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Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
June 25 2014 18:58 GMT
#1381
On June 26 2014 03:57 Nos- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2014 03:54 Fusilero wrote:
On June 26 2014 03:51 Nos- wrote:
but you get to work with ESPORTS, the ultimate reward

Banking on the ESPORTS PASSION is a questionable at best method of recruitment.

I never said it was a good proposal

So you have no ESPORTS PASSION!?
Glorious SEA doto
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
June 25 2014 19:00 GMT
#1382
I have lost my passion
Bronze player stuck in platinum
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
June 25 2014 19:01 GMT
#1383
On June 26 2014 03:51 Goumindong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2014 03:42 wei2coolman wrote:
http://clgaming.net/news/595-clg-seeks-new-director-of-finance-and-operations

Anyone else think that the pay is shit considering the qualifications they're looking for?


2 Years work experience and a Bachelors for 40-50k(lets be less than generous and suggest that the value of the rent is only 500 dollars/month)? Not too bad. Edit: I mean so long as you don't already have a job. Their qualification list isn't high though the responsiblities they're asking seem a bit high considering what they want the other two doing.

I mean. If you're already in that field for 2 years, you're probably already getting paid more to do a lot less. Then again liquid112 gave up a lot of money to be with curse when he first joined on as manager, and now he's the owner of the esports division of curse.
liftlift > tsm
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-25 19:02:16
June 25 2014 19:01 GMT
#1384
they'd be better off hiring a team of 2 guys for 30k a year and make the GM in charge of the team. one in charge of outward communication and organization, one doing the books.
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
June 25 2014 19:05 GMT
#1385
Lol.

Clg is either not going to find anyone or are going to hire an unqualified wide eyed fool having no idea what they are walking into.


They want to pay a qualified ceo data entry monies.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
June 25 2014 19:05 GMT
#1386
On June 26 2014 04:01 PrinceXizor wrote:
they'd be better off hiring a team of 2 guys for 30k a year and make the GM in charge of the team. one in charge of outward communication and organization, one doing the books.

They probably don't have the money for it, that's why they're trying to leverage their shit pay with the Esports DREAM.
liftlift > tsm
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
June 25 2014 19:07 GMT
#1387
On June 26 2014 04:05 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2014 04:01 PrinceXizor wrote:
they'd be better off hiring a team of 2 guys for 30k a year and make the GM in charge of the team. one in charge of outward communication and organization, one doing the books.

They probably don't have the money for it, that's why they're trying to leverage their shit pay with the Esports DREAM.

the qualified people won't do it for that money and the people who would aren't qualified.
Bronze player stuck in platinum
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
June 25 2014 19:08 GMT
#1388
That is a joke recruitment post. 45k 2 years experience for a deadend job. Good luck with that.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
June 25 2014 19:17 GMT
#1389
On June 26 2014 04:07 Nos- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2014 04:05 wei2coolman wrote:
On June 26 2014 04:01 PrinceXizor wrote:
they'd be better off hiring a team of 2 guys for 30k a year and make the GM in charge of the team. one in charge of outward communication and organization, one doing the books.

They probably don't have the money for it, that's why they're trying to leverage their shit pay with the Esports DREAM.

the qualified people won't do it for that money and the people who would aren't qualified.

But qualified people could live the ESPORTS DREAM!!!
It wouldn't be a bad job to take as an insane resume booster if you don't mind shooting yourself in the foot for a couple of years. If you could successfully fulfill the responsibilities it'd look really favorably if you applied for a much higher paying position later on. But that's a lot of "if's". Not worth imo.
liftlift > tsm
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
June 25 2014 19:18 GMT
#1390
OpenDNS has blocked clgaming.net due to a security threat that was discovered by the Umbrella Labs.


l0l
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Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
June 25 2014 19:21 GMT
#1391
On June 26 2014 03:56 PrinceXizor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2014 03:51 Goumindong wrote:
On June 26 2014 03:42 wei2coolman wrote:
http://clgaming.net/news/595-clg-seeks-new-director-of-finance-and-operations

Anyone else think that the pay is shit considering the qualifications they're looking for?


2 Years work experience and a Bachelors for 40-50k(lets be less than generous and suggest that the value of the rent is only 500 dollars/month)? Not too bad.

40k annually for doing the entirety of CLGs actual functional backend. all of the finances all of communication with legal teams and store personel. and then being expected to help with promo stuff and managing the team in addition to that. is a lot of work. that's not much. people with that much responsibility are executives in other companies.


Yea, i just looked at the qualifications list they asked for, not the responsibilities.
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
June 25 2014 19:28 GMT
#1392
On June 26 2014 04:17 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2014 04:07 Nos- wrote:
On June 26 2014 04:05 wei2coolman wrote:
On June 26 2014 04:01 PrinceXizor wrote:
they'd be better off hiring a team of 2 guys for 30k a year and make the GM in charge of the team. one in charge of outward communication and organization, one doing the books.

They probably don't have the money for it, that's why they're trying to leverage their shit pay with the Esports DREAM.

the qualified people won't do it for that money and the people who would aren't qualified.

But qualified people could live the ESPORTS DREAM!!!
It wouldn't be a bad job to take as an insane resume booster if you don't mind shooting yourself in the foot for a couple of years. If you could successfully fulfill the responsibilities it'd look really favorably if you applied for a much higher paying position later on. But that's a lot of "if's". Not worth imo.

thats kind of why i think they'd be better served dropping 10 grand more a year on a second person to split the work. give them both high level experience in the field out of college and paying them livable amounts. with that kind of thing on you resume you could skip a few rungs on the corporate ladder afterwards.
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
June 25 2014 19:39 GMT
#1393
On June 26 2014 04:28 PrinceXizor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2014 04:17 wei2coolman wrote:
On June 26 2014 04:07 Nos- wrote:
On June 26 2014 04:05 wei2coolman wrote:
On June 26 2014 04:01 PrinceXizor wrote:
they'd be better off hiring a team of 2 guys for 30k a year and make the GM in charge of the team. one in charge of outward communication and organization, one doing the books.

They probably don't have the money for it, that's why they're trying to leverage their shit pay with the Esports DREAM.

the qualified people won't do it for that money and the people who would aren't qualified.

But qualified people could live the ESPORTS DREAM!!!
It wouldn't be a bad job to take as an insane resume booster if you don't mind shooting yourself in the foot for a couple of years. If you could successfully fulfill the responsibilities it'd look really favorably if you applied for a much higher paying position later on. But that's a lot of "if's". Not worth imo.

thats kind of why i think they'd be better served dropping 10 grand more a year on a second person to split the work. give them both high level experience in the field out of college and paying them livable amounts. with that kind of thing on you resume you could skip a few rungs on the corporate ladder afterwards.

I kinda agree with this. You could probably get two college grads with a year of relevant experience each for 50-60k who are willing to bust their ass for you in exchange for the experience.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
chalice
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1945 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-25 19:41:10
June 25 2014 19:40 GMT
#1394
asking your chief financial officer who also manages your staff to do intern shit like social media and assisting with content production is retarded.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
June 25 2014 19:40 GMT
#1395
On June 26 2014 04:39 Amui wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2014 04:28 PrinceXizor wrote:
On June 26 2014 04:17 wei2coolman wrote:
On June 26 2014 04:07 Nos- wrote:
On June 26 2014 04:05 wei2coolman wrote:
On June 26 2014 04:01 PrinceXizor wrote:
they'd be better off hiring a team of 2 guys for 30k a year and make the GM in charge of the team. one in charge of outward communication and organization, one doing the books.

They probably don't have the money for it, that's why they're trying to leverage their shit pay with the Esports DREAM.

the qualified people won't do it for that money and the people who would aren't qualified.

But qualified people could live the ESPORTS DREAM!!!
It wouldn't be a bad job to take as an insane resume booster if you don't mind shooting yourself in the foot for a couple of years. If you could successfully fulfill the responsibilities it'd look really favorably if you applied for a much higher paying position later on. But that's a lot of "if's". Not worth imo.

thats kind of why i think they'd be better served dropping 10 grand more a year on a second person to split the work. give them both high level experience in the field out of college and paying them livable amounts. with that kind of thing on you resume you could skip a few rungs on the corporate ladder afterwards.

I kinda agree with this. You could probably get two college grads with a year of relevant experience each for 50-60k who are willing to bust their ass for you in exchange for the experience.

Especially since it's more a short term endeavor, esports moving so fast, and the stability isn't as guaranteed, it won't be so bad for those who are new to the market, and don't have much to lose.
liftlift > tsm
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
June 25 2014 19:49 GMT
#1396
Sounds like people are surprised here that a startup (eSports isn't really different from poorly managed startups, except that these startups usually go bust before securing series A whereas the power of ESPORTS can carry idiots for quite some time) is seeking extremely well qualified candidates for positions that they can underpay.

But maybe you'll also get paid in CLG equity, in which case your premium is 50-100k of forgone salary for the opportunity to get millions.
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-25 20:08:43
June 25 2014 20:06 GMT
#1397
On June 26 2014 04:49 xes wrote:
Sounds like people are surprised here that a startup (eSports isn't really different from poorly managed startups, except that these startups usually go bust before securing series A whereas the power of ESPORTS can carry idiots for quite some time) is seeking extremely well qualified candidates for positions that they can underpay.

But maybe you'll also get paid in CLG equity, in which case your premium is 50-100k of forgone salary for the opportunity to get millions.

No one is surprised at the fact CLG can't actually afford to pay market value, I think we're more surprised that they'd be this far off the mark.

And the listing never listed any profit sharing deals either

EDIT: NVM, it says "bonus structure", but that's not very clear. Also doesn't mention health or dental plans, nor does it mention any 401k programs, all of which are offered by companies looking for candidates of similar pre-reqs.
liftlift > tsm
Disengaged
Profile Joined July 2010
United States6994 Posts
June 25 2014 20:12 GMT
#1398
On June 26 2014 04:18 xes wrote:
Show nested quote +
OpenDNS has blocked clgaming.net due to a security threat that was discovered by the Umbrella Labs.


l0l


So, Wesker is back.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
June 25 2014 20:45 GMT
#1399
On June 26 2014 04:49 xes wrote:
Sounds like people are surprised here that a startup (eSports isn't really different from poorly managed startups, except that these startups usually go bust before securing series A whereas the power of ESPORTS can carry idiots for quite some time) is seeking extremely well qualified candidates for positions that they can underpay.

But maybe you'll also get paid in CLG equity, in which case your premium is 50-100k of forgone salary for the opportunity to get millions.

$35~45k is decent pay, but not if you're gonna require 2 years of professional work experience. That's like...straight out of undergrad pay scale.

People with that level of experience will be willing to join startups for low pay if they believe that said startup will lead to bigger and better things. As much as Esports is growing, the risk is still extremely high and most likely not worth it. On top of that, CLG isn't exactly a new startup anymore. They've been around for at least 4 years and if this is all they can offer after four years, it doesn't speak well to their growth/past management.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
June 25 2014 21:01 GMT
#1400
On June 26 2014 05:45 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2014 04:49 xes wrote:
Sounds like people are surprised here that a startup (eSports isn't really different from poorly managed startups, except that these startups usually go bust before securing series A whereas the power of ESPORTS can carry idiots for quite some time) is seeking extremely well qualified candidates for positions that they can underpay.

But maybe you'll also get paid in CLG equity, in which case your premium is 50-100k of forgone salary for the opportunity to get millions.

$35~45k is decent pay, but not if you're gonna require 2 years of professional work experience. That's like...straight out of undergrad pay scale.

People with that level of experience will be willing to join startups for low pay if they believe that said startup will lead to bigger and better things. As much as Esports is growing, the risk is still extremely high and most likely not worth it. On top of that, CLG isn't exactly a new startup anymore. They've been around for at least 4 years and if this is all they can offer after four years, it doesn't speak well to their growth/past management.

Now that I'm thinking about it. If they just called the position CFO, more people would be willing to work for the weak pay for the nice Resume boosting title. "CFO of one of the leading esports brand in the West".
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