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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
March 29 2014 05:18 GMT
#2181
On March 29 2014 14:07 Eiii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2014 13:22 GolemMadness wrote:
You can get dropped, but your MMR needs to fall to two divisions lower. So if you're gold 5, you need to have either silver 5 or bronze 1 MMR, I believe.


The real question is, does this mean you can never get demoted from silver 5?


Someone need to test this for the name of science.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
GettingIt
Profile Joined August 2011
1656 Posts
March 29 2014 05:35 GMT
#2182
On March 29 2014 14:18 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2014 14:07 Eiii wrote:
On March 29 2014 13:22 GolemMadness wrote:
You can get dropped, but your MMR needs to fall to two divisions lower. So if you're gold 5, you need to have either silver 5 or bronze 1 MMR, I believe.


The real question is, does this mean you can never get demoted from silver 5?


Someone need to test this for the name of science.


Thats actually a pretty good question lol. Am interested in the answer.
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
March 29 2014 07:18 GMT
#2183
On March 29 2014 14:07 Eiii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2014 13:22 GolemMadness wrote:
You can get dropped, but your MMR needs to fall to two divisions lower. So if you're gold 5, you need to have either silver 5 or bronze 1 MMR, I believe.


The real question is, does this mean you can never get demoted from silver 5?


Of course you can. Your MMR can go infinitely low.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
March 29 2014 07:41 GMT
#2184
Eve's popularity and ban rate goes up every day. Soon I might actually have to learn another jungler.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
killerdog
Profile Joined February 2010
Denmark6522 Posts
March 29 2014 07:45 GMT
#2185
On March 29 2014 16:18 GolemMadness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2014 14:07 Eiii wrote:
On March 29 2014 13:22 GolemMadness wrote:
You can get dropped, but your MMR needs to fall to two divisions lower. So if you're gold 5, you need to have either silver 5 or bronze 1 MMR, I believe.


The real question is, does this mean you can never get demoted from silver 5?


Of course you can. Your MMR can go infinitely low.

But the bounds of bronze five go down to infinity, so you can never be more then 1 division below silver 5.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
March 29 2014 07:53 GMT
#2186
On March 29 2014 16:45 killerdog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2014 16:18 GolemMadness wrote:
On March 29 2014 14:07 Eiii wrote:
On March 29 2014 13:22 GolemMadness wrote:
You can get dropped, but your MMR needs to fall to two divisions lower. So if you're gold 5, you need to have either silver 5 or bronze 1 MMR, I believe.


The real question is, does this mean you can never get demoted from silver 5?


Of course you can. Your MMR can go infinitely low.

But the bounds of bronze five go down to infinity, so you can never be more then 1 division below silver 5.

Inactivity yo.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
March 29 2014 07:59 GMT
#2187
On March 29 2014 16:18 GolemMadness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2014 14:07 Eiii wrote:
On March 29 2014 13:22 GolemMadness wrote:
You can get dropped, but your MMR needs to fall to two divisions lower. So if you're gold 5, you need to have either silver 5 or bronze 1 MMR, I believe.


The real question is, does this mean you can never get demoted from silver 5?


Of course you can. Your MMR can go infinitely low.


Sure, but think about it this way.

It is known (or at least, told to us by Riot) that you can drop from Gold to Silver if your MMR is Bronze. At this point we agree that you can drop from Silver to Bronze if your MMR is sufficiently low. This implies that there is an imaginary Wood tier division which is invisible to us, yet still used by the game for demotion purposes.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
killerdog
Profile Joined February 2010
Denmark6522 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-29 08:07:38
March 29 2014 08:07 GMT
#2188
On March 29 2014 16:59 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2014 16:18 GolemMadness wrote:
On March 29 2014 14:07 Eiii wrote:
On March 29 2014 13:22 GolemMadness wrote:
You can get dropped, but your MMR needs to fall to two divisions lower. So if you're gold 5, you need to have either silver 5 or bronze 1 MMR, I believe.


The real question is, does this mean you can never get demoted from silver 5?


Of course you can. Your MMR can go infinitely low.


Sure, but think about it this way.

It is known (or at least, told to us by Riot) that you can drop from Gold to Silver if your MMR is Bronze. At this point we agree that you can drop from Silver to Bronze if your MMR is sufficiently low. This implies that there is an imaginary Wood tier division which is invisible to us, yet still used by the game for demotion purposes.

They've probably just set an arbitrary mmr line for demotion. But being anally retentive is fun :<
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
March 29 2014 08:33 GMT
#2189
On March 29 2014 16:59 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2014 16:18 GolemMadness wrote:
On March 29 2014 14:07 Eiii wrote:
On March 29 2014 13:22 GolemMadness wrote:
You can get dropped, but your MMR needs to fall to two divisions lower. So if you're gold 5, you need to have either silver 5 or bronze 1 MMR, I believe.


The real question is, does this mean you can never get demoted from silver 5?


Of course you can. Your MMR can go infinitely low.


Sure, but think about it this way.

It is known (or at least, told to us by Riot) that you can drop from Gold to Silver if your MMR is Bronze. At this point we agree that you can drop from Silver to Bronze if your MMR is sufficiently low. This implies that there is an imaginary Wood tier division which is invisible to us, yet still used by the game for demotion purposes.


It's just a number. Say gold is 1,400, silver is 1,200 and bronze is 1,000; so your MMR would have to be 800 to drop to bronze.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
March 29 2014 08:49 GMT
#2190
I just saw my first Spirit Guard Udyr since probably last September/October. I really can't believe they haven't tried to give him any help since the wierd "rework" a few months before they released it.

Has anyone played him recently? Is he good against Khazix? He theoretically seems decent against Khazix.
Freeeeeeedom
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
March 29 2014 09:00 GMT
#2191
On March 29 2014 16:59 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2014 16:18 GolemMadness wrote:
On March 29 2014 14:07 Eiii wrote:
On March 29 2014 13:22 GolemMadness wrote:
You can get dropped, but your MMR needs to fall to two divisions lower. So if you're gold 5, you need to have either silver 5 or bronze 1 MMR, I believe.


The real question is, does this mean you can never get demoted from silver 5?


Of course you can. Your MMR can go infinitely low.


Sure, but think about it this way.

It is known (or at least, told to us by Riot) that you can drop from Gold to Silver if your MMR is Bronze. At this point we agree that you can drop from Silver to Bronze if your MMR is sufficiently low. This implies that there is an imaginary Wood tier division which is invisible to us, yet still used by the game for demotion purposes.

No, it's just a full tier(ie. Silver 5 while in Gold 5.)

On March 29 2014 17:33 GolemMadness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2014 16:59 Sufficiency wrote:
On March 29 2014 16:18 GolemMadness wrote:
On March 29 2014 14:07 Eiii wrote:
On March 29 2014 13:22 GolemMadness wrote:
You can get dropped, but your MMR needs to fall to two divisions lower. So if you're gold 5, you need to have either silver 5 or bronze 1 MMR, I believe.


The real question is, does this mean you can never get demoted from silver 5?


Of course you can. Your MMR can go infinitely low.


Sure, but think about it this way.

It is known (or at least, told to us by Riot) that you can drop from Gold to Silver if your MMR is Bronze. At this point we agree that you can drop from Silver to Bronze if your MMR is sufficiently low. This implies that there is an imaginary Wood tier division which is invisible to us, yet still used by the game for demotion purposes.


It's just a number. Say gold is 1,400, silver is 1,200 and bronze is 1,000; so your MMR would have to be 800 to drop to bronze.

Not for nothing, but silver5 is 1150 and gold5 is 1500. The high range of bronze5 is the 860s(brozne4 is 870.)

On March 29 2014 17:49 cLutZ wrote:
I just saw my first Spirit Guard Udyr since probably last September/October. I really can't believe they haven't tried to give him any help since the wierd "rework" a few months before they released it.

Has anyone played him recently? Is he good against Khazix? He theoretically seems decent against Khazix.

Saw him recently. He ran at people and murdered them. However, I'm not sure if it's because Udyr is any good or because my team sucked.
killerdog
Profile Joined February 2010
Denmark6522 Posts
March 29 2014 12:12 GMT
#2192
You guys should go watch skt1 k vs KT arrows
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
March 29 2014 14:02 GMT
#2193
I would say Udyr is mediocre. He has some perks, sure, but his single target melee range cc makes me cringe.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
killerdog
Profile Joined February 2010
Denmark6522 Posts
March 29 2014 14:09 GMT
#2194
On March 29 2014 23:02 Sufficiency wrote:
I would say Udyr is mediocre. He has some perks, sure, but his single target melee range cc makes me cringe.

Paging doctor slayer
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
March 29 2014 14:26 GMT
#2195
On March 29 2014 23:09 killerdog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2014 23:02 Sufficiency wrote:
I would say Udyr is mediocre. He has some perks, sure, but his single target melee range cc makes me cringe.

Paging doctor slayer


I don’t think he is bad, but why not play an early snowball champion like Lee or Elise? Or play K6? Or play an initiator with AOE CC like mummy/pig/pony?

https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-29 14:49:34
March 29 2014 14:48 GMT
#2196
On March 29 2014 16:41 GolemMadness wrote:
Eve's popularity and ban rate goes up every day. Soon I might actually have to learn another jungler.

Dude, Eve is crazy. I personally prefer her over all the hyped AD casters including Panth.

Half of the champs you mentioned are trash, Sufficiency ;p

Dr. Slayer will agree with you that Udyr isn't up to par with Eve+AD casters in the jungle atm
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
Yezzus
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
United States2318 Posts
March 29 2014 14:48 GMT
#2197
On March 29 2014 13:17 canikizu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2014 13:14 AleKSei23 wrote:
Whats the threshold to get demoted a division? im having such bad times that im wondering how long will it take to be silver again

You can't drop down from division. You can drop a rank from gold 4 to gold 5, but you can't drop from gold to silver iirc.

Yes you can
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
March 29 2014 15:00 GMT
#2198
On March 29 2014 23:48 Scip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2014 16:41 GolemMadness wrote:
Eve's popularity and ban rate goes up every day. Soon I might actually have to learn another jungler.

Dude, Eve is crazy. I personally prefer her over all the hyped AD casters including Panth.

Half of the champs you mentioned are trash, Sufficiency ;p

Dr. Slayer will agree with you that Udyr isn't up to par with Eve+AD casters in the jungle atm


Well not everyone's in challenger. Amumu is still very effective unless you are the 1%.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
March 29 2014 15:01 GMT
#2199
I think he means the pig/pony part
Bronze player stuck in platinum
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
March 29 2014 15:11 GMT
#2200
On March 30 2014 00:01 Nos- wrote:
I think he means the pig/pony part


I think the pig is fine. I am not willing to claim she is better than Amumu, but definitely playable and fairly strong.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
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