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Artok
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands2219 Posts
July 01 2013 13:02 GMT
#2301
On July 01 2013 22:00 Redox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2013 21:46 Artok wrote:
On July 01 2013 21:45 StarStruck wrote:
On July 01 2013 12:03 wei2coolman wrote:
On July 01 2013 12:02 Letmelose wrote:
Shit, I cut into my sleeping hours trying to catch the new line-up for NiP, slept throught most of the match, finally gave up then woke up late to find out I apparently missed what was one hell of a match between CLG and TSM.

THE BEST GAME EVER.
NA might be worst region; but god damn do we have entertaining fucking matches.


Couldn't say it any better. I stay for the throws.

tbh, eu looks worse than na, i dont even know why people keep saying that na is the worst everrr.

Because they watched the games.

so did i, and whenever i watch eu games i feel like suciding.
Chun-li since ST
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
July 01 2013 13:23 GMT
#2302
On July 01 2013 22:02 Artok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2013 22:00 Redox wrote:
On July 01 2013 21:46 Artok wrote:
On July 01 2013 21:45 StarStruck wrote:
On July 01 2013 12:03 wei2coolman wrote:
On July 01 2013 12:02 Letmelose wrote:
Shit, I cut into my sleeping hours trying to catch the new line-up for NiP, slept throught most of the match, finally gave up then woke up late to find out I apparently missed what was one hell of a match between CLG and TSM.

THE BEST GAME EVER.
NA might be worst region; but god damn do we have entertaining fucking matches.


Couldn't say it any better. I stay for the throws.

tbh, eu looks worse than na, i dont even know why people keep saying that na is the worst everrr.

Because they watched the games.

so did i, and whenever i watch eu games i feel like suciding.


I didn't catch all the EU games, but from what I saw it's pretty :V too. Nothing can top the amount of moments in the NA scene though, but it makes it fun to watch. :>
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
July 01 2013 14:41 GMT
#2303
Not sure how Dyrus is considered a professional LoL player tbh
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22445 Posts
July 01 2013 15:24 GMT
#2304
Dyrus failure to defend 2 (or was it all 3?) inhibs from Nien really cost TSM the game. He didnt even try to keep him away just some half hearted poke. Why not all in on that last inhib. If they lost it they wouldnt come back anyway.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Dgiese
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2687 Posts
July 01 2013 16:05 GMT
#2305
That's not dyrus' fault, it's whoever made the call for kennen to go defend against elise (presumably regi). Thank god for the unofficial vod... mlg still hasn't uploaded their version. The end of that game is epic, but minutes 20-50ish are a snoozefest.

I think CLG's urgot comp needs some theoretical work before they play it again... big leads agaisnt TSM and China but unable to capitalize on them. Maybe it was just the team not following thru on pre-planned strats, but I don't think that was the case (considering the reminder the C9 game gave them about that).
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
July 01 2013 16:07 GMT
#2306
At least clg made an effort to stick to their plan and Link basically camped bot all game to splitpush and didn't get impatient and decided to force weird teamfights like against cloud 9 although they itemized for splitpush
ExoFun
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands2041 Posts
July 01 2013 16:19 GMT
#2307
On July 02 2013 00:24 Gorsameth wrote:
Dyrus failure to defend 2 (or was it all 3?) inhibs from Nien really cost TSM the game. He didnt even try to keep him away just some half hearted poke. Why not all in on that last inhib. If they lost it they wouldnt come back anyway.

Yea that part i didnt understand.. he only went in when nien took his second inhib in a 1vs1. It looked like Dyrus didnt had enough confidence to go for the 1on1 with Nien. (because after that you see clearly that dyrus could take him easily)

And the run on mid was so stupid from Dyrus. He maybe could have kitted the group of minions to give TSM the seconds to finish the game but he went full retard/asperge mode.
Headshot
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1656 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-01 16:27:20
July 01 2013 16:25 GMT
#2308
Dyrus performs well: best top lane NA, so conistant! Dyrus makes a mistake: how is this guy even pro!? You guys are worse than Reddit sometimes.

And the sloppy play from both NA and EU every week makes me really sad. Worlds is going to be a joke.
-
ExoFun
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands2041 Posts
July 01 2013 16:27 GMT
#2309
On July 02 2013 01:25 Headshot wrote:
Dyrus performs well, best top lane NA! Dyrus makes a mistake, how is this guy even pro!? You guys are worse than Reddit sometimes.

Gj Fanboi of TSM. But he self stated on reddit he got 3 calls from his team and thats why he went mid.

He is now playing 2.5 years LoL and still not make the judgement on his own. That is in my eyes insecurity of his game.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
July 01 2013 16:30 GMT
#2310
On July 02 2013 01:27 ExoFun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2013 01:25 Headshot wrote:
Dyrus performs well, best top lane NA! Dyrus makes a mistake, how is this guy even pro!? You guys are worse than Reddit sometimes.

Gj Fanboi of TSM. But he self stated on reddit he got 3 calls from his team and thats why he went mid.

He is now playing 2.5 years LoL and still not make the judgement on his own. That is in my eyes insecurity of his game.

Easy there, ExoFun.

But yes, Dyrus is not exactly a confident player. He can be and that's obviously when he plays his best. But 90% of the time, I feel like he's a meek player and he only reacts to what his team tells him. Unwavering faith to your team captain can be good and bad. In Dyrus's case, I see a lot more of the latter than former.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
SimulatedAnneal
Profile Joined March 2012
765 Posts
July 01 2013 16:30 GMT
#2311
On July 02 2013 01:27 ExoFun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2013 01:25 Headshot wrote:
Dyrus performs well, best top lane NA! Dyrus makes a mistake, how is this guy even pro!? You guys are worse than Reddit sometimes.

Gj Fanboi of TSM. But he self stated on reddit he got 3 calls from his team and thats why he went mid.

He is now playing 2.5 years LoL and still not make the judgement on his own. That is in my eyes insecurity of his game.


How many times does "you always follow calls even if they're wrong" need to be said?
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
July 01 2013 16:33 GMT
#2312
On July 02 2013 01:30 SimulatedAnneal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2013 01:27 ExoFun wrote:
On July 02 2013 01:25 Headshot wrote:
Dyrus performs well, best top lane NA! Dyrus makes a mistake, how is this guy even pro!? You guys are worse than Reddit sometimes.

Gj Fanboi of TSM. But he self stated on reddit he got 3 calls from his team and thats why he went mid.

He is now playing 2.5 years LoL and still not make the judgement on his own. That is in my eyes insecurity of his game.


How many times does "you always follow calls even if they're wrong" need to be said?

In a vacuum, yes, even I agree with that statement.

In the case of Dyrus trying to Nien, you can really, really tell by his movements that he doubted his ability to fight Nien 1v1 while Nien was pummeling his mid inhib. He still followed through, don't get me wrong.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
Headshot
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1656 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-01 16:39:21
July 01 2013 16:37 GMT
#2313
On July 02 2013 01:27 ExoFun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2013 01:25 Headshot wrote:
Dyrus performs well, best top lane NA! Dyrus makes a mistake, how is this guy even pro!? You guys are worse than Reddit sometimes.

Gj Fanboi of TSM. But he self stated on reddit he got 3 calls from his team and thats why he went mid.

He is now playing 2.5 years LoL and still not make the judgement on his own. That is in my eyes insecurity of his game.

I'm a fanboy because I can take a step back and point out rash generalizations? Dyrus following the calls made by the shot-caller will be for the best the majority of the time (depending on how you feel about Regi's calls). This time he made a mistake on how he executed the call. Mistakes happen. Of course this says something about Dyrus' mindset, but even if he isn't the most confidant player sometimes, that doesn't mean that he doesn't mean that he's bad, or shouldn't be pro.

Both teams made good plays throughout the game, but what we should really be focusing on is how shaky TSM and CLG looked overall and what this means for the NA scene.
-
Lylat
Profile Joined August 2009
France8575 Posts
July 01 2013 16:50 GMT
#2314
Just finished watching CLG vs TSM omg what an intense game, really great ! But wtf did they do at the end ? Why not backing once the CLG inhib was down and defending the base ? Dyrus played really bad overall but I don't think his mistake of leaving the base cost them the game since after the triple CLG was going to end anyway.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22445 Posts
July 01 2013 17:08 GMT
#2315
On July 02 2013 01:37 Headshot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2013 01:27 ExoFun wrote:
On July 02 2013 01:25 Headshot wrote:
Dyrus performs well, best top lane NA! Dyrus makes a mistake, how is this guy even pro!? You guys are worse than Reddit sometimes.

Gj Fanboi of TSM. But he self stated on reddit he got 3 calls from his team and thats why he went mid.

He is now playing 2.5 years LoL and still not make the judgement on his own. That is in my eyes insecurity of his game.

I'm a fanboy because I can take a step back and point out rash generalizations? Dyrus following the calls made by the shot-caller will be for the best the majority of the time (depending on how you feel about Regi's calls). This time he made a mistake on how he executed the call. Mistakes happen. Of course this says something about Dyrus' mindset, but even if he isn't the most confidant player sometimes, that doesn't mean that he doesn't mean that he's bad, or shouldn't be pro.

Both teams made good plays throughout the game, but what we should really be focusing on is how shaky TSM and CLG looked overall and what this means for the NA scene.


My problem isnt with Dyrus being sent to defend the inhibs. My problem is him letting Nien take both without any effort to stop him. Regi isnt telling him to do nothing. he does that all by himself. Either he all-ins Nien and stops him or he dies. There is a chance he will win.
By not doing anything he handed CLG the game on a silver plate since there was no way TSM could defend there nexus with no towers and no inhibs while also pushing CLG's base.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-01 17:14:42
July 01 2013 17:12 GMT
#2316
I feel like after Nien finished off the 3 inhibs the game was won for clg anyway, it's almost impossible to come back from that with only 1 Nexus tower remaining, they had an opening and probably called Dyrus for an all-in gamble push. Kennen alone can't hold 2 waves with 4 superminions.

Had Turtle, Oddone and Xpecial based, Clg would have respawned and pushed in with 20.000 creeps for an easy victory.

If JiJi didn't kill Reginald though, it might have been a different story with 4 v Nien and Karthus easily holding those waves with defile and 900 Ap Qs. So mad props again to King Jiji for finishing off Regi and Chauster had a clutch tornado on Turtle which prevented Jiji from dying before killing him.

edit: Doublelift played absolute shit lategame and had very questionable itemization. (Randuins vs 3 ap, no qss/merc scim)
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
July 01 2013 17:15 GMT
#2317
On July 02 2013 02:12 AsnSensation wrote:
I feel like after Nien finished off the 3 inhibs the game was won for clg anyway, it's almost impossible to come back from that with only 1 Nexus tower remaining, they had an opening and probably called Dyrus for an all-in gamble push. Kennen alone can't hold 2 waves with 4 superminions.

Had Turtle, Oddone and Xpecial based, Clg would have respawned and pushed in with 20.000 creeps for an easy victory.

If JiJi didn't kill Reginald though, it might have been a different story with 4 v Nien and Karthus easily holding those waves with defile and 900 Ap Qs. So mad props again to King Jiji for finishing off Regi and Chauster had a clutch tornado on Turtle which prevented Jiji from dying before killing him.

edit: Doublelift played absolute shit lategame and had very questionable itemization. (Randuins vs 3 ap, no qss/merc scim)

Yeah, I was really concerned that Jiji wasn't going to get the kill on Karthus. Those full tank Noc AAs weren't doing shit lol.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
July 01 2013 17:38 GMT
#2318
On July 02 2013 01:37 Headshot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2013 01:27 ExoFun wrote:
On July 02 2013 01:25 Headshot wrote:
Dyrus performs well, best top lane NA! Dyrus makes a mistake, how is this guy even pro!? You guys are worse than Reddit sometimes.

Gj Fanboi of TSM. But he self stated on reddit he got 3 calls from his team and thats why he went mid.

He is now playing 2.5 years LoL and still not make the judgement on his own. That is in my eyes insecurity of his game.

I'm a fanboy because I can take a step back and point out rash generalizations? Dyrus following the calls made by the shot-caller will be for the best the majority of the time (depending on how you feel about Regi's calls). This time he made a mistake on how he executed the call. Mistakes happen. Of course this says something about Dyrus' mindset, but even if he isn't the most confidant player sometimes, that doesn't mean that he doesn't mean that he's bad, or shouldn't be pro.

Both teams made good plays throughout the game, but what we should really be focusing on is how shaky TSM and CLG looked overall and what this means for the NA scene.


I think it means...NA still blows like always but is super entertaining to watch, lol
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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
July 01 2013 17:39 GMT
#2319
Jiji should really consider building some sort of damage item, esp on a champion like Nocturne (DARKNESSSSSS).
I mean yes, I realize that he would have died at Dragon if he didn't go full tank but there have been plenty of times where his paltry auto attacks just make any CLG fan cringe. He's gotten pretty lucky so far and manage to get that last hit into whenever he needs it but still...
BC is probably his best choice? Gives him what he needs on the offensive end and CDR+HP. BC plz jiji.

Jesus, fucking, christ, Doublelift. I guess for every 9 games he carries CLG, the team has to carry him at least once. Real dora the explorer mode (it honestly look like he a-moved into 4 TSM at one point in the game) and Omen build against Karthus, Kennen, Varus? wei2coolman suggest Warmog's but I think Banshee's would have been better. But ffs, Omen?!
/sigh
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Kuja900
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3564 Posts
July 01 2013 17:41 GMT
#2320
On July 02 2013 01:25 Headshot wrote:
Dyrus performs well: best top lane NA, so conistant! Dyrus makes a mistake: how is this guy even pro!? You guys are worse than Reddit sometimes.

And the sloppy play from both NA and EU every week makes me really sad. Worlds is going to be a joke.


You can't be the best top lane when your so passive imo. The strongest is the one who forces their opponent to make the most errors not the one who is usually evenish in cs.
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