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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-29 15:31:03
March 29 2014 15:30 GMT
#2201
Fiora jungle still underrated ^_^

Too bad Riot's never going to buff her
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
March 29 2014 15:32 GMT
#2202
On March 29 2014 23:48 Scip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2014 16:41 GolemMadness wrote:
Eve's popularity and ban rate goes up every day. Soon I might actually have to learn another jungler.

Dude, Eve is crazy. I personally prefer her over all the hyped AD casters including Panth.

Half of the champs you mentioned are trash, Sufficiency ;p

Dr. Slayer will agree with you that Udyr isn't up to par with Eve+AD casters in the jungle atm


do you also like the current elder lizard > Hexdrinker>randuins/whatever tanky item build?
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
March 29 2014 16:00 GMT
#2203
udyr isnt broken stronk like the current things people are jungling but still real stronk
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-29 16:21:42
March 29 2014 16:21 GMT
#2204
On March 30 2014 00:32 AsnSensation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2014 23:48 Scip wrote:
On March 29 2014 16:41 GolemMadness wrote:
Eve's popularity and ban rate goes up every day. Soon I might actually have to learn another jungler.

Dude, Eve is crazy. I personally prefer her over all the hyped AD casters including Panth.

Half of the champs you mentioned are trash, Sufficiency ;p

Dr. Slayer will agree with you that Udyr isn't up to par with Eve+AD casters in the jungle atm


do you also like the current elder lizard > Hexdrinker>randuins/whatever tanky item build?

yes
hexdrinker is situational but oftentimes good
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
March 29 2014 16:57 GMT
#2205
On March 29 2014 23:26 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2014 23:09 killerdog wrote:
On March 29 2014 23:02 Sufficiency wrote:
I would say Udyr is mediocre. He has some perks, sure, but his single target melee range cc makes me cringe.

Paging doctor slayer


I don’t think he is bad, but why not play an early snowball champion like Lee or Elise? Or play K6? Or play an initiator with AOE CC like mummy/pig/pony?


why do you not have Udyr under early snowball champion? He has unrivaled jungle control, literally noone save lee sin, and even thats questionable can stand toe to toe with him early levels by theirselves

and if he even gets a kill or two lead, he can snowball into the most undying imbalanced mother fucker you will ever see
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
March 29 2014 16:58 GMT
#2206
udyr beats leesin at level 4 and every time after
chalice
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1945 Posts
March 29 2014 17:07 GMT
#2207
On March 30 2014 01:57 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2014 23:26 Sufficiency wrote:
On March 29 2014 23:09 killerdog wrote:
On March 29 2014 23:02 Sufficiency wrote:
I would say Udyr is mediocre. He has some perks, sure, but his single target melee range cc makes me cringe.

Paging doctor slayer


I don’t think he is bad, but why not play an early snowball champion like Lee or Elise? Or play K6? Or play an initiator with AOE CC like mummy/pig/pony?


why do you not have Udyr under early snowball champion? He has unrivaled jungle control, literally noone save lee sin, and even thats questionable can stand toe to toe with him early levels by theirselves

and if he even gets a kill or two lead, he can snowball into the most undying imbalanced mother fucker you will ever see

snowballing on a champ that has no gap closer to kill people who run away from you and no real game-changing teamfight presence isn't particularly useful compared to what more popular picks can do if they get ahead.
Don_Julio
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
2220 Posts
March 29 2014 17:12 GMT
#2208
Competitive LoL talkshow featuring TL residents Neo and Chexx. Make us proud. The hopes of the community rest on your shoulders.
Kyrie
Profile Joined June 2013
1594 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-29 17:14:48
March 29 2014 17:14 GMT
#2209
On March 30 2014 02:12 Don_Julio wrote:
Competitive LoL talkshow featuring TL residents Neo and Chexx. Make us proud. The hopes of the community rest on your shoulders.

on a scale of asports to zsports, i'd give it an esports
Fildun
Profile Joined December 2012
Netherlands4123 Posts
March 29 2014 17:15 GMT
#2210
On March 30 2014 01:21 Scip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2014 00:32 AsnSensation wrote:
On March 29 2014 23:48 Scip wrote:
On March 29 2014 16:41 GolemMadness wrote:
Eve's popularity and ban rate goes up every day. Soon I might actually have to learn another jungler.

Dude, Eve is crazy. I personally prefer her over all the hyped AD casters including Panth.

Half of the champs you mentioned are trash, Sufficiency ;p

Dr. Slayer will agree with you that Udyr isn't up to par with Eve+AD casters in the jungle atm


do you also like the current elder lizard > Hexdrinker>randuins/whatever tanky item build?

yes
hexdrinker is situational but oftentimes good

What do you think about IBG on her. Also are you as manly as I am and do you build double BT on her when ahead?
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
March 29 2014 17:16 GMT
#2211
I’m also pleased to announce that we will not have only one show per week, but five, each covering the major regions (CN, SEA, KOR, NA, EU) every week

Neo "Jack Ho" illusions is going to have a looooooooot of screen time in here.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-29 17:19:56
March 29 2014 17:19 GMT
#2212
"Chief Editor of Korean Content for TeamLiquid" that's a pretty fucking awesome title, Chexx

I build IBG on Eve if they have 0 or close to 0 magic dmg, I think it's a fine item on her.
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
March 29 2014 17:20 GMT
#2213
It's a pretty swell title considering the only thing he has to do is say "koreans r gud @ LoL"
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
March 29 2014 17:22 GMT
#2214
Why are there so many writers though, instead of something like knowledgeable players? I guess those would consider it a waste of time
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
March 29 2014 17:27 GMT
#2215
On March 30 2014 01:58 Slayer91 wrote:
udyr beats leesin at level 4 and every time after


Just wondering, but what about Khazix? The reason I asked it upfront is because it seems like you should be able to just body up on the bug, which is the opposite experience that most of them will have in games.

Also, Lee Sin's dueling in the jungle is kinda overrated in general right now IMO. His nerfs really cut that down over the years (and a lot of his traditional dueling is because of Dblade starts in S3). Sure he beats Eve, but his real strength is mobility.
Freeeeeeedom
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
March 29 2014 17:30 GMT
#2216
On March 30 2014 02:22 Scip wrote:
Why are there so many writers though, instead of something like knowledgeable players? I guess those would consider it a waste of time

Scip on the talk show 2k14.
Glorious SEA doto
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
March 29 2014 17:31 GMT
#2217
On March 30 2014 02:27 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2014 01:58 Slayer91 wrote:
udyr beats leesin at level 4 and every time after


Just wondering, but what about Khazix? The reason I asked it upfront is because it seems like you should be able to just body up on the bug, which is the opposite experience that most of them will have in games.

Also, Lee Sin's dueling in the jungle is kinda overrated in general right now IMO. His nerfs really cut that down over the years (and a lot of his traditional dueling is because of Dblade starts in S3). Sure he beats Eve, but his real strength is mobility.


thats why you take ignite as eve vs lee in that MU, allows you to beat him. Flash doesnt do much for eve anyway, W is a good enough escape when you build tank.
I come in for the scraps
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-29 17:45:10
March 29 2014 17:39 GMT
#2218
On March 30 2014 02:16 Alaric wrote:
Show nested quote +
I’m also pleased to announce that we will not have only one show per week, but five, each covering the major regions (CN, SEA, KOR, NA, EU) every week

Neo "Jack Ho" illusions is going to have a looooooooot of screen time in here.

Neo 'jack'"regularly watches all 5 leagues"'ho' illusions
On March 30 2014 02:22 Scip wrote:
Why are there so many writers though, instead of something like knowledgeable players? I guess those would consider it a waste of time

because majority of knowledgeable players are either still playing or coaching.
and this is strictly competitive level lol, so solo queue players need not apply


Barry “Edelweiss” Lee: Prominent Reddit user and keen Korean Scene observer

lol.
liftlift > tsm
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
March 29 2014 17:44 GMT
#2219
Damn, apparently I'm going to play in Black Monster Cup where the 1st place prize is 6k euro
interesting
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-29 17:46:45
March 29 2014 17:46 GMT
#2220
On March 30 2014 02:22 Scip wrote:
Why are there so many writers though, instead of something like knowledgeable players? I guess those would consider it a waste of time


what scip is saying is
WHY DID NOBODY INVITE ME
IM CHALLENGER GIVE ME ATTENTIONINO

edit
On March 30 2014 02:44 Scip wrote:
Damn, apparently I'm going to play in Black Monster Cup where the 1st place prize is 6k euro
interesting


case in point
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