On the rule infraction penalties, they're pretty reasonable. 20% prize loss. I don't believe that frost would've lost to TSM regardless of whether they saw that or not so any more severe penalty isn't really warranted.

StUfF

Australia1437 Posts

October 11 2012 00:56 GMT

#12643

On October 11 2012 09:37 Artok wrote:

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On October 11 2012 09:32 StUfF wrote:

On October 11 2012 09:15 Artok wrote:

On October 11 2012 09:12 StUfF wrote:

On October 11 2012 08:59 Artok wrote:

On October 11 2012 08:57 TheKefka wrote:
TSM needs to shut up about this because a lvl 1 fight does not decide the game outright.
I cheered for TSM to win but they lost because they played like shit,nothing more nothing less.

It doesn't decide neither the game, which regame would suggest, nor the outcome of the whole series, which dq would suggest, I don't even know why is tsm so popular with such silly whiny players ;O

I've watched plenty of games where level 1 fights steamroll the rest of the game. In the end there's no way ANYONE knows how the game would have went if they didn't look. Could TSM have won that game? YES. That's the point of a regame, no-one knows how the game would have went so you start a whole new game, that is the only fair way to do it.

For the DQ. DQ is for cheating. If cheating is only a monetary fine, this communicates with everyone that cheating is OK. All you need to do is pay some money for it. This should never be the case. When $1 million dollars is on the line, and cheating can give you an advantage, why wouldn't you cheat for 20% of that? That 20% would only get deducted if you get caught. This is a clear message to competitors they should try to cheat. Massive advantages if they don't get caught, monetary deduction if they get caught. There's no downside.

They could have killed support, not the game winner at all. If they would want to dq cheaters, would have to dq tsm, azf, we etc., not many team would be there to play, because dq'ing only the teams that won would be beyond retarded. There are way too many examples in real sports where someone cheated (faked penalty etc), where the player gets fined or forbidden to play, team doesn't get dq'd ever, it's just sheer stupid dreams of tsm fanboys.

Like I said. There's no way no one can tell what that support kill could have evolved to. How it would have affected the mentality of the players, how it would have caused each team to play differently, because we don't know the only fair way to determine it is to play again.

You are helping me prove my point. When there are incidents with minor penalties they keep happening, dangerous play/flopping etc. when players get minor fines/no penalty these incidents keep happening. You conveniently ignore major infractions, which have much worse penalties. Teams have had championships revoked, players have been banned from sports permanently, a team had all their ladder points set to 0 because they cheating that season. Guess what, these events are rare because the punishments are not worth the risk.

So what is your solution? Dq every team that cheated and turn world finals into an even bigger fiasco?

To be honest. The best competitive solution would be just to redo the whole thing, but I understand that some things are just logistically impossible. Everyone probably has their own subjective opinion on what the punishment/what should be done, I believe what has been done is not enough incentive to stop people from cheating - I do put alot of the blame on riot just for making it so easy to cheat and not actually enforcing their rules, if their refs were actually watching the players they would have been caught instantly.

I would like minimum regame for TSM vs AZF for game 2 (but I would like a rematch since it's been so long) , WE vs CLG should have been a new Bo3. The other problems are with games that have already eliminated teams, they can't really regame those unless they restart the tournament, monetary fines for these teams and punishments going in S3 (start off with negative points? something that is more longer lasting than just a simple money fine). note: this is for confirmed cheaters after a detailed investigation of audio/game replays/audio logs etc.

Lmui

Canada6223 Posts

October 11 2012 00:56 GMT

#12644

Wickd's jayce build is scary as balls. Poke until someone hard engages and then nuke the divers. So much damage on his jayce O__O

Sermokala

United States14161 Posts

October 11 2012 00:56 GMT

#12645

On October 11 2012 09:54 Dusty wrote:
Deman reading TL? Now he's trying to pronounce it* correctly haha

*it being WeiXiao

He actualy on team liquid. Way back in the day at iem china they used team liquid for questions during a break beacuse fb and twitter don't work in china. If you check at the pages right before day 3 he posts saying hes sat down and getting ready for it.

HazMat

United States17077 Posts

October 11 2012 00:57 GMT

#12646

On October 11 2012 09:52 Gorsameth wrote:
Think that may well be fatal for WE. Sad that the series has to end like this, i feel WE was the stronger team overall.
Plus CLG is going to make every game they play boring. even if there 30k ahead ><

Why do you say WE is a stronger team? If they win this game then they technically won a bo5. This is the S2 finals, whoever wins is better.

AsnSensation

Germany24009 Posts

October 11 2012 00:57 GMT

#12647

Shiiit son froggen tanking the tower and pete attacking it

No :" yellowpete hit the damn tower for gods sake man" :D

MooMooMugi

United States10531 Posts

October 11 2012 00:57 GMT

#12648

Inc turtle till 50 mins

GARO

United States2255 Posts

October 11 2012 00:57 GMT

#12649

LOL the baron timer was going backwards

Dandel Ion

Austria17960 Posts

October 11 2012 00:58 GMT

#12650

Now that I concentrate on it, Deman actually pronounces the chiense names (Weixiao, caomei) way better than he did on day 3.

Maybe somebody coached him during the week.
His Caomei pronounciation bugged me on day3, now he does it (more) right