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On October 05 2011 14:45 Two_DoWn wrote:
I guess I should have clarified- since when is cho a tank and not a bruiser. Dude deals a TON of damage with straight tank items. Which is kind of the definition of a bruiser.
I think the definitions of Brusier/Tank overlap a lot. Malph and Galio can both do good damage too. Not as much as Cho but still.
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On October 05 2011 14:52 TheYango wrote:
A champion whose kit is only good for taking damage is a bad champion.
poor shen
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On October 05 2011 14:45 Two_DoWn wrote:
I guess I should have clarified- since when is cho a tank and not a bruiser. Dude deals a TON of damage with straight tank items. Which is kind of the definition of a bruiser.
That's just arguing semantics.
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On October 05 2011 14:53 infinitestory wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2011 14:52 TheYango wrote:
A champion whose kit is only good for taking damage is a bad champion. poor shen
A heal, a low-CD AoE CC, and a support shield that doubles as a map control spell hardly count as "only good for taking damage". I'd classify Shen as a support.
TBH the 1-5 system for categorizing champions on the scale of hard carry->hard support used in DotA is probably more informative than some of these buzzwords that people use these days.
On October 05 2011 14:54 Drekor wrote:
That's just arguing semantics.
It's a problem with the term tank. The fact that its a catch-all for at least 3 different categories of champions that do drastically different things just makes discussing the game more confusing.
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the music for this is all over the place
GO CLG!
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On October 05 2011 14:32 Irave wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2011 14:31 JBright wrote:
So who's going to take over for Elementz for the finals? Ocelot? Wickd? I would have to guess Ocelot, but I would rather have Joe return to us than that.
Hey, can anyone tell me why Elementz wouldn't be playing? I just tuned in for the final and this is news to me... >.> Also, it's buried somewhere back in the thread and I can only find recaps in the last 5 or so pages.
Thanks guys!
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On October 05 2011 14:57 Silverfoxx wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2011 14:32 Irave wrote:On October 05 2011 14:31 JBright wrote:
So who's going to take over for Elementz for the finals? Ocelot? Wickd? I would have to guess Ocelot, but I would rather have Joe return to us than that. Hey, can anyone tell me why Elementz wouldn't be playing? I just tuned in for the final and this is news to me... >.> Also, it's buried somewhere back in the thread and I can only find recaps in the last 5 or so pages. Thanks guys!
He is playing. He was commentating the third place match and that's what they were referring too.
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On October 05 2011 14:57 Silverfoxx wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2011 14:32 Irave wrote:On October 05 2011 14:31 JBright wrote:
So who's going to take over for Elementz for the finals? Ocelot? Wickd? I would have to guess Ocelot, but I would rather have Joe return to us than that. Hey, can anyone tell me why Elementz wouldn't be playing? I just tuned in for the final and this is news to me... >.> Also, it's buried somewhere back in the thread and I can only find recaps in the last 5 or so pages. Thanks guys!
He means for commentating, not playing. Elementz commentated the SK v EHOME matches, and now he has to play in the finals, so we're wondering if we'll get an SK player to commentate the finals.
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Elementz is playing in the finals. He just dropped in to co-cast the 3rd place finals.
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On October 05 2011 14:57 Silverfoxx wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2011 14:32 Irave wrote:On October 05 2011 14:31 JBright wrote:
So who's going to take over for Elementz for the finals? Ocelot? Wickd? I would have to guess Ocelot, but I would rather have Joe return to us than that. Hey, can anyone tell me why Elementz wouldn't be playing? I just tuned in for the final and this is news to me... >.> Also, it's buried somewhere back in the thread and I can only find recaps in the last 5 or so pages. Thanks guys!
Lol. Elementz was helping to cast the 3rd/4th place match. They are asking who will help Zenon cast since Elementz will be playing.
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Pre-game interviews coming up on our big stage. Chinese audience looks very excited... 
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Taking a long time to start. *sadface*
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On October 05 2011 14:52 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2011 14:45 Two_DoWn wrote:
I guess I should have clarified- since when is cho a tank and not a bruiser. Dude deals a TON of damage with straight tank items. Which is kind of the definition of a bruiser. Honestly, the term tank really doesn't fit this game at all. Because no champion's function is solely to take damage. They either provide defensive utility through CC/shields (e.g. Shen), damage/offensive utility (lots of people), or initiation. Which means it's probably easier to categorize them as bruisers/melee carries, initiators, and supports, rather than the ambiguous (and quite frankly pointless) catch-all term "tank". A champion whose kit is only good for taking damage is a bad champion.
You're basing your idea of a tank off of mmos, and since this isn't a pve game of course that idea doesn't work. In this game, a tank is somebody who is there to be unkillable unless focused extremely hard while also putting out a good amount of disruption.
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On October 05 2011 15:02 d(O.o)a wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2011 14:52 TheYango wrote:On October 05 2011 14:45 Two_DoWn wrote:
I guess I should have clarified- since when is cho a tank and not a bruiser. Dude deals a TON of damage with straight tank items. Which is kind of the definition of a bruiser. Honestly, the term tank really doesn't fit this game at all. Because no champion's function is solely to take damage. They either provide defensive utility through CC/shields (e.g. Shen), damage/offensive utility (lots of people), or initiation. Which means it's probably easier to categorize them as bruisers/melee carries, initiators, and supports, rather than the ambiguous (and quite frankly pointless) catch-all term "tank". A champion whose kit is only good for taking damage is a bad champion. You're basing your idea of a tank off of mmos, and since this isn't a pve game of course that idea doesn't work. In this game, a tank is somebody who is there to be unkillable unless focused extremely hard while also putting out a good amount of disruption.
OK then the term "disruption" is also ambiguous.
Again, I don't see how trying to use a catch-all phrase "tank" is any more useful than using the appropriate specific terms for what they actually DO, which is acting either as initiators, melee carries/semicarries, or as supports.
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misaya: CLG is very strong but we believe that chinese LoL is very strong and we will play confidently
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There is a BS amount of lag on the stream now, during interviews, ffs Own3dtv wtf host better service.
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misaya:after we saw the match we did get information from it, we watch a lot of their games normally, we have our strategies, everyone should watch the match and see
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holy fuck this translator sucks
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the on-stream translations are a bit off... for example, for the second question the interviewer didn't translate the bit about them already having seen CLG's matches before
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On October 05 2011 15:05 Slow Motion wrote:
holy fuck this translator sucks
probably hired cause he speaks cantonese, judging by the accent.
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