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On September 08 2013 13:54 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2013 13:52 GhandiEAGLE wrote:On September 08 2013 13:48 Zdrastochye wrote:On September 08 2013 13:46 GhandiEAGLE wrote:On September 08 2013 13:39 wei2coolman wrote:On September 08 2013 13:37 zulu_nation8 wrote:
I feel like the only two NA players who are world class are meteos and lemonnation, but if their carries fail it won't matter. Haven't seen enough of EU LCS to comment. If you gunna put lemonnation on there then xpecial deserves to be up there too. As much as I respect Xpecial's play for TSM, I feel like he isn't incredibly consistent lately. He's definitely shown that he can compete at a world level when he's on point though. Hai and Meteos have great synergy, and it makes Hai look better than he is. I think Hai is close to being world caliber. Not quite. Hai also gets a lot more respect in NA than I feel he will get at worlds. Korea seems really confident from their interviews when it comes to foreign competition, I don't think they care all that much about the record C9 has left in NA. They're aware of the record, but they don't think of it as a sign that C9 comes in as a favored team. Personally I think SKT T1's style will run all over them. C9 plays very similarly to KT B except KT B's players are better at laning and Meteos doesn't give much attention to his lanes.
I think Meteos not giving much attention to his laners is a bit simple of a way to put it, personally. A lot of this was explained in a video that was posted recently, and it said a lot of what I was thinking when he said that Meteos affects lanes in waves. He ganks mid a good amount and then lets Hai snowball the other lanes, like dominoes. Also, one point that the video brought up that was big was that Meteos always hits very quickly with his ganks. He doesn't wait too long, he just does his job and gets out, and goes back to farming to get ahead in cs. His much clearer picture of where and how he's going to gank is a big factor in his larger farm, so I think not giving much attention to his laners is a bit of an illusion. He also has two weeks to alter his playstyle.
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If you watched Kakao's style it was very similar. He farmed a lot more than he ganked, but every time he tried it was already too late. Kakao would have a lot more CS than Bengi but Bengi was just pressuring lanes much more often. Not just that but Bengi was very aggressive in the jungle and counterjungled a lot to disrupt Kakao. Perfect example of this is game 2 where they warded Kakao's red and just wasted his time there making him unable to take it. Pair this with EVERY single lane winning for SKT T1 and you've got yourself a situation where the jungler isn't really able to help any lane that much if they have good vision which SKT did.
Then there's the fact that C9 was apparently LOSING scrims to TSM when they didn't ban vladimir. I mean, sure, they can ban it but I don't think it's a good sign of losing to an inferior team just due to 1 pick which isn't even a champion that's inherently overpowered.
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I'm really interested to see how Najin sword does at worlds. I think they can go far just through pure mechanics. Expession and Pray/Cain are extremely solid and may just grab an advantage in laning phase and push it to victory. Win lane win game!
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On September 08 2013 14:13 Leeto wrote:
I'm really interested to see how Najin sword does at worlds. I think they can go far just through pure mechanics. Expession and Pray/Cain are extremely solid and may just grab an advantage in laning phase and push it to victory. Win lane win game!
So you're anticipating Thresh/Blitz/Naut support games from Cain?
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On September 08 2013 13:54 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2013 13:52 GhandiEAGLE wrote:On September 08 2013 13:48 Zdrastochye wrote:On September 08 2013 13:46 GhandiEAGLE wrote:On September 08 2013 13:39 wei2coolman wrote:On September 08 2013 13:37 zulu_nation8 wrote:
I feel like the only two NA players who are world class are meteos and lemonnation, but if their carries fail it won't matter. Haven't seen enough of EU LCS to comment. If you gunna put lemonnation on there then xpecial deserves to be up there too. As much as I respect Xpecial's play for TSM, I feel like he isn't incredibly consistent lately. He's definitely shown that he can compete at a world level when he's on point though. Hai and Meteos have great synergy, and it makes Hai look better than he is. I think Hai is close to being world caliber. Not quite. Hai also gets a lot more respect in NA than I feel he will get at worlds. Korea seems really confident from their interviews when it comes to foreign competition, I don't think they care all that much about the record C9 has left in NA. They're aware of the record, but they don't think of it as a sign that C9 comes in as a favored team. Personally I think SKT T1's style will run all over them. C9 plays very similarly to KT B except KT B's players are better at laning and Meteos doesn't give much attention to his lanes.
It's not just the style that C9 will lose to. SKT is just far too good, especially Faker. Barring some extreme jungle pressure, Faker has proven himself to be able to consistently beat other S/high A class mids, and dumpster any mid below that level. Also SKT has one of the strongest duo lanes in the world. It's going to be really, really hard for C9 to recover from 2 lanes that are losing.
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On September 08 2013 14:22 Amui wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2013 13:54 Itsmedudeman wrote:On September 08 2013 13:52 GhandiEAGLE wrote:On September 08 2013 13:48 Zdrastochye wrote:On September 08 2013 13:46 GhandiEAGLE wrote:On September 08 2013 13:39 wei2coolman wrote:On September 08 2013 13:37 zulu_nation8 wrote:
I feel like the only two NA players who are world class are meteos and lemonnation, but if their carries fail it won't matter. Haven't seen enough of EU LCS to comment. If you gunna put lemonnation on there then xpecial deserves to be up there too. As much as I respect Xpecial's play for TSM, I feel like he isn't incredibly consistent lately. He's definitely shown that he can compete at a world level when he's on point though. Hai and Meteos have great synergy, and it makes Hai look better than he is. I think Hai is close to being world caliber. Not quite. Hai also gets a lot more respect in NA than I feel he will get at worlds. Korea seems really confident from their interviews when it comes to foreign competition, I don't think they care all that much about the record C9 has left in NA. They're aware of the record, but they don't think of it as a sign that C9 comes in as a favored team. Personally I think SKT T1's style will run all over them. C9 plays very similarly to KT B except KT B's players are better at laning and Meteos doesn't give much attention to his lanes. It's not just the style that C9 will lose to. SKT is just far too good, especially Faker. Barring some extreme jungle pressure, Faker has proven himself to be able to consistently beat other S/high A class mids, and dumpster any mid below that level. Also SKT has one of the strongest duo lanes in the world. It's going to be really, really hard for C9 to recover from 2 lanes that are losing.
I heavily doubt with C9's game knowledge that they'd be foolish enough to lane 2v2 lanes, I'm almost positive they'd get 1v2 lanes and just do some heavy pushing early on, and allow Meteos to try his best to get his bot lane on a good start. By that time if Hai is already in deep shit with Faker it'd be tough to come back, but the first 6-8 minutes of the game will be pretty important as if C9 can keep it even then they have at least the possibility of swinging a game in their favor.
A lot of ifs and maybes though, the likely scenario is an NA team doesn't win a single match at worlds.
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On September 08 2013 14:31 Zdrastochye wrote:
A lot of ifs and maybes though, the likely scenario is an NA team doesn't win a single match at worlds.
I'm going to hold you to this.
I believe in the 'murica.
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United States47024 Posts
On September 08 2013 13:26 cascades wrote:KTB is experienced in series...... + Show Spoiler +
I'm not sure how you call it choking when the series they lost, the other team was legitimately playing better in the games they lost.
Like, even though T1 came back in their OGN finals performance LLWWW, I really don't see how you'd call KT B's performance choking.
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On September 08 2013 14:32 Lord Tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2013 14:31 Zdrastochye wrote:
A lot of ifs and maybes though, the likely scenario is an NA team doesn't win a single match at worlds. I'm going to hold you to this. I believe in the 'murica.
likely scenario.
Hold me to this:
NA will not win worlds.
Do you REALLY believe in 'murica?
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http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1lx3vs/snowballing_in_competitive_play_by_the_numbers_is/
I love how people try to defend NA by saying that it's possible that Koreans are simply worse at coming from behind and give up easily.
Like holy shit, how could you ever say that after watching EITHER region's games? Spellsy makes a comment later on saying "i did a similar analysis like this back for week 1 superweek NA, and they had a 40% win rate after getting first drag  lol" That's called not knowing how to press your advantages. NA has stepped up their game though since week 1, but I consider everyone but C9 a wash.
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I thought somebody said no conspiracy theories.
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l10f
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Hey, I was playing with boes and he said he started lagging after receiving a font size 100'd message in game (html seems to work to whispers in game), and I just messaged a friend in game with size 100 font, and he said he started lagging immediately after. I don't know if it's just a coincidence or it's actually caused by the messages, but I recommend against messaging your friends that are in game with html tags.
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For world's, I think we'll see 40-45 unique picks, out of the list below. I'll probably miss a couple of picks, but that's to be expected. Not quite as diverse as TI3, but I guess that's to be expected.
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Likely picks(41)
Aatrox
ahri
annie
ashe
blitz
cait
corki
elise
eve
ez
fiddle
fizz
Janna
j4
jax
karth
kass
kennen
lee
leona
lissandra
lulu
Nasus
nocturne
nunu
ori
renekton
rumble
shen
singed
sona
thresh
trist
TF
twitch
varus
vayne
vi
vlad
zac
zed
zyra
Longshots(14)
Riven
Rengar
MF
malphite
Irelia
Diana
amumu
alistar
Graves
Jayce
rammus
shyv
yorick
syndra
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On September 08 2013 14:36 Itsmedudeman wrote:http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1lx3vs/snowballing_in_competitive_play_by_the_numbers_is/I love how people try to defend NA by saying that it's possible that Koreans are simply worse at coming from behind and give up easily. Like holy shit, how could you ever say that after watching EITHER region's games? Spellsy makes a comment later on saying "i did a similar analysis like this back for week 1 superweek NA, and they had a 40% win rate after getting first drag lol" That's called not knowing how to press your advantages. NA has stepped up their game though since week 1, but I consider everyone but C9 a wash.
As far as first dragons are concerned. I think NA just lost a lot of objectives and farm to do the first dragon.
The lack of donger on that list rustles my jimmies.
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On September 08 2013 15:07 Amui wrote:For world's, I think we'll see 40-45 unique picks, out of the list below. I'll probably miss a couple of picks, but that's to be expected. Not quite as diverse as TI3, but I guess that's to be expected. + Show Spoiler +
Aatrox
ahri
annie
ashe
blitz
cait
corki
elise
eve
ez
fiddle
fizz
j4
jax
karth
kass
kennen
lee
leona
lissandra
lulu
malphite
MF
Nasus
nocturne
nunu
ori
renekton
rengar
riven
rumble
shen
singed
sona
thresh
trist
TF
twitch
varus
vayne
vi
vlad
zac
zed
zyra
Who plays Riven?
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On September 08 2013 14:35 Zdrastochye wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2013 14:32 Lord Tolkien wrote:On September 08 2013 14:31 Zdrastochye wrote:
A lot of ifs and maybes though, the likely scenario is an NA team doesn't win a single match at worlds. I'm going to hold you to this. I believe in the 'murica. likely scenario. Hold me to this: NA will not win worlds. Do you REALLY believe in 'murica?
![[image loading]](http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130501204017/alienfilm/images/e/e8/I_Want_to_Believe.png)
NA 2013 np np.
I am a Dignitas fan though, so it comes naturally.
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On September 08 2013 15:14 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2013 15:07 Amui wrote:For world's, I think we'll see 40-45 unique picks, out of the list below. I'll probably miss a couple of picks, but that's to be expected. Not quite as diverse as TI3, but I guess that's to be expected. + Show Spoiler +
Aatrox
ahri
annie
ashe
blitz
cait
corki
elise
eve
ez
fiddle
fizz
j4
jax
karth
kass
kennen
lee
leona
lissandra
lulu
malphite
MF
Nasus
nocturne
nunu
ori
renekton
rengar
riven
rumble
shen
singed
sona
thresh
trist
TF
twitch
varus
vayne
vi
vlad
zac
zed
zyra
Who plays Riven?
Fine I'll make a longshot section, for possible, but unlikely picks.
On September 08 2013 14:36 Itsmedudeman wrote:http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1lx3vs/snowballing_in_competitive_play_by_the_numbers_is/I love how people try to defend NA by saying that it's possible that Koreans are simply worse at coming from behind and give up easily. Like holy shit, how could you ever say that after watching EITHER region's games? Spellsy makes a comment later on saying "i did a similar analysis like this back for week 1 superweek NA, and they had a 40% win rate after getting first drag lol" That's called not knowing how to press your advantages. NA has stepped up their game though since week 1, but I consider everyone but C9 a wash.
And this is why I do nothing on r/lol except read headlines. I think you lose brain cells every time you scroll through the comments section because there's a large, vocal, unskilled population.
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MF seems unlikely too but I don't watch China (until tonight)
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Pootie too good!4331 Posts
Dragon champion wooooooooo!
forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=41356104#post41356104
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On September 08 2013 16:00 JonGalt wrote:
Dragon champion wooooooooo!
forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=41356104#post41356104
OMG SO FKING DOPE WAT IS THIS
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EPT
