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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
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Wita
Denmark267 Posts
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
On May 05 2015 06:51 Wita wrote: MIDLANE dafaq?? Pretty sure that it's just YamatoCannon's whiff and it was supposed to sound like "CLG should bench Doublelift if they want success" just with Elements and Froggen. | ||
Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
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Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
Few things to mention, I've been in constant communication with Stixxay and there has always been a way to contact someone if he needs anything. Stixxay has received one very recent offer which we have not denied. A second challenger team asked if they could use Stixxay as a sub in for a week. We've agreed and never denied Stixxay the opportunity. We've always maintained our end of the contract. The idea that we would retain any player "just cause" is absurd. Another extremely accurate and not at all misleading article written by your friends at DailyDot. I'm liking this faith meme, it's pretty damn funny. http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/34v9yp/stixxay_wants_out_from_clg_blackbut_the_team/cqyhg96 | ||
wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On May 05 2015 06:37 Wita wrote: A contract is a contract. Kids gotta learn that. Problem is there isn't enough money to justify the player to get a lawyer or adviser to negotiate better contracts, nor is there enough open information regarding contracts for each player and their team for players to understand what is a "good" or "fair" contract. So what ends up happening is, organizations tend to have most of the knowledge, experience, and lawyers when it comes to negotiating contracts. Think about it this way, how many player contracts has CLG have had to sign regarding just LoL? Around 15?, that's not even including their other teams, so the organization has had easily 20+ times they've negotiated contracts with players. How about the players themselves? Most LCS players have only been in like maybe 2 major teams where they've had contract experience, so they've almost always go into negotiations with less experience. | ||
Saradin
456 Posts
Incidentally, that means that we're possibly looking at Intense to TDK, Stixxay to Misfits. | ||
Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
As someone who has worked with CLG and has a decent relationship with most parties involved in this story I want to shed some light on a few things. First and foremost, don't assume what you read is true. When I worked with CLG Black, it was very obvious that the group was very close. More like a family than most teams. The manager of CLG Black, Samantha (or Samy), has always looked out for the players. She's wanted nothing but the best for everyone on the team. At first her and I would butt heads from time to time, but eventually her and I got along and are now friends even after I left the team to work with Misfits. I would never in a million years consider her the type of person to hold a player hostage to be vindictive. Time to move to the article directly "But after fielding numerous offers from top challenger teams, Counter Logic allegedly isn't letting its star AD carry out of his contract—despite apparent promises to the contrary." As of yesterday, May 3rd, Misfits offered Stixxay a position as Substitute ADC for the AlphaDraft Tournament. Stixxay told management he wants to move to the team full-time if the spot is offered. Which is will most likely be offered. Samantha was MORE than willing to work with stixxay to figure out what needs to be done. I want to make it very clear that CLG knew stixxay was looking at other teams for a while and were ok with it and working with him. So im not sure where the whole "not letting him out of his contract" information came from, but its wrong. As of YESTERDAY they were willing to work with him to allow him to play for misfits. "Elias and Georgallidis haven't made good on those promises, declining a number of offers from teams willing to pay the $10,000 required to buy Hayes out from his contract" This statement is irrelevant. Alex Ich got several offers from other teams, so did crumbzz. Just because you decline an offer for Buy-out doesn't mean shit. IF Trevor WANTS to be bought-out of his contract then CLG is forced to comply. Thats the point of a BUYOUT CLAUS... this is where the article begins to get way out of hand. "Most recently, the team allegedly blocked Hayes from moving to a new challenger team based out of New York, who intend to play this upcoming split" if this is the team that I think they are talking about, no... they didnt block him. The misfits ADC, Intense, decided to leave msifits, so the ADC position on Misfits became available.... "In addition, Hayes has recently been kicked from the team’s Skype group and has very little communication with the team outside of Elias and Georgallidis." Because the chat is used for communication between the strategic staff (analysts, coaches, etc) and the players. Stixxay had been playing with a different team for several days at that point. CLG knew he was interested in joining other teams. Why would you keep him in the skype chat where strategic decisions are being made? The answer is you dont. "prevented him from trying out for the AD carry position on recently LCS-qualified Team Dragon Knights" UMMMMMMMM no.... this is just wrong. When the ADC position became available on Misfits, that was stixxay's primary focus, as the spot is pretty much all his. again as of May 3rd, Stixxay believes Intense to be getting the TDK adc position. He is more interested in misfits than ANYONE else. again, all of this information is confirmed as of May 3rd. The challenger scene isn't very transparent, I understand that. But as someone who's worked in the challenger scene in several different capacities, very rarely is something as it seems. There are always reasons something is done. The relationships between teams is important. The relationships between players and management/ownership is private. If an organization says they do not want to comment on something, don't assume the worst. That's poor journalism. I want to make it very clear that I hope nothing but the best for stixxay, misfits, Intense, and CLG. I am not saying that any of them have given false information or lied to the author. I am saying the author pulled the trigger on an article that is both premature and wrong on several levels. Assuming that the situation is true because CLG didn't offer a statement. There were several times when, as manager of Misfits, I was asked to give a statement on situations like Alex subbing for TDK. It's not that we don't want to look like the bad guy. Sometimes we don't make statements because not enough information is solidified that a statement is required. When you are going to make personal attacks at an organization always fact check and make sure you have SOME information from the orgs management/ownership. http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sm2faj This entire conversation is hilarious... everyone looks stupid. | ||
Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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EsanLOL
479 Posts
This whole thing reeks of half truths and people trying to make each other look bad. | ||
Redox
Germany24794 Posts
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
So, are we looking at both Altec and Forg1ven to miss the LCS split while Vardags and Adryh are still going to play. Especially it sounds hilarious because Pobelter is one likely guy to be TDK mid, assuming that he's not going to get spot in C9. Anyway, Helios is all but confirmed in Dignitas, if they can contact him. Source. | ||
Slusher
United States19143 Posts
I really don't like helios to dig, Azingy was a big problem but Helios brings gen 1 player/attitude thats just killing so many teams at the moment. Azingy is humble and dedicated if you suck either way I'd take that guy | ||
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21243 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On May 05 2015 08:48 EsanLOL wrote: I don't really think MLong's statement contradicts what the article says. All it says is that since the Misfit's ADC position opened up yesterday, it has been Stixxay's primary focus. But that doesn't necessarily mean that Stixxay didn't want to work with the other organizations (C9T and TDK) prior to that or that Hotshot didn't deny those organizations. This whole thing reeks of half truths and people trying to make each other look bad. tbh it just sounds like the typical, no one fucking communicates, so someone feels wronged, when in reality everything is proceeding along normally without any ill-intent. | ||
Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
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AlterKot
Poland7525 Posts
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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Chexx
Korea (South)11232 Posts
On May 05 2015 08:11 Ansibled wrote: http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/34v9yp/stixxay_wants_out_from_clg_blackbut_the_team/cqyhg96 should be an own thread | ||
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