I would like to add, that while the excuse of "nien is new to toplane" is partly valid, he has played a ton of Vlad games back when he was orbibt/c9's mid so it's not like he had to learn vlad in the last 2 weeks.

Cris straight up outclassed him

onlywonderboy

United States23745 Posts

June 13 2013 15:05 GMT

#1002

On June 13 2013 22:23 NeoIllusions wrote:

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As a CLG fan, I can say that's entirely in the realm of possibility right now. They need to figure out what's wrong and act fast.
Nien's Vlad pick is wonky, that's all I'm going to say. Luckily, MonteCristo has offered to talk to Nien about how to play Vlad and some other Top Lane champions and I hope to god Nien takes that offer. jiji is ok and I say ok with all mediocrity. He missed his Smite against Nk Inc and that's really not acceptable, that just wrecked his early game and he certainly didn't recover like SSJ Meteos. CLG shouldn't even think about Worlds right now, there's so much more to fix atm.

C9, they're the real deal and if CLG can't perform, these guys are my boys. Meteos is getting a ton of hype so I'll avoid talking about him for a little bit. Let's talk about Sneaky and how much this guy's improved in the past few months. On Dig B, he was literally a nobody. He didn't stand out and didn't look exceptional. Now with Lemon and C9, Sneaky's picks start to look more impressive. Jayce is by far Sneaky's personal signature ADC champion and he does it well. On Day 1, he's shown he can Draven with the best of them. Pay attention to this guy's positioning in lane and in team fights. He wrecked so far in team fight but no one noticed because of focking lightning rat stunning everyone.

Top Lanes, Zion and Cris, pretty good performances by both of them. It will and it has always come down to consistency. At League's infancy, each region had their respective role strengths. CN with ADCs, EU with Mid Lane, NA was, at one point, both Top and Jungler. Top quickly got toppled by Koreans and our Junglers really stagnated. But I think as this split continues, we can see a resurgence of strong Top Lanes again, and of course, Meteos. hue

Hey man, Sneaky took second place in that one SoloMid invitational on Pulse, who you calling a nobody?

/hue

nafta

Bulgaria18893 Posts

June 13 2013 15:20 GMT

#1003

Isn't it pretty obvious chauster has been clg's problem?Basically he taught doublelift how to not be a retard and they decided that chauster was some tactical genius when in reality he is worse than elementz.He was the worst jungler last lcs now he is the worst support.I mean this guy said "I hate mechanical players and I think everyone should have the mechanics at top level"
when he can't land a point blank thresh hook on someone who doesn't see him.

Not even gonna start talking about how their 2v2 wasn't even close to what they describe.All I hear is that they were gods when that is just wrong.Doublelift had better cs because he didn't miss cs for no reason and that's it.They were good yes but back then noone was good.

wei2coolman

United States60033 Posts

June 13 2013 16:19 GMT

#1004

Its like you expect usain bolt to run a sub 10sec 100m after training solely for swimming for like 6 months. With that being said, Chauster's choice in Thresh was really dumb; shoulda played something he was comfortable with, like Janna.
The reason I think top stagnated for so long had to do with NA overvaluing utility top laners over carry top laners. I think recent top lane changes have made aggressive top laners shine. Btw calling cris to carry the shit out of VES.

SnK-Arcbound

United States4423 Posts

June 13 2013 16:46 GMT

#1005

Or it's because they were bad and had no reason to get better. Why the fuck was hotshot CLG's top for this extra 1.5 years?

Gorsameth

Netherlands22308 Posts

June 13 2013 16:51 GMT

#1006

On June 14 2013 01:46 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
Or it's because they were bad and had no reason to get better. Why the fuck was hotshot CLG's top for this extra 1.5 years?

Because he owns the team? :p

Headshot

United States1656 Posts

June 13 2013 18:24 GMT

#1007

I think that Hotshot should've stayed on the starting roster, but I can imagine that I'm very alone in thinking that. ^^

wei2coolman

United States60033 Posts

June 13 2013 18:51 GMT

#1008

On June 14 2013 03:24 Headshot wrote:
I think that Hotshot should've stayed on the starting roster, but I can imagine that I'm very alone in thinking that. ^^

Whats your reasoning for this? are you comparing HotshotGG to nien?

Mensol

14536 Posts

June 13 2013 19:14 GMT

#1009

CLG > dignitas
CLG > Coast

i believe...

i want to believe.

Kuja900

United States3564 Posts

June 13 2013 19:17 GMT

#1010

so pumped for c9 vs curse i hope its not a romp in either direction

Sandster

United States4054 Posts

June 13 2013 19:19 GMT

#1011

On June 14 2013 04:17 Kuja900 wrote:
so pumped for c9 vs curse i hope its not a romp in either direction

I hope it's a good game too, but based on how they played yesterday curse is hopelessly outclassed unless they really get their stuff together. They're capable to playing better than they did yesterday and I hope they do.

Slow Motion

United States6960 Posts

June 13 2013 19:20 GMT

#1012

On June 14 2013 04:14 Mensol wrote:
CLG > dignitas
CLG > Coast

i believe...

i want to believe.

Man I hope they 2v1 Zion or it's gonna be ugly for Nien up there lol.

agentx3

United States64 Posts

June 13 2013 19:24 GMT

#1013

Expecting to see an Evelyn Jungle and some more Nami support as both are extremely strong at the moment. It is actually to no surprise that C9 ran Kennen/Ryze as if you have been paying attention to what they've been playing Kenen/Ryze/Zac is one of their go to comps.

In Korea, Kennen is pretty much banned or 1st picked every match. It is surprising that TSM said they got outpicked this game, which I believe they did, seeing as they scrimmed C9 a lot. The one thing I see working well against Kennen so far in Korea when it is picked has been going Karthus + Janna for disengage with Janna Ult into Karthus Wall + reengage. Even if Janna ult is not up, Karthus wants people to go into him so it still serves a purpose. I think teams are favoring Sona/Thresh so much that they are ignoring how another support may be better for their specific comp. Jayce will continue to be permanently banned against teams that play him. He is just ridiculous in mid right now and not bad top lane. I would like to see what C9 plays if Elise/Kennen/Jayce are banned against them. I would expect Hai to play either Zed/Kha/TF, assuming they are first pick they would most likely go for Thresh. Now, you can assume that they still prefer Zac/Ryze/Draven/Zed and will be looking to pick those with their next picks. Thresh + Draven lane would be a terror in lane phase but, there are ways to play against it such as lane swapping and forcing fast turret. Zed has been nerfed so I don't think he is an issue at all. Ryze mid can be countered and he shouldn't be a problem either. I would much rather play against these picks (assuming these are their preferences) than the comps they have already shown. Another option is to leave Kennen, Elise and Thresh all open.

Caphe

Vietnam10817 Posts

June 13 2013 19:24 GMT

#1014

If C9 manage a flawless performance today than I am sold as a fan. These guys are freaking good. So pumped!!
Also, inb4 Kennen ban every game.
Yesterday he was either ban or 1st, but I suspect he will be Korean TF level now and get ban 100% of the game.

NeoIllusions

United States37500 Posts

June 13 2013 19:31 GMT

#1015

The biggest issue with C9 is that that all their players are rather flexible in picks but more importantly, they're all very strong at picking champions that excel at team fighting (with the exception of Hai, who leans towards assassin picks).

If Elise/Kennen/Jayce are banned, I'd expect
Meteos: default Zac but he can Nocturne too (and force an AoE comp by C9)
Hai: Zed, TF, Kha'Zix
Balls: Ryze, Rumble
bot lane can pick w/e they want.

I mentioned before that Sneaky didn't look all that impressive on Dig B but paired with Lemon, the two complement each other very well and I'm eager to see if team will ever focus on their bot lane. As it is now, Hai, Meteos and Balls essentially ensure that Sneaky is well protected at all times.

Diamond plays a redonkulous Jungle Eve but it's mind boggling why it's not catching on more yet. Granted, Eve is a nuisance and requires much more finesse (and timing) to play than say J4.

agentx3

United States64 Posts

June 13 2013 19:35 GMT

#1016

Rumble and Zed have both been nerfed, so playing against either wouldn't be as scary as Elise/Kennen/Jayce. I know Hai plays TF but, his TF has been so-so thus far and TF was recently nerfed as well. He seems to be much more comfortable on Zed and Khazhix, both which have very obvious and counterable weaknesses. I think Balls has been practicing Vlad recently in light of the Rumble nerfs. I do not think Rumble is a top tier pick anymore and Vlad top is so-so, will be much better Mid after 3.8 with the jungle changes.