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PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
December 30 2014 16:21 GMT
#1301
I wish Riot would just say "we can't do replays, we can't do east coast servers"
so we could just make moves on our own. but instead they become low priority promises that keep people quitting/transfering/keeping up to date replay stuff.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
December 30 2014 16:34 GMT
#1302
On December 31 2014 00:43 Kupon3ss wrote:
sure, if you consider those individual regions, then sure

But looking at things historically at more or less the only tournament that matters - the most riot approved one
S2 featured a winner from SEA with NA being clearly the weakest region
S3 featured a winner from Korea, with EU and China both having a pair of semifinalists and SEA/NA being roughly equal
S4 saw NA get their shit together a bit and end up edging out EU

The grand total of NA wins at international tournaments over the last 3 years is... IEM San Jose... and BotA?

oh and an MLG and IGN from like 2012

NA may not be absolutely last since S4 finals, but it has indeed historically been the weakest region

You forgot about S1:
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Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
December 30 2014 16:40 GMT
#1303
wasn't S1 just a lot of EU>NA before lol was even released in the regions that matter competitively?
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-30 16:47:17
December 30 2014 16:42 GMT
#1304
LEE SINGA

C9,CLG and Curse are the only notable American teams. I agree with Doublelift that TSM not even American team, just their organization is American.
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-30 17:00:42
December 30 2014 16:46 GMT
#1305
On December 31 2014 01:40 Kupon3ss wrote:
wasn't S1 just a lot of EU>NA before lol was even released in the regions that matter competitively?

Yes, I just wanted to post that video.

EDIT: Though NA also got shafted at S1 because pausing the game didn't exist yet so Riot made Epik play a 4v5 for 10 minutes rather than remake the game.

EDIT 2: Also, NA>EU in S1 until Riot decided that 3 solo lanes + full time roaming support was antifun, so they gutted all the common roamers and told everyone to play the "EU meta".
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nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
December 30 2014 17:09 GMT
#1306
Na also had to fly to eu and I doubt any of the na teams had any experience with handling jet lag.

Don't think clg have ever had a roster competent enough to reach higher than #3 in na since lcs started so no wonder they haven't.
IamPryda
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1186 Posts
December 30 2014 18:26 GMT
#1307
Right now I think the pecking order for season 5 is china>Korea>na>sea>eu. But who knows maybe this big influx of Korea talent into china won't be enough to stop the top Korean teams at world.
Moar banelings less qq
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-30 18:54:21
December 30 2014 18:30 GMT
#1308
^ pretty hilarious considering NA has only 1 decent team (also the only one which isnt full of imports) and even then they have like 50%winrate vs top3 eu
MattBarry
Profile Joined March 2011
United States4006 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-30 19:14:06
December 30 2014 19:11 GMT
#1309
On December 31 2014 03:26 IamPryda wrote:
Right now I think the pecking order for season 5 is china>Korea>na>sea>eu. But who knows maybe this big influx of Korea talent into china won't be enough to stop the top Korean teams at world.

This is a joke right. You think sea is better than eu and china is better than Korea. NA and EU are always neck and neck with EU constantly edging NA out. I'd be surprised if a Chinese team even looked competitive with a Korean team in Season 5 worlds. Even now SKT would put any Chinese team in the dumpster and make it look trivially easy.

With the exception of OMG, if they can mesh well with Uzi, they could really turn some heads
Platinum Support GOD
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-30 19:16:04
December 30 2014 19:15 GMT
#1310
Korea vs. China comes down to whether Korea trains its new talent faster than China overcomes the language barrier.
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-30 19:38:58
December 30 2014 19:38 GMT
#1311
On December 31 2014 04:15 TheYango wrote:
Korea vs. China comes down to whether Korea trains its new talent faster than China overcomes the language barrier.

Kespa teams really fucked up by letting good Koreans leave for Chinese teams. No doubt Korea can train and find players of same skill level, but they've let their enemies have access to their already trained players.
liftlift > tsm
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
December 30 2014 20:09 GMT
#1312
On December 31 2014 04:11 MattBarry wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2014 03:26 IamPryda wrote:
Right now I think the pecking order for season 5 is china>Korea>na>sea>eu. But who knows maybe this big influx of Korea talent into china won't be enough to stop the top Korean teams at world.

This is a joke right. You think sea is better than eu and china is better than Korea. NA and EU are always neck and neck with EU constantly edging NA out. I'd be surprised if a Chinese team even looked competitive with a Korean team in Season 5 worlds. Even now SKT would put any Chinese team in the dumpster and make it look trivially easy.

With the exception of OMG, if they can mesh well with Uzi, they could really turn some heads

Not this year.

SEA ahead of EU is a bit silly though.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
December 30 2014 20:11 GMT
#1313
To be fair SEA might get better now that LNL is gone and Taiwanese talent isn't restricted to make room for more Thai teams. I don't think they'll overtake EU though.
Glorious SEA doto
killerdog
Profile Joined February 2010
Denmark6522 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-30 20:17:25
December 30 2014 20:15 GMT
#1314
On December 31 2014 05:09 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2014 04:11 MattBarry wrote:
On December 31 2014 03:26 IamPryda wrote:
Right now I think the pecking order for season 5 is china>Korea>na>sea>eu. But who knows maybe this big influx of Korea talent into china won't be enough to stop the top Korean teams at world.

This is a joke right. You think sea is better than eu and china is better than Korea. NA and EU are always neck and neck with EU constantly edging NA out. I'd be surprised if a Chinese team even looked competitive with a Korean team in Season 5 worlds. Even now SKT would put any Chinese team in the dumpster and make it look trivially easy.

With the exception of OMG, if they can mesh well with Uzi, they could really turn some heads

Not this year.

SEA ahead of EU is a bit silly though.

really?

C9 did better at worlds, (with sk being down svenskeren in groups and alliance going full retarded against kabuum) but clg and tsm both just got stomped by supposedly b tier euw teams.

honestly it currently looks like C9 > top 3-5 euw teams >>> rest of na/euw which doesn't really make NA the all around "stronger" region. It's going to be interesting to see what happens when the dust settles and the new euw squads start getting comfortable.

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rito pls
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
December 30 2014 20:20 GMT
#1315
lol was just in the most toxic normal queue game of my life. best quote was "i thought gold was supposed to be good."
shit silver players say.
liftlift > tsm
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
December 30 2014 20:30 GMT
#1316
On December 31 2014 05:15 killerdog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2014 05:09 Gahlo wrote:
On December 31 2014 04:11 MattBarry wrote:
On December 31 2014 03:26 IamPryda wrote:
Right now I think the pecking order for season 5 is china>Korea>na>sea>eu. But who knows maybe this big influx of Korea talent into china won't be enough to stop the top Korean teams at world.

This is a joke right. You think sea is better than eu and china is better than Korea. NA and EU are always neck and neck with EU constantly edging NA out. I'd be surprised if a Chinese team even looked competitive with a Korean team in Season 5 worlds. Even now SKT would put any Chinese team in the dumpster and make it look trivially easy.

With the exception of OMG, if they can mesh well with Uzi, they could really turn some heads

Not this year.

SEA ahead of EU is a bit silly though.

really?

C9 did better at worlds, (with sk being down svenskeren in groups and alliance going full retarded against kabuum) but clg and tsm both just got stomped by supposedly b tier euw teams.

honestly it currently looks like C9 > top 3-5 euw teams >>> rest of na/euw which doesn't really make NA the all around "stronger" region. It's going to be interesting to see what happens when the dust settles and the new euw squads start getting comfortable.

+ Show Spoiler +
MORE INTERNATIONAL TOURNAMENTS
+ Show Spoiler +
rito pls

Kinda hard to judge anything off of Bo1s. In the end, the only results that actually matter is that 2 NA teams went through an no EU teams did. Also, CLG didn't even make it to worlds.
loSleb
Profile Joined December 2010
Austria1389 Posts
December 30 2014 20:33 GMT
#1317
http://lol.garena.com/news/sales/2474-the-feminist
lol
AlterKot
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Poland7525 Posts
December 30 2014 21:05 GMT
#1318
I really hope we'll get some cool matchups at Katowice this time. As of right now I don't think we have enough results to compare EU to NA, except that C9 is probably best in the west I guess. Not to mention that SK, Curse, TSM and Roccat are all in "potential" category and may turn out to be shit for whatever reason (Kikis made Fox look good and Unlimited made Forgiven look good, Piglet has a case of Ryu and Fenix has a case of Seraph, Santorin and Turtle don't improve, nukeduck and Woolite were overrated etc.)

http://www.reddit.com/user/RekklesLoL
Rekkles is doing AMA on reddit, some pretty cool answers (for example he doesn't think ALL players are better than his former teammates but more motivated).
Americans don't like to use unblockables, it is considered not honest. You press a button at the wrong time and hit the other person, you are random, not a top player. You DP Sim's far fierce, it is random and not honest.
killerdog
Profile Joined February 2010
Denmark6522 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-30 21:33:56
December 30 2014 21:30 GMT
#1319
On December 31 2014 05:30 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2014 05:15 killerdog wrote:
On December 31 2014 05:09 Gahlo wrote:
On December 31 2014 04:11 MattBarry wrote:
On December 31 2014 03:26 IamPryda wrote:
Right now I think the pecking order for season 5 is china>Korea>na>sea>eu. But who knows maybe this big influx of Korea talent into china won't be enough to stop the top Korean teams at world.

This is a joke right. You think sea is better than eu and china is better than Korea. NA and EU are always neck and neck with EU constantly edging NA out. I'd be surprised if a Chinese team even looked competitive with a Korean team in Season 5 worlds. Even now SKT would put any Chinese team in the dumpster and make it look trivially easy.

With the exception of OMG, if they can mesh well with Uzi, they could really turn some heads

Not this year.

SEA ahead of EU is a bit silly though.

really?

C9 did better at worlds, (with sk being down svenskeren in groups and alliance going full retarded against kabuum) but clg and tsm both just got stomped by supposedly b tier euw teams.

honestly it currently looks like C9 > top 3-5 euw teams >>> rest of na/euw which doesn't really make NA the all around "stronger" region. It's going to be interesting to see what happens when the dust settles and the new euw squads start getting comfortable.

+ Show Spoiler +
MORE INTERNATIONAL TOURNAMENTS
+ Show Spoiler +
rito pls

Kinda hard to judge anything off of Bo1s. In the end, the only results that actually matter is that 2 NA teams went through an no EU teams did. Also, CLG didn't even make it to worlds.

"Kinda hard to judge anything off of Bo1s"

"I'll base my arguments off a few teams playing a few bo1's"

We just had two more tournaments where the supposed best (according to summer playoffs) na team, and clg, supposedly the third best, both got completely wrecked by euw teams who weren't even in lcs last split. And these were Bo3's.

At this point it's a question of c9 vs whichever of alliance/peke's new team/whichever other eu teams actually survive until lcs starts. In terms of depth the last two events pretty much showed that (at least in preseason) euw has much more depth then NA does. You can't claim tsm going through at worlds matters, but them getting absolutely trashed by uol is irrelevant.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
December 30 2014 21:39 GMT
#1320
On December 31 2014 06:30 killerdog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2014 05:30 Gahlo wrote:
On December 31 2014 05:15 killerdog wrote:
On December 31 2014 05:09 Gahlo wrote:
On December 31 2014 04:11 MattBarry wrote:
On December 31 2014 03:26 IamPryda wrote:
Right now I think the pecking order for season 5 is china>Korea>na>sea>eu. But who knows maybe this big influx of Korea talent into china won't be enough to stop the top Korean teams at world.

This is a joke right. You think sea is better than eu and china is better than Korea. NA and EU are always neck and neck with EU constantly edging NA out. I'd be surprised if a Chinese team even looked competitive with a Korean team in Season 5 worlds. Even now SKT would put any Chinese team in the dumpster and make it look trivially easy.

With the exception of OMG, if they can mesh well with Uzi, they could really turn some heads

Not this year.

SEA ahead of EU is a bit silly though.

really?

C9 did better at worlds, (with sk being down svenskeren in groups and alliance going full retarded against kabuum) but clg and tsm both just got stomped by supposedly b tier euw teams.

honestly it currently looks like C9 > top 3-5 euw teams >>> rest of na/euw which doesn't really make NA the all around "stronger" region. It's going to be interesting to see what happens when the dust settles and the new euw squads start getting comfortable.

+ Show Spoiler +
MORE INTERNATIONAL TOURNAMENTS
+ Show Spoiler +
rito pls

Kinda hard to judge anything off of Bo1s. In the end, the only results that actually matter is that 2 NA teams went through an no EU teams did. Also, CLG didn't even make it to worlds.

"Kinda hard to judge anything off of Bo1s"

"I'll base my arguments off a few teams playing a few bo1's"

We just had two more tournaments where the supposed best (according to summer playoffs) na team, and clg, supposedly the third best, both got completely wrecked by euw teams who weren't even in lcs last split. And these were Bo3's.

At this point it's a question of c9 vs whichever of alliance/peke's new team/whichever other eu teams actually survive until lcs starts. In terms of depth the last two events pretty much showed that (at least in preseason) euw has much more depth then NA does. You can't claim tsm going through at worlds matters, but them getting absolutely trashed by uol is irrelevant.

A group is a lot more relevant of a measure than a Bo2 where all of them were split 1:1.

I absolute can claim that TSM performance at worlds mean more than a preseason tournament. TSM said before the event to not expect anything from them. But then again I guess the team name has to be named Fnatic and the show of not caring/being in mid season form has to be delayed until AFTER the tournament to be valid.
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