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On April 03 2014 03:06 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 02:55 las91 wrote:
I'm pretty sure my champion pool is holding me back from progression from Platinum, what should I be learning for top lane and mid lane specifically? My Gragas is horrible and Renekton is below average, and I really don't know what I should be playing these days. My ADC pool is like, Cait Ez which seems to work ok for Solo Q and I can play Annie/Thresh/Leona etc. for Support, but I have no idea what I should be focusing on for solo lanes. I doubt it. I played pretty much only 5 champions to plat (Katarina Morde Amumu Ashe Leona). I dabbled on a few more champions, but not much. You can take a look at my champions played: bad morde bot @ na. I hit plat 5 last week.
I've played at least one game with you, and ONE of my problems (out of the huge list) is that I try to play too many different champions so I have no depth of knowledge but a large breadth, whereas you're the opposite and you really know the champions you play.
On April 03 2014 03:08 mordek wrote:
That's why Slayer said your champ pool is not your problem. Stick to what you know and get better ^^
yeah but I don't feel like I know anything so I'm not sure what I should restrict myself to? I'm not sure how to phrase it
just checked my lolking and counted, i have 24 different champions with ranked games this season
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That's why Slayer said your champ pool is not your problem. Stick to what you know and get better ^^
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Yeah playing more than 2 champions in a role (3 for your main role) is ill-advised.
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On April 03 2014 03:07 las91 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 03:06 Sufficiency wrote:On April 03 2014 02:55 las91 wrote:
I'm pretty sure my champion pool is holding me back from progression from Platinum, what should I be learning for top lane and mid lane specifically? My Gragas is horrible and Renekton is below average, and I really don't know what I should be playing these days. My ADC pool is like, Cait Ez which seems to work ok for Solo Q and I can play Annie/Thresh/Leona etc. for Support, but I have no idea what I should be focusing on for solo lanes. I doubt it. I played pretty much only 5 champions to plat (Katarina Morde Amumu Ashe Leona). I dabbled on a few more champions, but not much. You can take a look at my champions played: bad morde bot @ na. I hit plat 5 last week. I've played at least one game with you, and ONE of my problems (out of the huge list) is that I try to play too many different champions so I have no depth of knowledge but a large breadth, yeah but I don't feel like I know anything so I'm not sure what I should restrict myself to? I'm not sure how to phrase it
this is your only problem, you just pick whatever champ you like and practice it until you get good, just playing random shit won't get you anywhere
worrying about things like champion pool and fotm and countepicks are all ultimately distractions at least until you get top level
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On April 03 2014 03:04 las91 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 03:02 nobodywonder wrote:
For top, play Jax yo. He has weak/average laning but you just farm up and don't die and eventually you'll be god-like and carry games.
You can also feed a as Jax and still eventually, eventually, eventually become a god.
For mid, kayle is ez. Press E and whack people. Mid is the most diverse though so it's really up to you.
You probably should also review solo lane basics, like knowing 3:00 is a common possible Jungle gank timing and ward accordingly based on their Jungler buff start. Well I was a jungle main for S2/part of S3 so it's more the fact I don't really know how matchups work out because I never really know what to pick/don't restrict myself. The only Jax games I've had this season were exactly what you said, I fed like crazy but just kept splitting and we eventually won/lost when I hit 40 minute mark lol Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 03:03 Ryuu314 wrote:
If you're playing the fotm champions and are hitting a wall in your progression, it's most definitely an issue with how you play.
That said, you can get to Diamond playing any champion if you're good enough. It's just that some champions require more skill/effort than others. I know a lot of my issues are not knowing champion matchups well enough because I've not really mained a role this season, so sometimes I just get blown out of lane and I can't really recover
I would definitely stick to 1-3 champs and read up some good guides on lolking, solomid, and maybe lolpro. I would also watch some videos of pros, or high-level players.
most pro's don't really explain what they do, but you can figure it out by noticing spell cd's, summoners, and junglers.
I recommend watching some of this guy's videos, he basically only plays Renekton, but most importantly he explains a lot of what he does too such when to ward, how to trade, etc.
https://www.youtube.com/user/SoloRenektonOnly
On a side note, fuck Renekton, a properly played one poops on Jax in laning phase.
another note: Find a champ that's fun or feels comfortable to play on. Some champs will just may not work for you. For example, I'm fucking terrible/everything goes wrong when I play Jinx, (0-7 in ranked T_T) so I don't touch her.
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On April 03 2014 03:07 las91 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 03:06 Sufficiency wrote:On April 03 2014 02:55 las91 wrote:
I'm pretty sure my champion pool is holding me back from progression from Platinum, what should I be learning for top lane and mid lane specifically? My Gragas is horrible and Renekton is below average, and I really don't know what I should be playing these days. My ADC pool is like, Cait Ez which seems to work ok for Solo Q and I can play Annie/Thresh/Leona etc. for Support, but I have no idea what I should be focusing on for solo lanes. I doubt it. I played pretty much only 5 champions to plat (Katarina Morde Amumu Ashe Leona). I dabbled on a few more champions, but not much. You can take a look at my champions played: bad morde bot @ na. I hit plat 5 last week. I've played at least one game with you, and ONE of my problems (out of the huge list) is that I try to play too many different champions so I have no depth of knowledge but a large breadth, whereas you're the opposite and you really know the champions you play. Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 03:08 mordek wrote:
That's why Slayer said your champ pool is not your problem. Stick to what you know and get better ^^ yeah but I don't feel like I know anything so I'm not sure what I should restrict myself to? I'm not sure how to phrase it just checked my lolking and counted, i have 24 different champions with ranked games this season
Did I feed in that game?
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On April 03 2014 03:11 nobodywonder wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 03:04 las91 wrote:On April 03 2014 03:02 nobodywonder wrote:
For top, play Jax yo. He has weak/average laning but you just farm up and don't die and eventually you'll be god-like and carry games.
You can also feed a as Jax and still eventually, eventually, eventually become a god.
For mid, kayle is ez. Press E and whack people. Mid is the most diverse though so it's really up to you.
You probably should also review solo lane basics, like knowing 3:00 is a common possible Jungle gank timing and ward accordingly based on their Jungler buff start. Well I was a jungle main for S2/part of S3 so it's more the fact I don't really know how matchups work out because I never really know what to pick/don't restrict myself. The only Jax games I've had this season were exactly what you said, I fed like crazy but just kept splitting and we eventually won/lost when I hit 40 minute mark lol On April 03 2014 03:03 Ryuu314 wrote:
If you're playing the fotm champions and are hitting a wall in your progression, it's most definitely an issue with how you play.
That said, you can get to Diamond playing any champion if you're good enough. It's just that some champions require more skill/effort than others. I know a lot of my issues are not knowing champion matchups well enough because I've not really mained a role this season, so sometimes I just get blown out of lane and I can't really recover I would definitely stick to 1-3 champs and read up some good guides on lolking, solomid, and maybe lolpro. I would also watch some videos of pros, or high-level players. most pro's don't really explain what they do, but you can figure it out by noticing spell cd's, summoners, and junglers. I recommend watching some of this guy's videos, he basically only plays Renekton, but he explains a lot of what he does too. On a side note, fuck Renekton, a properly played one poops on Jax in laning phase. https://www.youtube.com/user/SoloRenektonOnly
Yea I'm familiar with his Renekton guide and he does a really good job explaining things.
I haven't actually watched much pro streams outside of LCS lately so I'll have to get back to doing that.
On April 03 2014 03:13 Sufficiency wrote:
Did I feed in that game?
I have no idea, I don't even remember what champion I was. I know you were on my team and we were purple side I think
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On April 03 2014 03:13 JimmiC wrote:
In urf swain is pretty fun, permabird mode
I had fun with him but he didn't seem particularly good. Mobility is rampant and your Q and E are DoTs that benefit less from spamming.
Malphite too funny.
See champion?
Flash R DFG Q E
Where champion?
Repeat every 23 seconds.
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On April 03 2014 03:09 Alzadar wrote:
Yeah playing more than 2 champions in a role (3 for your main role) is ill-advised.
I remember when I tried that...then people decided to be asshole and I had to extend it to 6 in the main because "hurdur ban all the junglers."
Imo, people should off role whatever the 2 least desirable spots at the time(seems to be support and AD nowadays) and then pick one of the remaining ones. From there go into a 5-3-3 champion split.
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Oh btw, Lee Sin says: "Master yourself, master the enemy"
easiest way to master yourself is to grind it out on one champ and understand his strengths, weaknesses, power spikes, itemization, etc.
then master the enemy by getting comfortable vs favorable, even, unfavorable and absolutely shitty matchups
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On April 03 2014 03:22 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 03:09 Alzadar wrote:
Yeah playing more than 2 champions in a role (3 for your main role) is ill-advised. I remember when I tried that...then people decided to be asshole and I had to extend it to 6 in the main because "hurdur ban all the junglers." Imo, people should off role whatever the 2 least desirable spots at the time(seems to be support and AD nowadays) and then pick one of the remaining ones. From there go into a 5-3-3 champion split.
Well right now I just feel kind of lost in champ select especially for mid and top, whereas I have a couple picks for ADC/Jungle/Support I feel more comfortable on (even if I don't feel amazing on them)
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pick someone you like and stick with it
you ideally want to play about 2 or three champs regularly, and play other champs/roles when its necessary
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junglers have some of the most bullshit ults to deal with - vi ult, panth ult, monkey ult
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I think Nasus is the best champion to learn top with. No tricky mechanics, just power, and he heavily rewards players for realizing when they are the boss and when they are the bitch.
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Ehhh, Nasus has an unique playstyle that's boring to me to be honest. Nasus is really weak in the beginning.
I think Nasus is kinda hit or miss.
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4 BT, LW, SotD Malphite obv., maybe trade a BT for Hydra.
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lets all just fling our opinions at each other about which champions we like or don't like
theres no such thing as a best champion to learn top with because what top is is defined partially by what champion you pick top
recommending champions in general i find inane, since its basically "I like playing this" which has nothing to do with the other person and what he likes, he should know that himself.
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On April 03 2014 03:45 Slayer91 wrote:
lets all just fling our opinions at each other about which champions we like or don't like
theres no such thing as a best champion to learn top with because what top is is defined partially by what champion you pick top
recommending champions in general i find inane, since its basically "I like playing this" which has nothing to do with the other person and what he likes, he should know that himself.
Slayer91... more like Slayer of Discussion.
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