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New Season - New Thread: You can find the new thread here
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/liquid-legends/497276-rumors-thread
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
April 15 2015 22:05 GMT
#441
Were that the case, then the "import Koreans" experiment has completely failed for China in which case they ought to be looking at other problems with their scene rather than the quality of talent.
419
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Russian Federation3632 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-15 22:15:15
April 15 2015 22:15 GMT
#442
On April 16 2015 06:46 Maluk wrote:
According to an Inven interview Korea still dominates chinese teams, EDG included. Knowing how Korean PR works I don't buy any of that though ; Deft and Pawn would instantly become national traitors if they dared to suggest that Korea might have weaknessses.

Reddit link (includes a translation).

I'm just leaving this here because there is so much bullshitting in the interview that I find it funny. You can't win a single game against GE ? Rofl.

sandbag-ception??
?
Saradin
Profile Joined January 2015
456 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-15 22:37:29
April 15 2015 22:24 GMT
#443
Well yea, these guys aren't dumb. In an interview by and for their compatriots, they're not going to say 'hey guys, we might have fallen behind that country which we've had a weird cultural relationship/rivalry for the past couple thousand years'. At least not without public, conclusive evidence like results at Worlds.

It'd be like a worse version of some highly regarded US players telling a MURICA type crowd 'uh, oh snap, fellas, we might've fallen behind those Europeans'. (or those filthy non-MURICANS, depending on how MURICA the crowd is)

Edit: So to lay it out explicitly here; whether China actually has pulled ahead of Korea or not is irrelevant here. In their position, you say that 'Korea's still the best' either because it's still true, or because while it may not necessarily be the case, you still want to cover your rear.
Know your audience, know what you're prioritizing, know to control your message.
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
April 15 2015 22:43 GMT
#444
On April 16 2015 07:24 Saradin wrote:
Well yea, these guys aren't dumb. In an interview by and for their compatriots, they're not going to say 'hey guys, we might have fallen behind that country which we've had a weird cultural relationship/rivalry for the past couple thousand years'. At least not without public, conclusive evidence like results at Worlds.

It'd be like a worse version of some highly regarded US players telling a MURICA type crowd 'uh, oh snap, fellas, we might've fallen behind those Europeans'. (or those filthy non-MURICANS, depending on how MURICA the crowd is)

Edit: So to lay it out explicitly here; whether China actually has pulled ahead of Korea or not is irrelevant here. In their position, you say that 'Korea's still the best' either because it's still true, or because while it may not necessarily be the case, you still want to cover your rear.
Know your audience, know what you're prioritizing, know to control your message.


The PR version of "China is ahead but we don't want to say it lest we offend our native audience is":

I think China is a lot stronger than before but I believe Korea still has what it takes to win S5. In our scrims we find that Korean teams are still very strong and they're going to be our hardest opponents for MSI and Worlds.

But instead they said:

Korea is still one level above China. Our scrim results suck vs. them. We haven't won any recent scrims.

Which is pretty concrete in terms of what it says. I figure EDG's PR team is on it, though, and is going to release a new statement soon.
Saradin
Profile Joined January 2015
456 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-15 23:07:08
April 15 2015 23:06 GMT
#445
That goes back to knowing your crowd and your goal.
The former is the version to sound humble. The latter is for the rahrah crowd.
Can't say I know what the inven crowd is like or what they want to come across as to said crowd, though.
KissBlade
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States5718 Posts
April 16 2015 02:37 GMT
#446
On April 16 2015 07:43 Azarkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2015 07:24 Saradin wrote:
Well yea, these guys aren't dumb. In an interview by and for their compatriots, they're not going to say 'hey guys, we might have fallen behind that country which we've had a weird cultural relationship/rivalry for the past couple thousand years'. At least not without public, conclusive evidence like results at Worlds.

It'd be like a worse version of some highly regarded US players telling a MURICA type crowd 'uh, oh snap, fellas, we might've fallen behind those Europeans'. (or those filthy non-MURICANS, depending on how MURICA the crowd is)

Edit: So to lay it out explicitly here; whether China actually has pulled ahead of Korea or not is irrelevant here. In their position, you say that 'Korea's still the best' either because it's still true, or because while it may not necessarily be the case, you still want to cover your rear.
Know your audience, know what you're prioritizing, know to control your message.


The PR version of "China is ahead but we don't want to say it lest we offend our native audience is":

I think China is a lot stronger than before but I believe Korea still has what it takes to win S5. In our scrims we find that Korean teams are still very strong and they're going to be our hardest opponents for MSI and Worlds.

But instead they said:

Korea is still one level above China. Our scrim results suck vs. them. We haven't won any recent scrims.

Which is pretty concrete in terms of what it says. I figure EDG's PR team is on it, though, and is going to release a new statement soon.


Yeah I'm sure EDG is going to release a statement on some random interview Pawn/Deft gave to sate Inven crowds LOL.

Do you really need to say anything when WE somehow knocks CJ/GET out of IEM? There's literally no need for EDG to say anything here because this is literally a win/win scenario for them. If they lose to SKT at MSI (which is certainly a possibility since Faker is still a god and U is not a divinity), they can just claim "whelp like we said, Korea is still really strong" and if they win MSI, they can just play the "yep we took down the most powerful opponent" card.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-16 15:00:05
April 16 2015 14:55 GMT
#447
It's fine guys, we all know that hotshot's leblanc is better than faker amirite :>

Deft's also said that clearlove is better than dandy, I wonder why people were less eager to take his word for it :>

I assume these almighty scrims were around the same time roccat won EU LCS and fenix became the best mid laner in NA :>
Glorious SEA doto
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
April 16 2015 15:47 GMT
#448
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BrownBear
Profile Joined March 2010
United States6894 Posts
April 16 2015 21:37 GMT
#449
Scrims are pretty meaningless to determine relative power, whether people consciously do it or not they play scrims differently than games that matter.

MSI will do some to determine relative region power, but really we're going to be waiting until Worlds to see if the Chinese import-everyone-good strategy paid off.
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NotMeEver
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
United States100 Posts
April 17 2015 06:36 GMT
#450
I'm hoping to see MrRallez end up on Roccat, having seen what Vander can do with an ADC who performs decently.
FBI Special Agent Francis York Morgan. Please, just call me York. That's what everyone calls me.
Maluk
Profile Joined August 2011
France987 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-17 08:27:30
April 17 2015 08:25 GMT
#451
On April 17 2015 06:37 BrownBear wrote:
Scrims are pretty meaningless to determine relative power, whether people consciously do it or not they play scrims differently than games that matter.

MSI will do some to determine relative region power, but really we're going to be waiting until Worlds to see if the Chinese import-everyone-good strategy paid off.

Given that the ladder is about the same (Korean top players at the top of the Chinese ladder playing with each other plus they train on the Korean server too) and that many teams have Korean coaches I don't see how the strategy could fail. The conditions that led to Korea's success are pretty much reproduced in China, except China has the better players now.
suicideMARE
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada160 Posts
April 17 2015 15:11 GMT
#452
I've heard from sources(TM) that the Kori to CLG thing was completely false and was people trolling the author. Obviously I can't say more, but I would highly doubt anything about that story comes through.
Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
April 17 2015 15:29 GMT
#453
On April 18 2015 00:11 suicideMARE wrote:
I've heard from sources(TM) that the Kori to CLG thing was completely false and was people trolling the author. Obviously I can't say more, but I would highly doubt anything about that story comes through.

Another entertaining day in esports journalism.
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
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Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
April 17 2015 15:35 GMT
#454
I read that he talked to Hotshot and found out someone in CLG offered Kori but did not tell Hotshot about it.
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
April 17 2015 15:59 GMT
#455
Guys get hyped for the new team "Worlds 2k16":



This guy is worth following btw, usually has good knowledge of EU rumours.
Off-season = best season
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-17 16:02:03
April 17 2015 16:01 GMT
#456
Rekkles and Kerp on same team?

I wouldnt miss of single game of that team.
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
ConanTroutman
Profile Joined January 2015
Canada67 Posts
April 17 2015 16:09 GMT
#457
I forgot Kerp existed.
AlterKot
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Poland7525 Posts
April 17 2015 16:13 GMT
#458
Never heard of Saphe but whiteknight hype
Americans don't like to use unblockables, it is considered not honest. You press a button at the wrong time and hit the other person, you are random, not a top player. You DP Sim's far fierce, it is random and not honest.
orzeu
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland5205 Posts
April 17 2015 16:17 GMT
#459
Incarnation is already contracted and White Knight doesn't want to play competitive.
BrownBear
Profile Joined March 2010
United States6894 Posts
April 17 2015 17:20 GMT
#460
If I was a pro, I'd form ranked 5s teams with worlds-related names all the time just to fuck with people.
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