EPT[IPL] IPL5 Discussion - Page 177
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
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Volband
Hungary6034 Posts
On December 01 2012 13:47 TwoToneTerran wrote: TSM should start picking apart these weaker teams for better members if they want to remain relevant. I'm not huge fan of TSM but I think they have the best infrastructure to support a good NA team thanks to their site income. No joke though I think Chaox and Regi need to re evaluate their play or hit the bench. Scalp meat for Pobelter and Fear for Aphro or somethin. I'm not sure if Chaox should be replaced. He has his moments sometimes, and I think there's potential in him. Regi is a joke though, but he's been for a long time. | ||
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smOOthMayDie
United States997 Posts
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oogieogie
United States3657 Posts
On December 01 2012 13:51 smOOthMayDie wrote: Is fear vs MP a re-run...? I think so | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On December 01 2012 13:46 Dan HH wrote: I think this is the first time M5 is meeting a Korean team in a tournament. Yeah, it's the first time they'll play a Korean team at a LAN. On December 01 2012 13:47 TwoToneTerran wrote: TSM should start picking apart these weaker teams for better members if they want to remain relevant. I'm not huge fan of TSM but I think they have the best infrastructure to support a good NA team thanks to their site income. No joke though I think Chaox and Regi need to re evaluate their play or hit the bench. Scalp meat for Pobelter and Fear for Aphro or somethin. Chaox isn't incredible or anything but he's been solid for awhile. A few bad tournaments isn't grounds to bench him. Regi is the only one who consistently seems to under perform imo. TSM is one of my least favorite NA teams but I don't think they need to bench their players. Their strength has almost always been their team work and synergy. Sure, Regi or Chaox or Dyrus aren't stand out players who ooze amazing skill. But they play well together and TOO/Xpecial are really good at supporting those three. You can't just take one of them out, replace them with an all star player, and expect them to magically improve. Even if they replaced Regi with a really good AP carry if that carry doesn't synergize with how Chaox/Dyrus likes to play it'll just cause more problems than it'll fix. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On December 01 2012 13:50 Volband wrote: I'm not sure if Chaox should be replaced. He has his moments sometimes, and I think there's potential in him. Regi is a joke though, but he's been for a long time. Chaox is completely clueless about how to abuse a lead, and it's not like his teamfights are good enough to even be notable. Part of this might also have to do with xpecial being unpracticed at being aggressive with support. That's their entire problem, really, they epitomize what makes TSM weak -- passive, reactive play. Chaox got fed first blood then lost his lane to corki. In back to back cleanups in fights he gave up kills he had red buff/phage procs on for no reason (as they killed or had vision of everyone who could save). Chaox was fine back when the meta was aggression = bad, now he's horrid because when people lane swap, you can guarantee that TSM does not have the confidence, and maybe doesn't even have the ability, to force a kill and dive in a 2v1 lane. My problem is only partly to do with his overall performance in the recent tournaments. The vast majority of my problem is how he plays. He's the least carrying Carry player in the NA scene. | ||
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Dan HH
Romania9243 Posts
Curse vs Curse fratricide TPA vs SGS bringing the SEA rivalry across the pond WE vs CLG EU rematch of the longest Bo3 in history Fnatic vs CLG NA season 1 oldies that used to meet all the time in IEMs last year M5 vs AZB first time M5 meets a Korean team | ||
onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On December 01 2012 13:54 Dan HH wrote: So many storylines tommorow: Curse vs Curse fratricide TPA vs SGS bringing the SEA rivalry across the pond WE vs CLG EU rematch of the longest Bo3 in history Fnatic vs CLG NA season 1 oldies that used to meet all the time in IEMs last year M5 vs AZB first time M5 meets a Korean team Much more interesting than the NA vs NA games we had this morning haha. | ||
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udgnim
United States8024 Posts
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SimulatedAnneal
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Goragoth
New Zealand1065 Posts
On December 01 2012 13:44 overt wrote: He should retire and then come back a day later and be like, "nah jk no one can replace me." I feel like TPA probably gonna be the team that comes up from the losers bracket. I also think that Fnatic will very likely beat CLGna into losers. I wanna see WE take it against CLGeu. They need vengeance for their near-win five day series. Pretty sure WE should beat CLG.EU with ease this time around. They are looking far more on point than at the S2 WC (especially Clearlove is looking much better but also the whole team feels more cohesive) while CLG.EU look a little weaker if anything. Should be a 2-0 or at worst 2-1 victory from WE unless I'm seriously misjudging the strength of the two teams right now. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
Hopefully their nerves are more stable than that, but no guarantees. Also, the discussion yesterday of where Chinese second-tier teams placed in relation to NA/EU is kind of hilarious looking at today's results. Pretty much any second-tier Chinese team has better results vs. Korean teams than TSM does, and TSM is still definitively one of the top 3-4 NA teams. | ||
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Leeto
United States1320 Posts
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dizzy101
Netherlands2066 Posts
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JBright
Vancouver14381 Posts
On December 01 2012 14:42 dizzy101 wrote: From the OP, it's pretty hard to find out exactly where in the tournament we are, and who's still in. It requires lots of clicking, hiding and unhiding all those spoiler tags. Can't TL-LOL borrow a page from the liquipedia to have a little bracket? I'm surprised people actually read it since we've had so many questions asking things that were answered there already. But you're right, it is lacking something so I linked the brackets near the top of the OP. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On December 01 2012 14:30 TheYango wrote: If WE loses, it's going to be because of the psychological factor of having lost to them before putting them on tilt. Hopefully their nerves are more stable than that, but no guarantees. Also, the discussion yesterday of where Chinese second-tier teams placed in relation to NA/EU is kind of hilarious looking at today's results. Pretty much any second-tier Chinese team has better results vs. Korean teams than TSM does, and TSM is still definitively one of the top 3-4 NA teams. Depends on what you think are tier 1 / tier 2 teams for NA / EU. I think TSM is a tier 2 team when taking NA / EU together. Course, NA LoL is just sad. | ||
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daemir
Finland8662 Posts
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KissBlade
United States5718 Posts
On December 01 2012 15:18 daemir wrote: Just woke up and checked results, Fnatic over TPA, holy moly! Were the games good? To be honest, TPA played a bit ... questionably. They're good if you're a Fnatic fan since they've been considered a free win this tourney. | ||
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TheSinisterRed
United States1546 Posts
On December 01 2012 15:21 KissBlade wrote: To be honest, TPA played a bit ... questionably. They're good if you're a Fnatic fan since they've been considered a free win this tourney. I would still say the games were good, from what I saw of them. | ||
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De4ngus
United States6533 Posts
On December 01 2012 15:21 KissBlade wrote: To be honest, TPA played a bit ... questionably. They're good if you're a Fnatic fan since they've been considered a free win this tourney. -_- the games were really good. fnatic played so well. | ||
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