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St3MoR
Profile Joined November 2002
Spain3256 Posts
February 16 2015 12:01 GMT
#541
somebody should watch ingame and restream that match later, or with reasonable delay at least
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Kotfluegel
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany49 Posts
February 16 2015 12:32 GMT
#542
how do you spectate on TR?
Fildun
Profile Joined December 2012
Netherlands4124 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-16 14:10:29
February 16 2015 14:04 GMT
#543
Edit: I'm stupid
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29905 Posts
February 16 2015 15:00 GMT
#544
+ Show Spoiler +


1:20 made me crack :D
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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-16 15:25:09
February 16 2015 15:14 GMT
#545
All the Scarra. XD

Anybody else have an all black login screen?
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-16 16:28:45
February 16 2015 15:50 GMT
#546
On February 11 2015 14:02 GolemMadness wrote:
You only need to be level 13 as Zilean to get around a 30 second cooldown on ult right now. With the rework the cooldown's over 20% longer and you need to be 3 levels higher to get it.


Here's a spreadsheet showing the effective cooldown of Chronoshift at different levels and CDR%s for both live and the PBE, as well as a comparison of the two.

You can tell from the spreadsheet that almost across the board the cooldown on PBE Chronoshift is longer, substantially so at certain timings. However, these numbers require two assumptions:
  • After casting Chronoshift, Rewind must be off cooldown and cast immediately.
  • Zilean must continuously cast Rewind on cooldown.

Both of these assumptions are actually flawed.

During teamfights Rewind is used in concert with Time Bomb and Time Warp, not Chronoshift, so the first assumption isn't safe. The effective cooldown can end up a few seconds longer due to the desync (up to 3.6 at 40% CDR). It's not much, but it's notable.

More importantly, continuously casting Rewind isn't always possible or even desirable for a number of reasons:
  • Zilean may be dead.
  • Zilean may not have enough mana, or may need to conserve it.
  • Zilean may be stunned, silenced, recalling or otherwise unable to cast.
  • Zilean may be saving Rewind for use with Time Bomb.

The upshot being that the effective cooldown of Chronoshift, particularly in the early and mid game, ends up being substantially longer than its theoretical minimum.

So while Chronoshift loses the level 13 power spike it's otherwise largely unaffected. The Time Warp changes are also a slight nerf, but in return Zilean got crazy buffs.
  • Mana cost reductions. Not having to spam Rewind for Chronoshift plus the reductions on Q and E make an absolutely monumental different in Zilean's mana consumption.
  • Utility. Zilean not only gets a stun, but an AoE stun that he can eventually spam every 5 seconds.
  • Cooldowns. They are shorter.


Overall I liked the changes when I played them and Zilean's been a favorite of mine forever. (Also Riot has been wasting the opportunity to make a Squidbeard Zilean skin).
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-16 16:00:50
February 16 2015 15:58 GMT
#547
The big difference is on live as zilean you MUST start tear.Otherwise you just go oom too fast.Which in turn makes warding a lot harder.Ofc talking about support.

I know for supp zil it was popular to not max out bombs first just put in a few points in it for the lane.
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
February 16 2015 16:40 GMT
#548
Yeah, having Tear be optional is a huge change for Zilean.

Pretty much the only thing that makes me sad is the duration nerf on Time Warp. 5 seconds of boost is so much better than a stronger boost for half the time. It's not relevant for most of the game so it doesn't matter than much, but it's still saddening.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
February 16 2015 19:23 GMT
#549
Jeez qtpie at 50k viewers, that's pretty insane.
liftlift > tsm
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
February 16 2015 19:36 GMT
#550
I imagine he's making some serious amounts of money. And probably having more fun doing it.
Hey! How you doin'?
Nemireck
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1875 Posts
February 16 2015 19:45 GMT
#551
These days I'm lucky if I can even get Twitch.tv to load.

Constantly tells me the webpage is down.
Teamwork is awesome... As long as your team is doing all the work!
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
February 16 2015 20:02 GMT
#552
On February 17 2015 04:36 Zdrastochye wrote:
I imagine he's making some serious amounts of money. And probably having more fun doing it.


It's pretty unreal what kind of money these guys can make from "videogames" now. Last night I saw a tweet from tsm about their victory dinner in some steak house with the bill being around 800$ and I thought "Damn that's a lot of money". But it's probably what Bjergsen makes by pressing the 3minute ad button once or twice.
IamPryda
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1186 Posts
February 16 2015 20:16 GMT
#553
On February 17 2015 05:02 AsnSensation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2015 04:36 Zdrastochye wrote:
I imagine he's making some serious amounts of money. And probably having more fun doing it.


It's pretty unreal what kind of money these guys can make from "videogames" now. Last night I saw a tweet from tsm about their victory dinner in some steak house with the bill being around 800$ and I thought "Damn that's a lot of money". But it's probably what Bjergsen makes by pressing the 3minute ad button once or twice.

800 bucks for a steakhouse for 5 or more is not really expensive at all
Moar banelings less qq
KissBlade
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States5718 Posts
February 16 2015 20:19 GMT
#554
+ Show Spoiler +


Lol oh god if you guys want to hear some prime drama hilarity. This is too rich to not share
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
February 16 2015 20:30 GMT
#555
what drama? is it worth 2 hours of oce AND thorin?
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29905 Posts
February 16 2015 20:32 GMT
#556
On February 17 2015 05:02 AsnSensation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2015 04:36 Zdrastochye wrote:
I imagine he's making some serious amounts of money. And probably having more fun doing it.


It's pretty unreal what kind of money these guys can make from "videogames" now. Last night I saw a tweet from tsm about their victory dinner in some steak house with the bill being around 800$ and I thought "Damn that's a lot of money". But it's probably what Bjergsen makes by pressing the 3minute ad button once or twice.

Dude, Reginald owns the team, he can throw money left and right, so not a big deal for TSM ^_^
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oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
February 16 2015 20:41 GMT
#557
On February 17 2015 05:16 IamPryda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2015 05:02 AsnSensation wrote:
On February 17 2015 04:36 Zdrastochye wrote:
I imagine he's making some serious amounts of money. And probably having more fun doing it.


It's pretty unreal what kind of money these guys can make from "videogames" now. Last night I saw a tweet from tsm about their victory dinner in some steak house with the bill being around 800$ and I thought "Damn that's a lot of money". But it's probably what Bjergsen makes by pressing the 3minute ad button once or twice.

800 bucks for a steakhouse for 5 or more is not really expensive at all


God damn it, it's good monthly salary here with current currency exchange rates.
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AlterKot
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Poland7525 Posts
February 16 2015 20:46 GMT
#558
Well duh that's why eastern europeans fill their existential hole with streaming.
Americans don't like to use unblockables, it is considered not honest. You press a button at the wrong time and hit the other person, you are random, not a top player. You DP Sim's far fierce, it is random and not honest.
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
February 16 2015 20:50 GMT
#559
On February 17 2015 05:16 IamPryda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2015 05:02 AsnSensation wrote:
On February 17 2015 04:36 Zdrastochye wrote:
I imagine he's making some serious amounts of money. And probably having more fun doing it.


It's pretty unreal what kind of money these guys can make from "videogames" now. Last night I saw a tweet from tsm about their victory dinner in some steak house with the bill being around 800$ and I thought "Damn that's a lot of money". But it's probably what Bjergsen makes by pressing the 3minute ad button once or twice.

800 bucks for a steakhouse for 5 or more is not really expensive at all


it is for a normal university student like myself who's around the same age as most of the lcs pros
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
February 16 2015 21:00 GMT
#560
Haven't played Maokai in weeks, and just now while laning against a Fiora my passive was primed and I exchanged 4 autos with her without it triggering nor healing me at all. Oo

What's surprising with qtpie having 50k? There's noone else streaming atm, so he's the "default" one.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
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