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bokchoi
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Korea (South)9498 Posts
August 21 2013 12:46 GMT
#4541
On August 21 2013 21:45 miicah wrote:
Why would you just not ban Zac?


Arrogance, inability to adjust gameplan, etc.
Affenaffe
Profile Joined September 2012
Germany1386 Posts
August 21 2013 12:46 GMT
#4542
that's what i meant, why be so scared about lategame when you have zac/eve ezreal lategame teamfights against only gragas aoe. what was montechristo going on about? i really think he is dead wrong with his assessment
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
August 21 2013 12:46 GMT
#4543
Why were so many bans targeted at kakao that gave insec zac every time.
Glorious SEA doto
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51519 Posts
August 21 2013 12:46 GMT
#4544
On August 21 2013 21:45 Djin)ftw( wrote:
SKT vs KT in the finals.

sounds oddly familiar, I dont know why


[image loading]
never forget
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UmberBane
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany5450 Posts
August 21 2013 12:46 GMT
#4545
On August 21 2013 21:38 Fionn wrote:
Poll: What OP champion was better?

Visage Zac (9)
 
53%

Muramana Jayce (8)
 
47%

17 total votes

Your vote: What OP champion was better?

(Vote): Muramana Jayce
(Vote): Visage Zac





Better to watch: Jayce by far
Better as in stronger: I'd probably say Zac
Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
August 21 2013 12:47 GMT
#4546
CJ teams always falling to the same mistakes. Not banning Zed or Zac. REally sad to see this outcome
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Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
August 21 2013 12:47 GMT
#4547
yes, the zac is strong. yes, cloudtemplar did relatively little to prevent him from becoming the splitpushing god he became, esp in g2 and g3. yes, there is counterplay, but given the STRENGTH of KTB's other lanes (which they clearly picked for, lane dominance) they could not afford that counterplay (active suppression of zac and rotations after you gain that lane's tower / dominance to prevent zac from being able to come to his team's aid as easily as shen).

that is why CJ's picks (gragas vs zed with good lane control from rapidstar and a cait nami vs fid ez lane) in the 3rd game were imo the best, but cloudtemplar left shy out to the dogs toplane and he got dove twice relatively early with no consequence for KTB, giving insec the free lane.
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bokchoi
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Korea (South)9498 Posts
August 21 2013 12:47 GMT
#4548
On August 21 2013 21:46 UmberBane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2013 21:38 Fionn wrote:
Poll: What OP champion was better?

Visage Zac (9)
 
53%

Muramana Jayce (8)
 
47%

17 total votes

Your vote: What OP champion was better?

(Vote): Muramana Jayce
(Vote): Visage Zac





Better to watch: Jayce by far
Better as in stronger: I'd probably say Zac


Definitely Muramana Jayce made exciting plays. Visage Zac is just fucking boring
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
August 21 2013 12:47 GMT
#4549
Should have let 3.10 Elise open and ban Zac maaaaan Frost I believed, but honestly only Shy played good today.
KasPra
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Estonia983 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-21 12:50:02
August 21 2013 12:49 GMT
#4550
Insec with the 38 or 39 kda total in this series I think

Zac is OP but Insec Zac is just incredibly OP. I usually call him Insex but I might switch to Inzac
Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
August 21 2013 12:50 GMT
#4551
Shy should have picked Vladimir instead of Zac. Same sustain SV incredible helpful too.
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Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
August 21 2013 12:52 GMT
#4552
I dont think this was decided on champion picks. KT just was a level above Frost.
Off-season = best season
bokchoi
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Korea (South)9498 Posts
August 21 2013 12:53 GMT
#4553
InSec: We practiced Zac vs Shen a lot.

gg.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
August 21 2013 12:53 GMT
#4554
On August 21 2013 21:52 Redox wrote:
I dont think this was decided on champion picks. KT just was a level above Frost.

I'd say the primary difference was between kakao/cloudtemplar and rapidstar/ryu imo. Kakao and insec pretty much dived shy at every chance and cloudtemplar never really punished him for it so insec was free to snowball and get big on 3.10 visage zac.
Glorious SEA doto
nyxnyxnyx
Profile Joined April 2010
Indonesia2978 Posts
August 21 2013 12:54 GMT
#4555
On August 21 2013 21:39 Fionn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2013 21:39 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
I really don't get the decision to play the Shen v Zac matchup 3 times in a row. Is it a pride thing?


They're easily the most OP Top Lane champions in 3.10.

You're probably going to see Shen vs. Zac in Korea till they nerf Zac/Spirit Visage


No no I know that. I'm just wondering why not pick Zac or ban it?
cool beans
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
August 21 2013 12:54 GMT
#4556
On August 21 2013 21:54 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2013 21:39 Fionn wrote:
On August 21 2013 21:39 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
I really don't get the decision to play the Shen v Zac matchup 3 times in a row. Is it a pride thing?


They're easily the most OP Top Lane champions in 3.10.

You're probably going to see Shen vs. Zac in Korea till they nerf Zac/Spirit Visage


No no I know that. I'm just wondering why not pick Zac or ban it?

Because CJ teams don't prepare.
Glorious SEA doto
-Zoda-
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
France3578 Posts
August 21 2013 12:55 GMT
#4557
On August 21 2013 21:47 AsnSensation wrote:
Should have let 3.10 Elise open and ban Zac maaaaan Frost I believed, but honestly only Shy played good today.

Props definitely need to be given to Shy imo. He really did the best he could, but there's nothing you can do to outpush a Zac as Shen, it's a matchup thing. AND Zac can interrupt shen's ult so easily, it's a very bad lane imo. He tried in game 3 to go for Sunfire first, but got immediately shut down by Kakao and friends.
Insec played the lane as he should, of course, but the problem for Shy was more the pick than anything else.

Lack of adaptation by Frost lost them the series by quite far. Rapidstar play on top of that...
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Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
August 21 2013 12:56 GMT
#4558
On August 21 2013 21:47 bokchoi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2013 21:46 UmberBane wrote:
On August 21 2013 21:38 Fionn wrote:
Poll: What OP champion was better?

Visage Zac (9)
 
53%

Muramana Jayce (8)
 
47%

17 total votes

Your vote: What OP champion was better?

(Vote): Muramana Jayce
(Vote): Visage Zac





Better to watch: Jayce by far
Better as in stronger: I'd probably say Zac


Definitely Muramana Jayce made exciting plays. Visage Zac is just fucking boring

Visage + some random tank is boring but given the strength of visage right now why would you not play that kind of hero. Zac just happened to be have very high base values on his spells and sustained and a free revive, which are accentuated by the removal of bulwark and new visage making him pretty unstoppable
Bronze player stuck in platinum
Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
August 21 2013 12:57 GMT
#4559
On August 21 2013 21:55 -Zoda- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2013 21:47 AsnSensation wrote:
Should have let 3.10 Elise open and ban Zac maaaaan Frost I believed, but honestly only Shy played good today.

Props definitely need to be given to Shy imo. He really did the best he could, but there's nothing you can do to outpush a Zac as Shen, it's a matchup thing. AND Zac can interrupt shen's ult so easily, it's a very bad lane imo. He tried in game 3 to go for Sunfire first, but got immediately shut down by Kakao and friends.
Insec played the lane as he should, of course, but the problem for Shy was more the pick than anything else.

Lack of adaptation by Frost lost them the series by quite far. Rapidstar play on top of that...


Thats why I said Vladimir instead of Shen :<
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
August 21 2013 12:57 GMT
#4560
On August 21 2013 21:50 Chexx wrote:
Shy should have picked Vladimir instead of Zac. Same sustain SV incredible helpful too.

What about the multiple AoE cc, non-cleansable initiation, 1550 jumps, %HP spammable AoE damage, on top of the broken sustain?
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
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