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MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
October 03 2011 04:22 GMT
#581
Udyr kills Vayne after catching her at her wraiths. Burns Flash, but Vayne burned Exhaust for nothing.
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
October 03 2011 04:22 GMT
#582
Wriggles + 2 Dorans gives you enough sustain to sit in lane for 1 million years and farm forever. Bad Beats for Ehome though, DC's still is more proof that something needs to be done with game stability.
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taLbuk
Profile Joined April 2010
Madagascar1879 Posts
October 03 2011 04:26 GMT
#583
really though, that d/c changed the game drastically imho
JBright
Profile Joined September 2010
Vancouver14381 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-03 04:28:02
October 03 2011 04:26 GMT
#584
Wow. great flash tibbers by Annie. she was waiting in dragon den right onto most of eHome

edit: another great global ult by Mikakotabe. Ez ult both vayne and nocturne to set up the kills for singed and udyr
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MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
October 03 2011 04:26 GMT
#585
iG catches Noc, and forces a fight. As eHOME chases, Annie flashes in with Tibbers Stun and Ez+Janna+Udyr cleans up. Ouch!
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oooo27
Profile Joined October 2010
342 Posts
October 03 2011 04:27 GMT
#586
and that is why double ad doesnt wokr
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
October 03 2011 04:27 GMT
#587
Vayne and Noc gets baited by Singed. Udyr runs in, and they walk into Ez ult. Both die.

Trist + Sona pushing bot, but iG takes the chance to take free Baron.
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Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
October 03 2011 04:28 GMT
#588
iG takes Baron, while Ehome takes bot turret. Not a good trade.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
October 03 2011 04:28 GMT
#589
On October 03 2011 13:27 oooo27 wrote:
and that is why double ad doesnt wokr

Because when you play double AD, your jungler DCs?
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Theoren
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada810 Posts
October 03 2011 04:28 GMT
#590
Wow iG just dominating even after such a terrible start.
luckybeni2
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany1065 Posts
October 03 2011 04:29 GMT
#591
Nocturne seems to either lagg really bad or he's not a very good player (or he has a very bad day)...
oooo27
Profile Joined October 2010
342 Posts
October 03 2011 04:30 GMT
#592
On October 03 2011 13:28 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2011 13:27 oooo27 wrote:
and that is why double ad doesnt wokr

Because when you play double AD, your jungler DCs?


because if you play double ad, you have no ap and the enemy team can just stack armor
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
October 03 2011 04:30 GMT
#593
On October 03 2011 13:28 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2011 13:27 oooo27 wrote:
and that is why double ad doesnt wokr

Because when you play double AD, your jungler DCs?

That wasnt the problem. Problem was that EH was unable to capitalize enough on the awkward phase where singed was going to be unable to farm. As soon as he hit 6 and got cata he was free to shift to any lane and do just fine. Now they are in the phase with a farmed singed, prior to farmed ad carries.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
October 03 2011 04:31 GMT
#594
Trist gets melted bot lane by Annie and iG takes bot turret. Noc+Vayne pushing top.

iG Singed+Annie+Janna kill Sona bot.

Ez+Udyr kill Noc and Vayne top.

eHOME really need to drag this game out.

Trist comes back to defend bot turret but Singed+Janna+Annie just melt her again...
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MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
October 03 2011 04:33 GMT
#595
I'm really disliking that BT from Trist. Singed has Thornmail. He's going to be untouchable. Udyr has Frozen Heart and Wits End.

This is why double AD doesn't work too well. Thornmail+Frozen Heart shuts down so hard...
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
October 03 2011 04:33 GMT
#596
On October 03 2011 13:30 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2011 13:28 TheYango wrote:
On October 03 2011 13:27 oooo27 wrote:
and that is why double ad doesnt wokr

Because when you play double AD, your jungler DCs?

That wasnt the problem. Problem was that EH was unable to capitalize enough on the awkward phase where singed was going to be unable to farm. As soon as he hit 6 and got cata he was free to shift to any lane and do just fine. Now they are in the phase with a farmed singed, prior to farmed ad carries.

I mean, they had the momentum early-midgame, and had the means to push it till Lucky DCed. Following that they made several bad misplays before Lucky reconnected, and by that point, they were really far behind.
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Misder
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1557 Posts
October 03 2011 04:33 GMT
#597
eHome needed to survive midgame to have a chance. Even though they won early game, double AD has trouble against annie big time, and with no real burst on eHome, they can't scare anyone away, esp cause eHome is super squishy.
Whaaaa?
Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
October 03 2011 04:34 GMT
#598
BT is usually the counter for the Thornmail as far as math goes. The amount of backlash you take gets healed through the BT being fully stacked to begin with.
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Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
October 03 2011 04:34 GMT
#599
On October 03 2011 13:33 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2011 13:30 Two_DoWn wrote:
On October 03 2011 13:28 TheYango wrote:
On October 03 2011 13:27 oooo27 wrote:
and that is why double ad doesnt wokr

Because when you play double AD, your jungler DCs?

That wasnt the problem. Problem was that EH was unable to capitalize enough on the awkward phase where singed was going to be unable to farm. As soon as he hit 6 and got cata he was free to shift to any lane and do just fine. Now they are in the phase with a farmed singed, prior to farmed ad carries.

I mean, they had the momentum early-midgame, and had the means to push it till Lucky DCed. Following that they made several bad misplays before Lucky reconnected, and by that point, they were really far behind.

It was 1 kill, and that was it. No buff transfers at all. They were sliding before that, when they lost the drag fight because noc decided to give them free kills.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-03 04:36:25
October 03 2011 04:35 GMT
#600
There's also the question of how double AD is any more overly physical-centric than bruiser top instead of AD carry top.

Like sure, armor stacking shuts down Noct + Vayne + Trist, but how is that not the same for, say, Noct + Trist + GP top?
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