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[Patch 8.17] Nunu & Willump Rework Discussion

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AdsMoFro
Profile Joined January 2015
Japan4761 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-28 18:51:47
August 28 2018 18:51 GMT
#1
Welcome to this patch's General Discussion thread for the League of Legends subforum. This thread is for discussion around League of Legends. Free feel to talk about anything LoL related here that does not already have its own thread.

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Use the LoL Strategy subforum if you have game or champion specific questions. Lastly, confine QQing and bragging to their respective threads.


Patch 8.17: Live on Aug. 29, 2018

This patch will have the Nunu & Willump, the Boy and his Yeti, rework release. For more information check out the reveal here.

+ Show Spoiler [Previous GD Threads & Patch Notes] +

Patch 8.16 Nerf.Zoe. General Discussion
Patch 8.15 Akali Rework General Discussion
Patch 8.14 SSG Worlds Skin Release General Discussion
Patch 8.13 Aatrox Rework General Discussion
Patch 8.12 Shield Champ Nerfs General Discussion
Patch 8.11 Pyke General Discussion
Patch 8.10 Jungle Changes Discussion
Patch 8.9 Mage Item Adjustments
Patch 8.8 Leblanc General Discussion
Patch 8.7 Irelia Rework General Discussion
Patch 8.6 Duskblade General Discussion
Patch 8.5 Kai'Sa Release General Discussion
Patch 8.4 AP Items General Discussion
Patch 8.3 Swain Remake General Discussion
Patch 8.2 RIP Malzahar General Discussion
Patch 8.1 Welcome to Season 8 General Discussion
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St3MoR
Profile Joined November 2002
Spain3256 Posts
August 28 2018 19:49 GMT
#2
THE YETI KNOWS THE WAY
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General_Winter
Profile Joined February 2011
United States719 Posts
August 28 2018 21:20 GMT
#3
I feel very nervous about that Annie buff. 625 is sooo much range. There has absolutely got to be something toxic and unholy that you can do when you combine 625 auto range and a point and click stun. My first thought is to build like on hit Kennan and do most of your damage with autos while still rocking those high base damages.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
August 28 2018 21:26 GMT
#4
Was never much of a thing before.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
August 28 2018 21:26 GMT
#5
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
August 28 2018 21:51 GMT
#6
On August 29 2018 06:20 General_Winter wrote:
I feel very nervous about that Annie buff. 625 is sooo much range. There has absolutely got to be something toxic and unholy that you can do when you combine 625 auto range and a point and click stun. My first thought is to build like on hit Kennan and do most of your damage with autos while still rocking those high base damages.

Annie has a lot of upswing on her aa animation, and garbage base AS, plus no mobility/defense compared to Kennen. They aren't really comparable regarding these builds.
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Fildun
Profile Joined December 2012
Netherlands4124 Posts
August 28 2018 21:51 GMT
#7
On August 29 2018 06:26 JimmiC wrote:
I don't mind the patch, I think they need to get better at explaining their decisions.

For example "Garen is too much a lane bully, a lot of this is because Q's high damage early and silence, not allowing much trades back, so we are reducing Q's late game damage" ....?

Considering most Garens max Q first it is indeed a lane change.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
August 28 2018 22:49 GMT
#8
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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
August 28 2018 23:25 GMT
#9
On August 29 2018 06:51 Alaric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2018 06:20 General_Winter wrote:
I feel very nervous about that Annie buff. 625 is sooo much range. There has absolutely got to be something toxic and unholy that you can do when you combine 625 auto range and a point and click stun. My first thought is to build like on hit Kennan and do most of your damage with autos while still rocking those high base damages.

Annie has a lot of upswing on her aa animation, and garbage base AS, plus no mobility/defense compared to Kennen. They aren't really comparable regarding these builds.

Yup. I used to try it all the time, it just kinda stinks. If you laned Annie 1v1 vs. Kennen he'd probably do more Auto damage.
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chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
August 29 2018 04:11 GMT
#10
I feel like the Annie changes could bring her back into the support role
M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4186 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-29 07:16:04
August 29 2018 07:15 GMT
#11
On August 29 2018 13:11 chipmonklord17 wrote:
I feel like the Annie changes could bring her back into the support role

She might come back top lane in soloQ too, for the annie enthusiasts, but yeah, its a buff to her support role mostly, we might even see her on worlds.
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AdsMoFro
Profile Joined January 2015
Japan4761 Posts
August 29 2018 08:13 GMT
#12
We're getting dangerously close to worlds and that Kass buff might just push him back into relevance. He's a fun champ to play and watch, but defs not a fun champ to play against considering he's one of the best "timer" champions in the game.
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Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9331 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-29 18:20:02
August 29 2018 18:17 GMT
#13
Quick Gameplay Thoughts: August 29

The overall targets we're using for Worlds balance are:
• An interesting and fun to watch experience is most important from a viewer perspective.
• A diverse meta's good, but not as important as interesting matches (better low diversity and exciting games than high diversity and slow, uneventful play repeatedly)
• No champions should be 100% pick/ban, or very close to it
• No major disruption (minimal systemic changes especially, changes to individual champs especially are more appropriate)
• While we're putting more attention into pro balance for the next couple of patches, ideally any changes made should be positive for regular play as well. If not they should at at minimum not be highly harmful to regular balance. That's the case in particular when it comes to buffing champs, with a fair number we believe could buff into pro play relevance but only by making them inappropriately strong for regular players.

(More detailed info on champs like Akali or Tahm in the link)


Explains why they are buffing Kass, Fiora and Irelia. I guess they're aiming for a lot of mobility and flashy plays, hard to go wrong with that from viewer's perspective.
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GrandInquisitor *
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
New York City13113 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-29 21:12:43
August 29 2018 21:05 GMT
#14
It is no surprise that LS decided to create all this martyr drama around him, but it disgusts me that Reddit and his sponsors (like Red Bull!) are treating this like some incredible miscarriage of justice.

The dude got banned for 24 hours for encouraging his stream to spam homophones of ethnic slurs, including "KILL ALL ____". This is the same guy that once wrote in a PM on gosugamers defending the neo-Nazi exvodsphoenix:

The hitler speech in his video, is a very deep meaning, its not mean't to be racist, facist, or even what you guys are taking it as, Hitler's story is a very controversial story, because whether or not anyone wants to accept it, he was one of the greatest minds in the history of the world, he also, wasn't racist, as much as he had terminal psychological issues. Hitler believed in power, and a perfect world. I think that is what exvodsphoenix, was trying to get across, the POWER behind hitler, not neccesarily what you all interpret it as.


Yeah, he's the real victim here.
What fun is it being cool if you can’t wear a sombrero?
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
August 29 2018 21:33 GMT
#15
On August 29 2018 17:13 AdsMoFro wrote:
We're getting dangerously close to worlds and that Kass buff might just push him back into relevance. He's a fun champ to play and watch, but defs not a fun champ to play against considering he's one of the best "timer" champions in the game.


I don't know anymore. Last time I remember him seeing a bit of play he felt like a desperation pick that had to snowball games, and wasn't actually that good lategame.

On August 30 2018 03:17 Sent. wrote:
Show nested quote +
Quick Gameplay Thoughts: August 29

The overall targets we're using for Worlds balance are:
• An interesting and fun to watch experience is most important from a viewer perspective.
• A diverse meta's good, but not as important as interesting matches (better low diversity and exciting games than high diversity and slow, uneventful play repeatedly)
• No champions should be 100% pick/ban, or very close to it
• No major disruption (minimal systemic changes especially, changes to individual champs especially are more appropriate)
• While we're putting more attention into pro balance for the next couple of patches, ideally any changes made should be positive for regular play as well. If not they should at at minimum not be highly harmful to regular balance. That's the case in particular when it comes to buffing champs, with a fair number we believe could buff into pro play relevance but only by making them inappropriately strong for regular players.

(More detailed info on champs like Akali or Tahm in the link)


Explains why they are buffing Kass, Fiora and Irelia. I guess they're aiming for a lot of mobility and flashy plays, hard to go wrong with that from viewer's perspective.


Well they certainly need some hype. People are shitting on Worlds all over the place for various production reasons.
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M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4186 Posts
August 30 2018 10:04 GMT
#16
So what abilities are maxed 1st on nunu for jungle and the other roles?
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nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-30 22:39:59
August 30 2018 22:35 GMT
#17
On August 30 2018 06:05 GrandInquisitor wrote:
It is no surprise that LS decided to create all this martyr drama around him, but it disgusts me that Reddit and his sponsors (like Red Bull!) are treating this like some incredible miscarriage of justice.

The dude got banned for 24 hours for encouraging his stream to spam homophones of ethnic slurs, including "KILL ALL ____". This is the same guy that once wrote in a PM on gosugamers defending the neo-Nazi exvodsphoenix:

Show nested quote +
The hitler speech in his video, is a very deep meaning, its not mean't to be racist, facist, or even what you guys are taking it as, Hitler's story is a very controversial story, because whether or not anyone wants to accept it, he was one of the greatest minds in the history of the world, he also, wasn't racist, as much as he had terminal psychological issues. Hitler believed in power, and a perfect world. I think that is what exvodsphoenix, was trying to get across, the POWER behind hitler, not neccesarily what you all interpret it as.


Yeah, he's the real victim here.

The ban was actually a week.

American outrage over dumb shit is more disgusting tbh.
Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
August 31 2018 15:51 GMT
#18
Ban seems deserved, I don't get why people try to ignore that things have context.
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
August 31 2018 15:52 GMT
#19
Because the correct context isn't given.
AdsMoFro
Profile Joined January 2015
Japan4761 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-11 21:05:23
September 11 2018 18:35 GMT
#20
DARKNESSSSSSSssssssss


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