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On October 19 2015 08:25 Ketara wrote:
Repeatedly making game theory statements that are blatantly wrong is supposed to be bannable, this is just the first time in my memory that somebody has actually been banned for it.
Let's move on.
Talk about Lux IMO. She's not the #1 winrate mid anymore WHAT HAPPEN???
I'm still not sure how she got there, although i have been wrecked multiple times by 20 stack mejai's lux's.
I'd guess people just remembered how to play against her a bit agian though, (started watching for roams more and not underestimating her shield etc) which everyone seemed to have forgotten
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On October 19 2015 08:25 Ketara wrote:
Repeatedly making game theory statements that are blatantly wrong is supposed to be bannable, this is just the first time in my memory that somebody has actually been banned for it.
Let's move on.
Talk about Lux IMO. She's not the #1 winrate mid anymore WHAT HAPPEN???
Pretty sure she is still very high up there? Her win rate barely changed.
Also I am actually more interested in what happened to Veigar.
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On October 19 2015 08:28 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2015 08:25 Ketara wrote:
Repeatedly making game theory statements that are blatantly wrong is supposed to be bannable, this is just the first time in my memory that somebody has actually been banned for it.
Let's move on.
Talk about Lux IMO. She's not the #1 winrate mid anymore WHAT HAPPEN??? Pretty sure she is still very high up there? Her win rate barely changed. Also I am actually more interested in what happened to Veigar.
Froggen did
More seriously, the main driving force behind new champions seeping into soloq is pro play, and we had basically no games to learn off of for ages. I imagine he would have been a staple almost immediately after the buffs in 5.18, combined with how his e is great against melee bruisers, who all also got buffed right after most pro play stopped, and he's been a very high priority for most teams since the first games of worlds.
Also i believe he was very popular in high diamond since the change, just took ages to propagate down, as usual.
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Are the juggernaut champs must pick every game still?
I posited back when Luxs winrate shot up that the reason was less her and more the high play rate of low mobility melee champions.
Also one of the two mids with a higher winrate than her now is Kayle, whom I would consider one of the strongest champs to pick against Lux.
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On October 19 2015 08:45 Ketara wrote:
Are the juggernaut champs must pick every game still?
I posited back when Luxs winrate shot up that the reason was less her and more the high play rate of low mobility melee champions.
Also one of the two mids with a higher winrate than her now is Kayle, whom I would consider one of the strongest champs to pick against Lux.
Darius and fiora are perma banned/pickban in both worlds and soloq, and morde is a bit pick right now too.
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Fiora doesn't fit the mold of makes Lux OP tho.
Garen and the rest of them are bad now? Weren't there like 6?
Kayle is good against Fiora and Darius too.
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Darius gets a lot more priority than Fiora in my games, don't think she has been picked or banned in my last 10 games. Don't really understand why, she's super strong.
Regarding Lux, I just think that a lot of people just picked her back up again, so winrate probably dropped for a bit because of it.
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Also Ketara, if you aren't aware, Lux has been banned for the rest of the tournament due to a gragas bug.
edit: not sure why I quoted killerdoge
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On October 19 2015 09:05 TheHumanSensation wrote:
Also Ketara, if you aren't aware, Lux has been banned for the rest of the tournament due to a gragas bug.
edit: not sure why I quoted killerdoge
No one picked her before the ban though.
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On October 19 2015 08:25 Ketara wrote:
Repeatedly making game theory statements that are blatantly wrong is supposed to be bannable, this is just the first time in my memory that somebody has actually been banned for it.
Let's move on.
Talk about Lux IMO. She's not the #1 winrate mid anymore WHAT HAPPEN???
Vaporized got banned for insisting Frozen Mallet and Rylais in the same build were great buys for Sejuani. That one person that refused to consider support WW as anything but OP.... All I can thing of.
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On October 19 2015 09:03 Ketara wrote:
Fiora doesn't fit the mold of makes Lux OP tho.
Garen and the rest of them are bad now? Weren't there like 6?
Kayle is good against Fiora and Darius too.
Oh that was more responding to the question about veigar
Original 4 were garen morde skarner darius, and gangplank happened to get reworked just before, as did fiora, both as solo things.
Garen was never really competitively viable, they basically just reworked old garen and (at least after the number tuning) he's basically the same as before, slightly rescaled. Skarner got gutted.
Morde fiora darius gangplank are all still pick/ban in competitive
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On October 19 2015 09:05 TheHumanSensation wrote:
Also Ketara, if you aren't aware, Lux has been banned for the rest of the tournament due to a gragas bug.
edit: not sure why I quoted killerdoge
Wait wtf?
What's the bug?
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On October 19 2015 09:14 Ketara wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2015 09:05 TheHumanSensation wrote:
Also Ketara, if you aren't aware, Lux has been banned for the rest of the tournament due to a gragas bug.
edit: not sure why I quoted killerdoge Wait wtf? What's the bug?
The ancient one in a million, use a reactivateable ability (gragas q, lux e etc) only for it to not properly appear in game and the skill then be uncastable forever.
Been around for years, but apparently because it shows up in a worlds game, riot has to pretend it's not just a part of the game at this point and go full shen on it.
Main result is the team that's second pick is now even more screwed, as with elise being banned they can't rely on getting the second of reksai/gragas which are the three strongest junglers atm afaik.
Basically even more pressure to make teams let some of the "op's" through, like gp fiora veigar elise tahm lulu etc. Going to be interesting to see how people play around it.
Pick ban strats in the semis are going to be really interesting.
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On October 19 2015 09:17 killerdog wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2015 09:14 Ketara wrote:On October 19 2015 09:05 TheHumanSensation wrote:
Also Ketara, if you aren't aware, Lux has been banned for the rest of the tournament due to a gragas bug.
edit: not sure why I quoted killerdoge Wait wtf? What's the bug? The ancient one in a million, use a reactivateable ability (gragas q, lux e etc) only for it to not properly appear in game and the skill then be uncastable forever. Been around for years, but apparently because it shows up in a worlds game, riot has to pretend it's not just a part of the game at this point and go full shen on it.
Some extra context/analysis here: http://www.thescoreesports.com/lol/news/4399
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On October 19 2015 09:09 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2015 09:05 TheHumanSensation wrote:
Also Ketara, if you aren't aware, Lux has been banned for the rest of the tournament due to a gragas bug.
edit: not sure why I quoted killerdoge No one picked her before the ban though.
I'm only actually at like day4 of vod watching, so thanks for that I wasn't 100% confident in making that claim but was fairly sure of it.
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Wow.
That's kind of amazing.
I don't think I've ever had that bug happen to me as a Lux.
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On October 19 2015 09:19 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2015 09:17 killerdog wrote:On October 19 2015 09:14 Ketara wrote:On October 19 2015 09:05 TheHumanSensation wrote:
Also Ketara, if you aren't aware, Lux has been banned for the rest of the tournament due to a gragas bug.
edit: not sure why I quoted killerdoge Wait wtf? What's the bug? The ancient one in a million, use a reactivateable ability (gragas q, lux e etc) only for it to not properly appear in game and the skill then be uncastable forever. Been around for years, but apparently because it shows up in a worlds game, riot has to pretend it's not just a part of the game at this point and go full shen on it. Some extra context/analysis here: http://www.thescoreesports.com/lol/news/4399
Oh hadn't realised there were already articles about it.
I think that article is a bit guilty of going into the writing room with an agenda already in mind though. It's not neccesarily purely going to add another advantage to blue side. If anything, throwing more complexity into the draft by making jungle an even more heavily contested role, in addition to top, just makes the draft phase more complex and rewards the teams which navigate it better, which in turn should lead us closer to a 50% split.
It'll also probably increase variety which is good for viewers, so that's something :p
Should see more teams jut letting lots of op picks through now, since it's bascially impossible to ban all of them.
On October 19 2015 09:26 Ketara wrote:
Wow.
That's kind of amazing.
I don't think I've ever had that bug happen to me as a Lux.
It's rare. Like, super super rare.
There's maybe a reddit thread about it once every 5-6 months when it happens to someone who uses things like r/lol. It could have happened literally any pro game in the last very long time, just so happened to be at worlds so riot feel the need to do something. I guess they feel that if they just do nothing, then people watching worlds will assume that riot just accepts that league is full of bugs and that's obviously a bad pr message, but still.
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A guy supporting me with Lux had it happen during pre-6 laning a few days ago. We ended up surrendering at 20 because it was unplayable for him and the lane doesn't go too well 1v2 (and the others weren't doing hot either). That was the first time I saw it though.
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I honestly think they're just genuinely terrified of it negatively effecting the integrity of the tournament. They were lucky the Fnatic/EDG game was pretty close and the series ended up being very one sided. All it takes is for someone at Riot to say "Imagine if that happened in Game 5 of the final with one team 5k gold up at 30 minutes, then the other teams wins a remake" to spook the horses bad enough to have Graggy banned.
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the fact they banned the champs even though they have a fix ready is pure BS though.
e: how appropriate, haven't posted in here since it moved out of tl.net subforum and my profile her*cough*champion*cough* is gragas
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