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-Zoda-
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
France3578 Posts
August 21 2013 12:58 GMT
#4561
On August 21 2013 21:57 Chexx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2013 21:55 -Zoda- wrote:
On August 21 2013 21:47 AsnSensation wrote:
Should have let 3.10 Elise open and ban Zac maaaaan Frost I believed, but honestly only Shy played good today.

Props definitely need to be given to Shy imo. He really did the best he could, but there's nothing you can do to outpush a Zac as Shen, it's a matchup thing. AND Zac can interrupt shen's ult so easily, it's a very bad lane imo. He tried in game 3 to go for Sunfire first, but got immediately shut down by Kakao and friends.
Insec played the lane as he should, of course, but the problem for Shy was more the pick than anything else.

Lack of adaptation by Frost lost them the series by quite far. Rapidstar play on top of that...


Thats why I said Vladimir instead of Shen :<

I was typing when you posted it. ^^
♪ 最初はi つなぐdo それ つまりlife 常に移動 ♪ - IGN: Uhryks
Affenaffe
Profile Joined September 2012
Germany1386 Posts
August 21 2013 12:58 GMT
#4562
On August 21 2013 21:53 Fusilero wrote:
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On August 21 2013 21:52 Redox wrote:
I dont think this was decided on champion picks. KT just was a level above Frost.

I'd say the primary difference was between kakao/cloudtemplar and rapidstar/ryu imo. Kakao and insec pretty much dived shy at every chance and cloudtemplar never really punished him for it so insec was free to snowball and get big on 3.10 visage zac.


that sounds right
pretty hard to 1v2 against double ult every 2 minutes
bokchoi
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Korea (South)9498 Posts
August 21 2013 12:58 GMT
#4563
KT B scrimmed with Ozone. Frost scrimmed with Blaze. No wonder. l0l
Djin)ftw(
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Germany3357 Posts
August 21 2013 12:59 GMT
#4564
On August 21 2013 21:47 Navi wrote:
yes, the zac is strong. yes, cloudtemplar did relatively little to prevent him from becoming the splitpushing god he became, esp in g2 and g3. yes, there is counterplay, but given the STRENGTH of KTB's other lanes (which they clearly picked for, lane dominance) they could not afford that counterplay (active suppression of zac and rotations after you gain that lane's tower / dominance to prevent zac from being able to come to his team's aid as easily as shen).

that is why CJ's picks (gragas vs zed with good lane control from rapidstar and a cait nami vs fid ez lane) in the 3rd game were imo the best, but cloudtemplar left shy out to the dogs toplane and he got dove twice relatively early with no consequence for KTB, giving insec the free lane.


Aha, thanks for the insight. But I still dont understand why they didnt ban zac then.
"jk CLG best mindgames using the baron to counterthrow" - boesthius
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
August 21 2013 12:59 GMT
#4565
On August 21 2013 21:58 bokchoi wrote:
KT B scrimmed with Ozone. Frost scrimmed with Blaze. No wonder. l0l

Not even KTA. Now that's cold.
Glorious SEA doto
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
August 21 2013 12:59 GMT
#4566
On August 21 2013 21:57 Chexx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2013 21:55 -Zoda- wrote:
On August 21 2013 21:47 AsnSensation wrote:
Should have let 3.10 Elise open and ban Zac maaaaan Frost I believed, but honestly only Shy played good today.

Props definitely need to be given to Shy imo. He really did the best he could, but there's nothing you can do to outpush a Zac as Shen, it's a matchup thing. AND Zac can interrupt shen's ult so easily, it's a very bad lane imo. He tried in game 3 to go for Sunfire first, but got immediately shut down by Kakao and friends.
Insec played the lane as he should, of course, but the problem for Shy was more the pick than anything else.

Lack of adaptation by Frost lost them the series by quite far. Rapidstar play on top of that...


Thats why I said Vladimir instead of Shen :<

You posted "Vladimir instead of Zac", though, got me too. ^^'
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-21 13:00:11
August 21 2013 12:59 GMT
#4567
On August 21 2013 21:57 Alaric wrote:
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On August 21 2013 21:50 Chexx wrote:
Shy should have picked Vladimir instead of Zac. Same sustain SV incredible helpful too.

What about the multiple AoE cc, non-cleansable initiation, 1550 jumps, %HP spammable AoE damage, on top of the broken sustain?

What about it? Its not like somebody can disable the skills but the lane matchup would be better for Shy.

I did not edit the Vladimir instead of Shen post :<
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bokchoi
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Korea (South)9498 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-21 13:01:46
August 21 2013 13:01 GMT
#4568
LOL inSec

In the Ro8 I killed Muse, in the Ro4 I killed Space. In the finals I will kill Dade.

Edit: Out for blood against your old teammates :[
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
August 21 2013 13:01 GMT
#4569
On August 21 2013 22:01 bokchoi wrote:
LOL inSec

In the Ro8 I killed Muse, in the Ro4 I killed Space. In the finals I will kill Dade.


BUT WHAT ABOUT LONGPANDA?
Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
Disengaged
Profile Joined July 2010
United States6994 Posts
August 21 2013 13:01 GMT
#4570
Monte with the shots fired!
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
August 21 2013 13:02 GMT
#4571
On August 21 2013 22:01 Fionn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2013 22:01 bokchoi wrote:
LOL inSec

In the Ro8 I killed Muse, in the Ro4 I killed Space. In the finals I will kill Dade.


BUT WHAT ABOUT LONGPANDA?

Somewhere in the lost corners of nlb feeding.

KTB will drop out of next season into NLB so insec can hunt him down.
Glorious SEA doto
bokchoi
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Korea (South)9498 Posts
August 21 2013 13:02 GMT
#4572
On August 21 2013 22:01 Fionn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2013 22:01 bokchoi wrote:
LOL inSec

In the Ro8 I killed Muse, in the Ro4 I killed Space. In the finals I will kill Dade.


BUT WHAT ABOUT LONGPANDA?


LongPanda died enough already.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
August 21 2013 13:02 GMT
#4573
On August 21 2013 21:50 Chexx wrote:
Shy should have picked Vladimir instead of Zac. Same sustain SV incredible helpful too.

On August 21 2013 21:57 Chexx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2013 21:55 -Zoda- wrote:
On August 21 2013 21:47 AsnSensation wrote:
Should have let 3.10 Elise open and ban Zac maaaaan Frost I believed, but honestly only Shy played good today.

Props definitely need to be given to Shy imo. He really did the best he could, but there's nothing you can do to outpush a Zac as Shen, it's a matchup thing. AND Zac can interrupt shen's ult so easily, it's a very bad lane imo. He tried in game 3 to go for Sunfire first, but got immediately shut down by Kakao and friends.
Insec played the lane as he should, of course, but the problem for Shy was more the pick than anything else.

Lack of adaptation by Frost lost them the series by quite far. Rapidstar play on top of that...


Thats why I said Vladimir instead of Shen :<

So which one do we listen to? :p
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
August 21 2013 13:02 GMT
#4574
Winter Finals: 0-3 Sword
Spring Semifinals: 0-3 Blaze
Spring Bronze: 0-3 SKT
Summer Semifinals: 0-3 Bullets

And these are the teams Frost would need to beat to make worlds. They have better strategies than Blaze, but their prep is still pretty crap and they have two players who just aren't up to snuff.
Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
August 21 2013 13:05 GMT
#4575
On August 21 2013 22:02 Alaric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2013 21:50 Chexx wrote:
Shy should have picked Vladimir instead of Zac. Same sustain SV incredible helpful too.

Show nested quote +
On August 21 2013 21:57 Chexx wrote:
On August 21 2013 21:55 -Zoda- wrote:
On August 21 2013 21:47 AsnSensation wrote:
Should have let 3.10 Elise open and ban Zac maaaaan Frost I believed, but honestly only Shy played good today.

Props definitely need to be given to Shy imo. He really did the best he could, but there's nothing you can do to outpush a Zac as Shen, it's a matchup thing. AND Zac can interrupt shen's ult so easily, it's a very bad lane imo. He tried in game 3 to go for Sunfire first, but got immediately shut down by Kakao and friends.
Insec played the lane as he should, of course, but the problem for Shy was more the pick than anything else.

Lack of adaptation by Frost lost them the series by quite far. Rapidstar play on top of that...


Thats why I said Vladimir instead of Shen :<

So which one do we listen to? :p


cant remember that dubious post Vlad instead of Shen :^^
WriterFollow me @TL_Chexx
KasPra
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Estonia983 Posts
August 21 2013 13:08 GMT
#4576
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Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
August 21 2013 13:09 GMT
#4577
I think this series needs another Picture for the recap
WriterFollow me @TL_Chexx
dooraven
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia2820 Posts
August 21 2013 13:11 GMT
#4578
Hm, so only one of frost and blaze can go to worlds. Interesting.
Go go Alliance.
skykh
Profile Joined September 2012
3006 Posts
August 21 2013 13:12 GMT
#4579
On August 21 2013 22:11 dooraven wrote:
Hm, so only one of frost and blaze can go to worlds. Interesting.


If they play like that it's probaly ozone/skt1/ktb will go to the worlds (if najin doesnt qualify)
Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
August 21 2013 13:14 GMT
#4580
if shen leads zac, the lane is a fucking nightmare for zac and his team. you get straight zoned off creeps and he can freely ult to give his team the 5v4 initiate when they want it.

we saw a hint of what could have been in game 1, but insec god lucky with a back or two that could have easily seen him die instead and the rest of frost's team was so far behind that shy was unable to give any meaningful advantage to his team while insec instead caught up and exceeded him in farm and pushed down shy's tower first.
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