alternative.
as good as madlife is, it doesn't seem to mean that much in the laning phase outside of the 100% gamewinning champions like thresh and blitzcrank. take those out of the equation and the immediate impact that he can have upon the game as a single player is greatly diminished.
sounds kinda silly, but i'd love to see CJ pull a insec themselves and put the man on midlane if he is up for it. he is already one of the if not the uncontested #1 support in many peoples' eyes, but his playmaking ability and immaculate mechanics would also make him a fearsome mid imo.
CJ has 2 world class players in shy and madlife, but they are on the roles that have the least early midgame impact in a relatively even setting - and less lategame impact when it comes down to it, as well.
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Korea (South)11232 Posts
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On August 21 2013 22:33 Navi wrote:
CJ frost need a new midlaner. gbm either needs to solidify his place on the team and his own play or they need to find an alternative.
as good as madlife is, it doesn't seem to mean that much in the laning phase outside of the 100% gamewinning champions like thresh and blitzcrank. take those out of the equation and the immediate impact that he can have upon the game as a single player is greatly diminished.
sounds kinda silly, but i'd love to see CJ pull a insec themselves and put the man on midlane if he is up for it. he is already one of the if not the uncontested #1 support in many peoples' eyes, but his playmaking ability and immaculate mechanics would also make him a fearsome mid imo.
CJ has 2 world class players in shy and madlife, but they are on the roles that have the least early midgame impact in a relatively even setting - and less lategame impact when it comes down to it, as well.
Who would they find to replace Madlife in the support role though? Frost will be hard pressed to find someone at Madlife's level for the role, given how some of the other top supports are already in main rosters of other teams.
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no doubt, just idle speculation. there are inherent problems that need to be addressed one way or another.
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Blaze and Frost are too much caught in their own microcosmos. They are allways just doing their own thing without adapting at all to the opposition. It works well against teams, that are just way below their level of play, but once they hit equal opponents they fall apart against good preparation. They have to prepare focused on their opponents and come up with well matching strategies. Otherwise they will just be those Ro8/Ro4 regulars with no real chance of a championship.
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Is CT married ? Shy has a girlfriend i believe is one of those reasons why they lose too.
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On August 21 2013 23:29 skykh wrote:
Is CT married ? Shy has a girlfriend i believe is one of those reasons why they lose too.
Shy performed amazingly though. 
I believe Madlife has a girlfriend, actually. Maybe it's the other way around and they ALL should get girlfriends... 
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United States23745 Posts
Wonder why they opted to play with RapidStar instead of Ganked By Mom.
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On August 21 2013 22:54 TeeTS wrote:
Blaze and Frost are too much caught in their own microcosmos. They are allways just doing their own thing without adapting at all to the opposition. It works well against teams, that are just way below their level of play, but once they hit equal opponents they fall apart against good preparation. They have to prepare focused on their opponents and come up with well matching strategies. Otherwise they will just be those Ro8/Ro4 regulars with no real chance of a championship.
that is exactly what they are trying to do in practice but over the course of several matches. The problem is that they don't adapt during a series i think.
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United States23745 Posts
I can't believe Frost gave up Zac in all three games o_o
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United States3705 Posts
On August 21 2013 21:09 Fionn wrote:
woong plz come back
plz woong
never thought i'd see the day where these words were uttered
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Tier list:
S-Tier: Mvp Ozone, Sk telecom t1, Kt rolster b
A-tier: Najin Black Sword, Cj entus blaze, Cj entus frost
B-tier: Najin White Shield, Jag Falcons,CTU
C-tier: Jag stealths,Lg-im, Xenics blast/storm etc..
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Didn't get to see kt B games, what happened? was it really that hard of a stomp?
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Yeah it was kinda embarrassing
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United Kingdom50293 Posts
On August 22 2013 03:24 wei2coolman wrote:
Didn't get to see kt B games, what happened? was it really that hard of a stomp?
Insec got 3.10 zac three times, I'll leave it at that.
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Was that on 3.10?
Anyway, I have no fucking clue as to why they let him get it both times. I mean, what has insec played other than shen and zac top?
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