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DarkCore
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany4194 Posts
April 01 2019 16:59 GMT
#61
I agree with your reasoning on her level mechanism, Kayle doesn't scale linearly with levels, all that matters is reaching level 11. But she will get shafted in the bot lane against any competent opponents, Thresh could probably just walk up and flay her, she'd be sitting under the turret for the first 15 minutes, if it even lasts that long.

I have seen some people run her as a support in bot with moderate success against some matchups, usually sustain or poke (her heal is actually fairly decent, 70 mana for two people healing 60 HP is not bad, and it has dirt cheap scaling, 5 more mana for 30, so 60 total, extra health every level you put in it. I have to check, but I can see her working by maxing Q/E with W second, not sure which one is a better harassing tool. Her ultimate is obviously powerful on hyper carries, but I wouldn't put her over Lulu or Janna when it comes to achieving the same thing lol.
Fixed a bug where LeBlanc could lose
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
April 01 2019 18:05 GMT
#62
On April 01 2019 09:53 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2019 04:03 Slayer91 wrote:
Yes, but that implies you DID think it might be a good idea. I provided some further arguments why I think it's a bad idea, and then you said "lul I never said it was a good idea".

that's disingenuous. You are asking if someone tried it because you thought it might be a good combo.

You thought it might be a good combo because you are following the reasoning that someone said "kayle needs levels" but I provided some more reasons why she could struggle in bot lane and wouldn't work well with zilean.

I don't have a problem if you come up with an idea, and someone trashes it, and you discard it, but it annoys me if you come up with an idea, and then say "oh I never said it would be good".
If you knew it wasn't good, you wouldn't care if anyone tried it.

Hope this post made sense. I realize I'm making lots of words out of a throwaway post but it's hard to explain why my brain got annoyed at your second post.

My thoughts were a range of "it could at best be playable", since if it was actually good I wouldn't have to ask the question, I would have read about it somewhere else, to "it could just be bad" because Kayle would have too much of a problem csing for the synergy of the passives to be worth it as a bot lane. I don't tend to think in boolean logic. If I say I "Never claimed it was good"(my actual words, btw) that doesn't mean I was claiming it was bad either.

I get that you got frustrated because you thought I was disregarding your post out of hand though. I wasn't, it just wasn't what I was asking for.


i wasn't annoyed about anyone ignoring my posts

was more about the implied contradictions
tl;dr not thinking in boolean logic wtf
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-01 18:47:53
April 01 2019 18:47 GMT
#63
After reading DarkCore’s post I think you could survive the lane if you played it like the Taric / Sona strat. Kayle with frost queen + Klepto, Zilean as the primary farmer until quest completion. Mind you I think this is vastly inferior to both being solo lanes and Taric/Sona itself, but Zilean can definitely turn it into a pve lane after his first base.
Carrilord has arrived.
dsyxelic
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1417 Posts
April 02 2019 04:33 GMT
#64
if you really want the zilean synergy with kayle would it not just be better to throw them into their respective lanes (kayle top or mid with zilean mid or support) and then just have one or two of the backs before 11 be coordinated so zilean can just hand off the exp?

seems really not worth trying to force a really bad duo lane for the sole purpose of utilizing the zilean-kayle exp share once or twice
TL/SKT
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
April 02 2019 17:48 GMT
#65
The synergy isn't really that good anyway, Zilean passive isn't THAT much XP as far as I know, and usually it's not practical to find one guy to use it on all the time.

Zilean R is kind of anti synergy with Kayle R and Kayle in general wants big strong melee champs to run in and tank.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-02 22:36:41
April 02 2019 20:54 GMT
#66
If Kayle ult s herself it locks out her auto attack, so it should be done as a last resort only , significantly stronger to ult your initiator.

To be honest I’m firmly in the Kayle suck despite the stats camp, but I personally found the topic interesting to talk about.
Carrilord has arrived.
AdsMoFro
Profile Joined January 2015
Japan4761 Posts
April 03 2019 01:34 GMT
#67
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