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AlterKot
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Poland7525 Posts
January 09 2015 15:34 GMT
#1
While Wonderful tried to hype you up for EU LCS in his post without ranking teams (altough some biases were shown), nothing hypes me up more than trying to predict what the results of a league will be. So let's get some EU LCS power rankings in here!

1. SK Gaming

S4 SK lacked talent. At first they were wrote off as a bunch of mediocre/bad players who simply cheated by using ROTATIONS, a method considered dishonest in Spring Split EU LCS. As we got closer to Worlds, people realised that Fredy and Svenskeren were both top3 in the region. However, they also had Jesiz and Candypanda. Jesiz looked ok against NA challenger players, but people don't expect much of him coming into LCS. CandyPanda had a resurgance in Spring, considered the only good player on the team by many, but by Summer he only really performed on Vayne. Their replacements looked very promising in the past, Fox against EU challengers and FORG1VEN against actual LCS competition (in arguably the most adc-talent stacked split in EU history). Meanwhile nRated is widely considered to be kept on the team as shotcaller and strategist, while his actual in-game skills were average at best, having to resort to unconventional picks like Kayle and Sona when he couldn't play Morgana. However, similarly to how Xpecial seemed to make his AD Carries look better than when they played with anyone else, Unlimited looked like a much better player while with Forgiven than with any other AD Carry, and it's not like Rekkles and Woolite (his other lane partners) were bad players. So that makes me hopeful that Forgiven can work with nRated to create a lane that will be able to compete with likes of Rekkles/Nyph and Woolite/Vander.

Seemingly, S5 SK has the whole package - shotcalling, strategies, coaching staff (re-signing their sports psychologist) and talent. Of course it is an experiment - Fox can turn out to be an overrated player and Forgiven can blow up in team's face in more than one way. Perhaps Fredy's and Svenskeren's level has significantly drop during the break. But if you ask me who I think the best European team will be in 2015, I respond "SK Gaming".

2. Elements

ex-Alliance is one unpredictable squad. In Spring they were a team that heavily relied on getting ahead early and figuring out how to close it out. In summer they seemed to clean their act and focused on winning in mid-late game, resembling CLG.EU a tiniest bit (especially when Froggen would try to just farm 6 items and win the game alone). It mostly seemed to work, with Alliance winning the EU LCS playoffs. However, after the Korean Bootcamp, a more coinflippy Alliance returned, having a great game against NJWS and then losing to Kabum in an embarrassing fashion. With the new season, they claim they are gonna focus on more aggressive play (but then that's what every EU team said ever, and people still call that region boring despite the statistics).

Anyway, Elements has an interesting bunch of players. Shook is regarded as an inconsistent genius - while I would argue that his impressive games rely just as much on him as on circumstances of that game, it's true that his form fluctuates from a top3 jungler in europe to a bottom one. This was originally attributed to his alleged LAN jitters, but I would argue he just hasn't outgrown that early Alliance style of being very good at snowballing games, but failing at coming back from a disadvantage unless an opportunity presents itself (which is to say, bad at creating opportunities when behind). Then there's Wickd, who just seems to be really good at playing certain champions and clueless on others, making questionable moves and even item builds. Overall hard to rank him, but definitely adds to the incosistency of the team. Finally, Froggen, who evolved his style a lot over the past year, but probably will always perform better on farming mages than roaming assassins - which isn't to say he's bad at the latter, but I'd imagine some other LCS midlaners could outperform him on that.

Rekkles tends to be considered overrated by more insightful league critics, who point out to his low damage output, especially compared to likes of Deft. I think it's worth mentioning that Fnatic was a much different team than Samsung Blue - where Acorn, Spirit and Heart would try to set the teamfight in a way that will allow Deft to safely output damage, xPeke, Soaz and Yellowstar would usually try to initiate on as many opponnents as possible, leaving Rekkles to survive on his own - which is what he excelled at, dancing just outside of enemy reach and sneaking in autoattacks whenever possible. Perhaps there were teamfights where Fnatic would benefit from him throwing himself in the frontline and forcing enemy team to react in a way beneficial for his teammates, but overall I think he played in a style that complimented his team. Finally, he gives Elements the much-needed consistency, that will perhaps help them avoid losses like the one against Kabum.

Overall with how EU is looking right now, Shook and Wickd should be ok even on their worse days. However, I'm giving SK an edge over them, as I think they are more complete as a team. Perhaps Elements is a better team on their best day, but unless that day is the final of LCS playoffs, I don't expect them to outperform the Alliance of S4 by a large margin.

3. ROCCAT

I'm probably the least hyped person for the new ROCCAT roster, and there are few reasons for that. First of all - I'm actually willing to judge a team based on their IEM performance. Yes, ROCCAT showed up with willtoliveless Ryu, Overpow is still transitioning to a new role and Woolite is building his synergy with Vander. However, the team that showed at IEM was completely aimless. Maybe Jankos didn't look like a shitter, but neither like the #1 European jungler people claim he is. Vander had more of an average run and Woolite just didn't impress at all.

I think a lot of original Roccat success came from good drafting and executing their comps properly rather than great laning or teamfighting. Now, Overpow will likely be a good replacement for Xaxus, considering people remember Xaxus mostly for being one of the first to introduce new picks )such as Alistar and Maokai) and Overpow shined mostly at being able to play multitude of champions at around the same level. I also consider IEM a fluke for Jankos and Vander. But I'm not very hopeful for their new pickups. First of all, I don't buy Woolite's hype at all. I think he failed to provide Copenhagen Wolves with same caliber of AD carrying as Rekkles and Forgiven, which are exact two players he's gonna compete against for the top spots in league. Second of all, nukeduck's career post-Lemondogs so far has kept me convinced, that dexter HAS in fact made him look good. Sure, he excells at roaming, capitalizing on ganks and splitpushing, but I think he's a very one-dimensional player and Roccat will suffer if enemy teams ban him out or prevent his snowball. Also, let's not forget that nukeduck wanted to play with Hyrqbot because he assumed he will camp mid even more than dexter, who himself liked ganking top from time to time. Jankos likes being a freestyle jungler who goes wherever he smells blood, so unless either of them changes their style, I can see disagreements in clutch situations that lead to a downward spiral.

I think they have enough talent and composure to beat lesser teams, but barring a perfect synergy between Jankos and nukeduck (and meta that benefits them), I don't expect them to break top2.

4. Meet your Makers

Over Season 4, SHC grew from a mix of OK players to a team that some even expected to go to Worlds. Spring split was all about MrRallez breaking out as another ADC talent and dragging his team to victory, while Summer saw a lot of improvement in the team with arrival of Selfie and lastshadow lastshadow lastshadow's coaching. While I'm not as optimistic about their chances to become a toptier team as some, I think they are at least good enough to be a gatekeeper - Mimer is pretty ok nowadays (as opposed to being EU Westrice in spring) and Selfie and Rallez will surely do the job. Of course Horo and Nisbeth are big unknowns, but Rallez was never really paired with a start support and still managed to do the job. Meanwhile Impaler would do great in 1 out of 10 games while being just sort of there in the other 9. H0ro's initial showing in Europe wasn't that great and being T1S jungler isn't necesarily the greatest legacy, but I think he has enough training and experience under his belt to be able to play well once he's accustomed to new environment.

5. Copenhagen Wolves

As some LR posters might recall, I always had a soft spot for Copenhagen Wolves. While they were as bad at closing out games as everyone, I think they had some of the best early game strats in Europe and they were always able to recognise their stars and provide them with whatever they needed to carry. Going back to spring, people tend to remember their slow games in regular split and weak performance in playoffs, but I remember them being convincingly ahead of Millenium and barely behind Gambit and Roccat in regular season, as well as their close performance against Gambit and Alliance in playoffs. Summer was much worse, which was to be expected considering they lost their two best players and found no luck in searching for their replacements. However, by the end of 2014 they finally replaced Cowtard - and notBjergsen is showing a lot more promise. Airwaks seems to be a much better player after one split and I personally have higher expectations for Freeze than I had for Woolite. It's not that they improved a ton, but they got their shit together by the end of the year, convincingly winning their relegation match against H2K. Now that Fnatic effectively disbanded, 5th place isn't even a great placement, despite meaning you're better than half of the league. I just think quite lowly of the lower half.

6. Gambit Gaming

Ooooooh booooy. So I claim that I take IEM seriously, but I put it's winner 3 spots below the team that lost to CLG?

First of all, it was great to see Diamond that tournament, he looked revitalised. P1noy, Niq and Cabochard all played well and Edward shown some engages worthy of M5. However, it was IEM. Maybe it's Groove's motivational speaches, maybe it's Diamond's ability to prepare for a tournament, or maybe they somehow managed to rebuild the original M5 spirit with new players, but I think they won't be able to reproduce their tournament play in round robin. A lot of it has to do with constant travelling of Diamond and Edward, which will also impact how much practice the rest of the team can get. But let's also not forget that P1noy didn't impress up until IEM and Cabochard had mixed results in the past.

Now, I think the S5 jungle will be much better for Diamond, with different champions filling different roles and smite buffs allowing new creative ways of farming and counterjungling. While Diamond's general game sense and ganks were good by S2 standards, nowadays he tends to rely a lot more on unconventional champions and outfarming his opponent. He didn't really get to do in S4, since the jungle was most suited for well-rounded, all-purpose junglers like Elise, Lee Sin and Kha'Zix, with Rengar being pretty much the only interesting exception. However, while I think the meta is much better for him now, I also think that he's past his prime and don't expect him to outperform likes of Svenskeren and Jankos.

Overall LCS format is the biggest Gambit's opponent. While I think SK and ALL are still better teams even in tournament format, I could imagine Gambit being the 3rd best EU team if we were still in S2-style tournament circuit. As it is, I don't expect greatness.

7. Unicorns of Love

UoL are your typical challenger team that qualified for LCS - they have talent in some positions, baddies in other and don't impress in terms of strategy. Their strenght definitely lies in sololaners - PoE was kicking ass in challenger for quite some time and Vizics is one of the most promising toplaners to come out of european soloq in a very long time, showing proficiency in both traditional and unconventional picks. However, Kikis so far looks like a few-tricks pony and it seems like it's just a matter of time until he runs out of tricks. Vardags is often a huge burden for the team - Hylissang usually does a good job of carrying it, but one has to wonder if he can save the lane against best LCS duos. They definitely have potential to suprise and take higher spots, but I would probably expect more from them in Summer, once they got some experience down and perhaps replaced some players.

8. H2K Gaming

I don't have big expectations for H2K. They are a huge online team, pretty much always looking worse when it comes to offline play. Of course LCS is a good way to overcome that, but there's also the fact that they lost their huge carry in Febiven, and his rumoured replacement Ryu didn't look very promising ever since coming to Europe. It's also worth mentioning that H2K were top of the challenger scene since forever but only got into LCS thanks to the expansion tournament, perhaps hinting a gap between established LCS veterans and challenger newcomers. Anyway, now that Febiven's gone, I find it very hard to expect anything from H2K.

9. fnatic

I have no faith in unproven Korean imports and I have no faith in Steelback. Yellowstar's great, so perhaps he can bring out greatness in Steelback, but his time on SK Prime really wasn't promising. Maybe Koreans turn out to be the one-in-milion that thrives in a weaker region. Maybe Febiven doesn't lose his will to live. But I'm expecting quite the opposite.

10. GIANTS

After dust has settled, UoL and H2K found themselves grabbing LCS spots, which meant the competition for the last spot was pretty much "the best of the rest". They beat Reason convincingly, but lost to H2K just as convincingly. Honestly, there's just nothing that hypes me up for Giants - they look like a team that will prove that Riot was too quick with expanding number of LCS spots and share the fate of MRN and Dragonborns. Anything but 10th will be considered a success.
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Lost My Will To Live
Profile Joined October 2014
Botswana601 Posts
January 09 2015 15:52 GMT
#2
MYM is mad high. Their imported Korean is garbage and looked outclassed during LCS Qualifications or not on the same page as his team.
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Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29905 Posts
January 09 2015 15:57 GMT
#3
Why would you put MYM so high?

1. SK-Gaming
2. ROCCAT
3. Elements
4. Gambit Gaming
5. Unicorns Of Love
6. Fnatic
7. Copenhagen Wolves
8. MeetYourMakers
9. H2k
10. Giants
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Dodsangel
Profile Joined January 2015
Belgium11 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-09 15:59:26
January 09 2015 15:57 GMT
#4
Meet Your Makers at #4 and Copenhagen Wolves at #5? I think both these teams have proven to be underwhelming in the past... A last placed Copenhagen Wolves isn't suddenly going to jump 5 spots ahead just because they have a new ADC (Woolite pretty much was one of their better performers in the last split), their sololaners remain VERY lackluster and there has been no word of any coaching staff thus far. Meet Your Makers just dropped the best aspect of their team, being their coach Last Shadow. They picked up a Korean, which will increase communication problems on a team that already had pretty ~average~ teamplay and they've picked up a nobody on support (A total nobody, never seen him on any challenger team ever).

Opinions might differ but I don't see on what grounds you rate both these teams so highly.

My Ranking:

#1 - SK Gaming (Strong mind for strategy, very good coaching staff, new carries they needed)
#2 - Elements (I rate Tabzz and Rekkles about the same, new coach might do wonders though)
#3 - Team Roccat (Nukeduck is going to do some work in the EU LCS...)
#4 - Gambit Gaming (First split that the team will have a Gaming house, Diamond seems revitalized, new ADC does serious work)
#5 - Unicorns Of Love (Incredible sololaners and an interresting jungler, might fall out of grace near the end though)
#6 - H2k-Gaming (Once they've managed to adjust to the new atmosphere they will pick up the pace, would rate them higher if they kept Febiven but Ryu will hopefully do fine, also Prolly most likely as coach which I think will work out great)
#7 - Copenhagen Wolves (See above)
#8 - Meet Your Makers (See above)
#9 - Fnatic (Febiven and YellowStar are going to have their hands full with this new roster...)
#10 - Giants Gaming (Probably underrating this team pretty badly but they got 3-0'd by H2k so...)
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Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-09 16:07:00
January 09 2015 16:06 GMT
#5
On January 10 2015 00:34 AlterKot wrote:
While Wonderful tried to hype you up for EU LCS in his post without ranking teams (altough some biases were shown), nothing hypes me up more than trying to predict what the results of a league will be. So let's get some EU LCS power rankings in here!

1. SK Gaming

S4 SK lacked talent. At first they were wrote off as a bunch of mediocre/bad players who simply cheated by using ROTATIONS, a method considered dishonest in Spring Split EU LCS. As we got closer to Worlds, people realised that Fredy and Svenskeren were both top3 in the region. However, they also had Jesiz and Candypanda. Jesiz looked ok against NA challenger players, but people don't expect much of him coming into LCS. CandyPanda had a resurgance in Spring, considered the only good player on the team by many, but by Summer he only really performed on Vayne. Their replacements looked very promising in the past, Fox against EU challengers and FORG1VEN against actual LCS competition (in arguably the most adc-talent stacked split in EU history). Meanwhile nRated is widely considered to be kept on the team as shotcaller and strategist, while his actual in-game skills were average at best, having to resort to unconventional picks like Kayle and Sona when he couldn't play Morgana. However, similarly to how Xpecial seemed to make his AD Carries look better than when they played with anyone else, Unlimited looked like a much better player while with Forgiven than with any other AD Carry, and it's not like Rekkles and Woolite (his other lane partners) were bad players. So that makes me hopeful that Forgiven can work with nRated to create a lane that will be able to compete with likes of Rekkles/Nyph and Woolite/Vander.

Seemingly, S5 SK has the whole package - shotcalling, strategies, coaching staff (re-signing their sports psychologist) and talent. Of course it is an experiment - Fox can turn out to be an overrated player and Forgiven can blow up in team's face in more than one way. Perhaps Fredy's and Svenskeren's level has significantly drop during the break. But if you ask me who I think the best European team will be in 2015, I respond "SK Gaming".

2. Elements

ex-Alliance is one unpredictable squad. In Spring they were a team that heavily relied on getting ahead early and figuring out how to close it out. In summer they seemed to clean their act and focused on winning in mid-late game, resembling CLG.EU a tiniest bit (especially when Froggen would try to just farm 6 items and win the game alone). It mostly seemed to work, with Alliance winning the EU LCS playoffs. However, after the Korean Bootcamp, a more coinflippy Alliance returned, having a great game against NJWS and then losing to Kabum in an embarrassing fashion. With the new season, they claim they are gonna focus on more aggressive play (but then that's what every EU team said ever, and people still call that region boring despite the statistics).

Anyway, Elements has an interesting bunch of players. Shook is regarded as an inconsistent genius - while I would argue that his impressive games rely just as much on him as on circumstances of that game, it's true that his form fluctuates from a top3 jungler in europe to a bottom one. This was originally attributed to his alleged LAN jitters, but I would argue he just hasn't outgrown that early Alliance style of being very good at snowballing games, but failing at coming back from a disadvantage unless an opportunity presents itself (which is to say, bad at creating opportunities when behind). Then there's Wickd, who just seems to be really good at playing certain champions and clueless on others, making questionable moves and even item builds. Overall hard to rank him, but definitely adds to the incosistency of the team. Finally, Froggen, who evolved his style a lot over the past year, but probably will always perform better on farming mages than roaming assassins - which isn't to say he's bad at the latter, but I'd imagine some other LCS midlaners could outperform him on that.

Rekkles tends to be considered overrated by more insightful league critics, who point out to his low damage output, especially compared to likes of Deft. I think it's worth mentioning that Fnatic was a much different team than Samsung Blue - where Acorn, Spirit and Heart would try to set the teamfight in a way that will allow Deft to safely output damage, xPeke, Soaz and Yellowstar would usually try to initiate on as many opponnents as possible, leaving Rekkles to survive on his own - which is what he excelled at, dancing just outside of enemy reach and sneaking in autoattacks whenever possible. Perhaps there were teamfights where Fnatic would benefit from him throwing himself in the frontline and forcing enemy team to react in a way beneficial for his teammates, but overall I think he played in a style that complimented his team. Finally, he gives Elements the much-needed consistency, that will perhaps help them avoid losses like the one against Kabum.

Overall with how EU is looking right now, Shook and Wickd should be ok even on their worse days. However, I'm giving SK an edge over them, as I think they are more complete as a team. Perhaps Elements is a better team on their best day, but unless that day is the final of LCS playoffs, I don't expect them to outperform the Alliance of S4 by a large margin.

3. ROCCAT

I'm probably the least hyped person for the new ROCCAT roster, and there are few reasons for that. First of all - I'm actually willing to judge a team based on their IEM performance. Yes, ROCCAT showed up with willtoliveless Ryu, Overpow is still transitioning to a new role and Woolite is building his synergy with Vander. However, the team that showed at IEM was completely aimless. Maybe Jankos didn't look like a shitter, but neither like the #1 European jungler people claim he is. Vander had more of an average run and Woolite just didn't impress at all.

I think a lot of original Roccat success came from good drafting and executing their comps properly rather than great laning or teamfighting. Now, Overpow will likely be a good replacement for Xaxus, considering people remember Xaxus mostly for being one of the first to introduce new picks )such as Alistar and Maokai) and Overpow shined mostly at being able to play multitude of champions at around the same level. I also consider IEM a fluke for Jankos and Vander. But I'm not very hopeful for their new pickups. First of all, I don't buy Woolite's hype at all. I think he failed to provide Copenhagen Wolves with same caliber of AD carrying as Rekkles and Forgiven, which are exact two players he's gonna compete against for the top spots in league. Second of all, nukeduck's career post-Lemondogs so far has kept me convinced, that dexter HAS in fact made him look good. Sure, he excells at roaming, capitalizing on ganks and splitpushing, but I think he's a very one-dimensional player and Roccat will suffer if enemy teams ban him out or prevent his snowball. Also, let's not forget that nukeduck wanted to play with Hyrqbot because he assumed he will camp mid even more than dexter, who himself liked ganking top from time to time. Jankos likes being a freestyle jungler who goes wherever he smells blood, so unless either of them changes their style, I can see disagreements in clutch situations that lead to a downward spiral.

I think they have enough talent and composure to beat lesser teams, but barring a perfect synergy between Jankos and nukeduck (and meta that benefits them), I don't expect them to break top2.

4. Meet your Makers

Over Season 4, SHC grew from a mix of OK players to a team that some even expected to go to Worlds. Spring split was all about MrRallez breaking out as another ADC talent and dragging his team to victory, while Summer saw a lot of improvement in the team with arrival of Selfie and lastshadow lastshadow lastshadow's coaching. While I'm not as optimistic about their chances to become a toptier team as some, I think they are at least good enough to be a gatekeeper - Mimer is pretty ok nowadays (as opposed to being EU Westrice in spring) and Selfie and Rallez will surely do the job. Of course Horo and Nisbeth are big unknowns, but Rallez was never really paired with a start support and still managed to do the job. Meanwhile Impaler would do great in 1 out of 10 games while being just sort of there in the other 9. H0ro's initial showing in Europe wasn't that great and being T1S jungler isn't necesarily the greatest legacy, but I think he has enough training and experience under his belt to be able to play well once he's accustomed to new environment.

5. Copenhagen Wolves

As some LR posters might recall, I always had a soft spot for Copenhagen Wolves. While they were as bad at closing out games as everyone, I think they had some of the best early game strats in Europe and they were always able to recognise their stars and provide them with whatever they needed to carry. Going back to spring, people tend to remember their slow games in regular split and weak performance in playoffs, but I remember them being convincingly ahead of Millenium and barely behind Gambit and Roccat in regular season, as well as their close performance against Gambit and Alliance in playoffs. Summer was much worse, which was to be expected considering they lost their two best players and found no luck in searching for their replacements. However, by the end of 2014 they finally replaced Cowtard - and notBjergsen is showing a lot more promise. Airwaks seems to be a much better player after one split and I personally have higher expectations for Freeze than I had for Woolite. It's not that they improved a ton, but they got their shit together by the end of the year, convincingly winning their relegation match against H2K. Now that Fnatic effectively disbanded, 5th place isn't even a great placement, despite meaning you're better than half of the league. I just think quite lowly of the lower half.

6. Gambit Gaming

Ooooooh booooy. So I claim that I take IEM seriously, but I put it's winner 3 spots below the team that lost to CLG?

First of all, it was great to see Diamond that tournament, he looked revitalised. P1noy, Niq and Cabochard all played well and Edward shown some engages worthy of M5. However, it was IEM. Maybe it's Groove's motivational speaches, maybe it's Diamond's ability to prepare for a tournament, or maybe they somehow managed to rebuild the original M5 spirit with new players, but I think they won't be able to reproduce their tournament play in round robin. A lot of it has to do with constant travelling of Diamond and Edward, which will also impact how much practice the rest of the team can get. But let's also not forget that P1noy didn't impress up until IEM and Cabochard had mixed results in the past.

Now, I think the S5 jungle will be much better for Diamond, with different champions filling different roles and smite buffs allowing new creative ways of farming and counterjungling. While Diamond's general game sense and ganks were good by S2 standards, nowadays he tends to rely a lot more on unconventional champions and outfarming his opponent. He didn't really get to do in S4, since the jungle was most suited for well-rounded, all-purpose junglers like Elise, Lee Sin and Kha'Zix, with Rengar being pretty much the only interesting exception. However, while I think the meta is much better for him now, I also think that he's past his prime and don't expect him to outperform likes of Svenskeren and Jankos.

Overall LCS format is the biggest Gambit's opponent. While I think SK and ALL are still better teams even in tournament format, I could imagine Gambit being the 3rd best EU team if we were still in S2-style tournament circuit. As it is, I don't expect greatness.

7. Unicorns of Love

UoL are your typical challenger team that qualified for LCS - they have talent in some positions, baddies in other and don't impress in terms of strategy. Their strenght definitely lies in sololaners - PoE was kicking ass in challenger for quite some time and Vizics is one of the most promising toplaners to come out of european soloq in a very long time, showing proficiency in both traditional and unconventional picks. However, Kikis so far looks like a few-tricks pony and it seems like it's just a matter of time until he runs out of tricks. Vardags is often a huge burden for the team - Hylissang usually does a good job of carrying it, but one has to wonder if he can save the lane against best LCS duos. They definitely have potential to suprise and take higher spots, but I would probably expect more from them in Summer, once they got some experience down and perhaps replaced some players.

8. H2K Gaming

I don't have big expectations for H2K. They are a huge online team, pretty much always looking worse when it comes to offline play. Of course LCS is a good way to overcome that, but there's also the fact that they lost their huge carry in Febiven, and his rumoured replacement Ryu didn't look very promising ever since coming to Europe. It's also worth mentioning that H2K were top of the challenger scene since forever but only got into LCS thanks to the expansion tournament, perhaps hinting a gap between established LCS veterans and challenger newcomers. Anyway, now that Febiven's gone, I find it very hard to expect anything from H2K.

9. fnatic

I have no faith in unproven Korean imports and I have no faith in Steelback. Yellowstar's great, so perhaps he can bring out greatness in Steelback, but his time on SK Prime really wasn't promising. Maybe Koreans turn out to be the one-in-milion that thrives in a weaker region. Maybe Febiven doesn't lose his will to live. But I'm expecting quite the opposite.

10. GIANTS

After dust has settled, UoL and H2K found themselves grabbing LCS spots, which meant the competition for the last spot was pretty much "the best of the rest". They beat Reason convincingly, but lost to H2K just as convincingly. Honestly, there's just nothing that hypes me up for Giants - they look like a team that will prove that Riot was too quick with expanding number of LCS spots and share the fate of MRN and Dragonborns. Anything but 10th will be considered a success.


Dammit, had to hype Tabzz more in article, trying to avoid bias clearly showed that i suck even more :<
Thanks for telling though.

Elements
SK
Roccat
MYM
Fnatic
Gambit
H2K
UoL
CW
Giants

I have no trust in UoL tricks playbook in long run, they might get playoffs going but not more than that, Giants is safe pick for getting relegated, they're good team but sadly enough will get outclassed heavily most likely.

About MYM, i actually agree, just by default they hadn't lost much, Mimer/Selfie/Rallez are here, Beelzehan is good enough to punch EU junglers and if Nisbeth can prove that he has his inner migxa, SHCAcerMYM can easily get top-3, even without having proper coach currently.

I have some trust in Fnatic on the other hand, unless Huni becomes next Seraph. having top-3 midlane and best support in the region should at least get them playoffs.
H2K/Gambit battle for 6th will be close, depends on who is going to lose will to live faster, Diamondprox or Hjarnan.
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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
January 09 2015 16:08 GMT
#6
1) Alliance (the new name is a lie)
2) roccat (beast)
3) SK (because I don't like the team, deal w/ it)
4) Gambit (passion = restored)
5) h2k (maybe worse depending on ryu)
6) mym
7) uol (probably going to have a good early split and then fall off)
8) fnatic (rip)
9) Struggle Wolves
10) Giants (I really wish they were better than this but they aren't. might end up 9. or 8. but really what difference does it make)
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Kenpark
Profile Joined March 2012
Germany2350 Posts
January 09 2015 16:10 GMT
#7
Great read !

I dont think SK will be that strong. Forgiven's biggest plus is his strong laning phase, but you cant be a dominant botlane with nRated as your support. Also I think Watdefox is the weakest of all the new mids minus maybe Pepi. I'd def rate PoE and Febiven over him not to speak of the established mids like Froggen, Selfie and niQ.
They still seem to adapt pretty well to patches and have good macro strategies, so def a top 3 candidate.

My tier list:

Tier 1: SK, Elements, Roccat
Tier 2: Gambit, Fnatic, MyM, UoL
Tier 3: H2K, Giants, CW

AlterKot
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Poland7525 Posts
January 09 2015 16:16 GMT
#8
Well maybe I'm overreacting about the "bias", but I can't help but feel you are too reserved about SK and rememeber some events of the past (Jankos losing will to live?) differently.

It's weird that I'm the one to rate MyM highly, considering I didn't think much of the team when their hype was strong, but I think Spring is gonna be mostly a learning experience or testing grounds for new rosters and I agree that Mimer/Selfie/Rallez trio developed into a very strong core of a team.
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oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-09 16:39:16
January 09 2015 16:30 GMT
#9
On January 10 2015 01:16 AlterKot wrote:
Well maybe I'm overreacting about the "bias", but I can't help but feel you are too reserved about SK and rememeber some events of the past (Jankos losing will to live?) differently.

It's weird that I'm the one to rate MyM highly, considering I didn't think much of the team when their hype was strong, but I think Spring is gonna be mostly a learning experience or testing grounds for new rosters and I agree that Mimer/Selfie/Rallez trio developed into a very strong core of a team.


I just expect Fredy/Svenskeren to go down now after hitting peak, nRated is going to get exposed more and more and Fox is clearly overhyped by some guys in community when he wasn't anything special in Challenger scene (SKP randomly transforming into top-2 challenger team with addition of Kikis? Bullshit, it was all watdefox for sure.).

But i'm all opened for critics, can't develop from 0 to hero only by having 100 comments every blog and 6 stars from 5 :>

MYM might be really cool if Rallez steps up, I feel that Rallez wants Selfie to be primary carry and plays as secondary threat in most times and it really holds them back when Selfie isn't on his game.

On January 10 2015 01:37 AlterKot wrote:
Well, my opinion on Fox is based pretty much fully on those matches against H2K and NiP and I just can't help but feel he can be a decent midlaner. Plus, in reality all he has to do is suck less than Jesiz :p


Haha :p
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AlterKot
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Poland7525 Posts
January 09 2015 16:37 GMT
#10
Well, my opinion on Fox is based pretty much fully on those matches against H2K and NiP and I just can't help but feel he can be a decent midlaner. Plus, in reality all he has to do is suck less than Jesiz :p
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Vektron
Profile Joined January 2015
Netherlands43 Posts
January 09 2015 16:51 GMT
#11
I don't think SK will overtake Elements. I think people overate SK's strategic prowess in the last season. Their shotcalling and vision control was actually not that good. They lost the playoffs against Alliance because they kept making hugely risky moves without proper vision. What they were good at was mostly pick and bans. In the summer playoffs( which was their shining light) they went into every game with favorable lane matchups. Which let them go toe to toe with much more skilled lineups and gave Sven a lot of freedom to do what he wanted.

And as for their new players, we don''t know how good Fox will be and we haven't seen Forgiven play competitive for a long time. And it is all going to be on forgiven's shoulders, he isn't the type of player who just does his job to help the team win. And I think SK will need time to adjust to that.

Elements is the only top team this season who doesn't really have a weakness. SK still have NRated, Roccat have Overpow in a new position. And with the addition of Rekkless Elements have the best midlaner and the best AD carry in the region, so the other teams would really need to hit some magic M5 type synergy to take first place next split.
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AlterKot
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Poland7525 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-09 17:06:14
January 09 2015 17:05 GMT
#12
Actually I remember reading some analysis of how SK didn't excell at number of wards they put but rather on knowing how to make full use of them and thus being able to save some money and time that most teams spent on trying to out-vision their opponents. I'll have to try and pay attention to whether they keep doing that in S5.

damnit where's my sk flair :p
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Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
January 09 2015 18:02 GMT
#13
Hm this makes me think we should have some kind of prediction game, or maybe just a TL Fantasy League.

Anyway, here is my prediction:

1. Roccat
2. SK
3. Elements

4. MYM
5. Gambit
6. Fnatic
7. UOL
8. H2k

9. CW
10. Giants

Indicated 3 tiers I see here. Especially middle tier 4-8 I could as well place the other way around, have no idea how to rank those
Off-season = best season
MajorityofOne
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada2506 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-10 01:49:28
January 09 2015 23:31 GMT
#14
Nice analysis...I feel like I have some tiny bias against SK, I've just seen them fall short so many times that even though logic tells me theyre one of the favorites I cant get behind them winning. Im a fan of FORGIVEN and can definitely see him keeping their bot lane competitive against some of the on-paper stronger duos.

Hard to know what to make of Gambit and Roccat after IEM. If Diamondprox retains the form he had at IEM during the split then that alone makes them a threat, but they've got 3 question marks who looked good at IEM against a pretty weak field. Roccat is really being hyped and Nukeduck probably makes them better, but IEM was pretty ugly.

Fnatic being in total flux makes this such an interesting split. One of the mainstays at the top is in a state of total transition.

1) Elements
2) SK
3) Roccat
4) Gambit (I'm an optimist)
5) MYM
6) H2K
7) Fnatic
8) UOL
9) CW
10) Giants
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
January 10 2015 00:23 GMT
#15
1. SK
2. Elements
3. Roccat
4. UoL
5. H2k
6. Gambit
7. Fnatic
8. MYM
9. CW
10. Giants
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nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-10 00:44:06
January 10 2015 00:32 GMT
#16
1.SK
2.Elements
3.Roccat
4.Uol
5.gambit
6.mym
7.fnc
8.cw
9.h2k
10.giants

Both eu and na are so hard to predict this season.Both of the last 2 seasons were easy to call with 1/2 exceptions but now seems veryyyy random.
On January 10 2015 09:23 Fionn wrote:
1. SK
2. Elements
3. Roccat
4. UoL
5. H2k
6. Gambit
7. Fnatic
8. MYM
9. CW
10. Giants


Can I just ask why h2k at #5?This is a team that lost promotion tournament and then got in just because the lcs expanded to 10 teams AND it lost it's star player and got a clear downgrade.

DNeon
Profile Joined January 2015
Australia203 Posts
January 10 2015 00:50 GMT
#17
Just gonna do predictions without explanation, I don't really know too much about the EU scene.

1: Elements
2: SK Gaming
3: Gambit
4: Roccat
5: Unicorns of Love
6: Fnatic
7: Giants
8: Meet your Makers
9: H2K gaming
10: Copenhagen Wolves
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Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-10 01:03:07
January 10 2015 00:56 GMT
#18
1. SSJ1 Neo-SK
2. Rekkles the last airbender
3. ROCCATducks
4. Gambit.int
5. Unicorns of overhype
6. Lomostar's dream team
7. Rydle and the scripting midlaner
8. Supa MYM Crew
9. Ryu's retirement home, hjarnan's jail cell
10. Youngbuck's talent agency

Yeah I have that little faith in H2K without febiven especially if it really is ryu as rumoured and I'm optimistic about giants, I do believe they will actually progress in LCS unlike their predecessors. The talent is there all they need to do is back it up.
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AlterKot
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Poland7525 Posts
January 10 2015 00:58 GMT
#19
On January 10 2015 09:32 nafta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2015 09:23 Fionn wrote:
1. SK
2. Elements
3. Roccat
4. UoL
5. H2k
6. Gambit
7. Fnatic
8. MYM
9. CW
10. Giants


Can I just ask why h2k at #5?This is a team that lost promotion tournament and then got in just because the lcs expanded to 10 teams AND it lost it's star player and got a clear downgrade.


Don't you know he's a korean dickrider :> ?
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Banana Smoothie
Profile Joined January 2015
United States53 Posts
January 10 2015 01:09 GMT
#20
1.Elements.
I don't know why there seems to be such a lack of faith in this team. Yes they did pick up an ADC who stylistically is different from Tabbz but Reckless is still an allstar. I don't expect EU's superteam to be giving away the number one spot this split and neither should you.

2.SK Gaming.
SK has picked up Forgiven and I expect him to be the best or second best ADC in EU this split but keeping them from the number one spot is a mid laner who hasn't played in LCS yet and an Nrated who I believe is in his last split of competitive play.

3.Gambit.
Gambit impressed me at IEM and Diamond looked like the jungler we all grew to know and love. This could be a stretch but I think Gambit will do well.

4. Roccat.
Roccat has a great lineup but not great enough to break top 3. Overpow to top lane only impressed me at moments during their last showing and everyone seems to be forgetting that with the Nukeduck signing. Woolite is IMO an underwhelming adc and they should have pushed for Tabbz/Forgiven/Candypanda in the offseason.

5. MYM
Supa Hot Crew(RIP best name EU) finished top 3 in EU last split before falling off in the playoffs and having to play through relegation. What was working for them last season was at times brilliant play from their mid laner Selfie and really solid team fighting/map movement from the team as a whole. I would put MYM higher if it wasn't for the pickup of Horo and not knowing how him and Selfie(now Kori I think?) will play together.

6-9. UOL. H2K. Giants. Fnatic.
No particular order here. These teams will struggle.

10. CW
The man who says he can, and the man who says he can not, are both correct.
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