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Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
September 08 2013 03:58 GMT
#1061
On September 08 2013 12:57 TheYango wrote:
You mean like The International? Genius!

Similar, but not double elimination.
Letmelose
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Korea (South)3227 Posts
September 08 2013 04:01 GMT
#1062
On September 08 2013 12:56 Itsmedudeman wrote:
If they want all regions to be represented they could have group stages and an upper bracket/lower bracket with the higher seeds of each group receiving a bye while the bottom teams have to play amongst themselves in the playoffs.


No, that's not what Riot wants. They want all regions to be represented at the latter stages of the tournament, no matter how flawed the system is. A tournament dominated by the most competitive teams during the finishing stages is the last thing they seem to want at the moment.
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Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
September 08 2013 04:05 GMT
#1063
Well hopefully there aren't like 9 consecutive remakes to make that happen this year

huehue
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
September 08 2013 04:07 GMT
#1064
Also one thing people need to be aware of when judging a team like Najin Sword--while we will talk about skill differences between teams at Worlds, the fact of the matter is that with the exception of some outliers at the top and bottom end, MOST matchups at Worlds will be between teams that are of at least comparable skill level. There will be stronger and weaker teams, but by and large, teams will be able to take games from each other.

What this means is that when you're playing game 3 of a Bo3 or a game 4/game 5 of a Bo5, it's not just about which team is more skilled anymore. Because the skill difference between the two teams will be close enough that it won't just be about which team is better at playing the GAME, but also which team is better at playing a SERIES. Which team holds up better under the pressure and mindgames of a BoX--because those factors will outweigh plain skill when it comes down to the wire.

We simply can't know how teams like C9, Gama Bears, and OMG will perform under those circumstances, because they haven't been under those conditions that often. But it's not all that common that a team with no big LAN Bo5 experience is suddenly amazing at it from the start. It's far more often that promising teams/players choke under pressure because they don't have the experience handling it.

This is actually for me one of the things that makes SKT T1 such an amazing team. Not only just that they are good at the game--but that when faced with a team like KT B that is both skilled and experienced in big series, they were able to overcome the ridiculous pressure of being down 0-2 in a Bo5 with with their backs against the wall. That demonstrates an insane level of mental fortitude and desire to win.
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
September 08 2013 04:12 GMT
#1065
On September 08 2013 13:01 Letmelose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2013 12:56 Itsmedudeman wrote:
If they want all regions to be represented they could have group stages and an upper bracket/lower bracket with the higher seeds of each group receiving a bye while the bottom teams have to play amongst themselves in the playoffs.


No, that's not what Riot wants. They want all regions to be represented at the latter stages of the tournament, no matter how flawed the system is. A tournament dominated by the most competitive teams during the finishing stages is the last thing they seem to want at the moment.

This is why I hate NBA playoffs.
liftlift > tsm
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
September 08 2013 04:13 GMT
#1066
Also showcases the difference between bo3 and bo5. Things would be incredibly different if KT B had just taken a 2-0 win right then and there. I personally wish quarters were bo5. It takes a while to get situated to a new style and picks/bans.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
September 08 2013 04:17 GMT
#1067
Honestly, if there's a Korean team that I expect to under-perform at Worlds, it's Ozone, because Dade choked insanely hard in their series vs. T1, which makes me question how he'll hold up under the pressure.
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Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-08 04:21:13
September 08 2013 04:21 GMT
#1068
I also recently saw a showmatch between Ozone and the Taiwanese all stars in a showmatch. Dade gave up like 2 kills in lane and got carried by his team hard.

Homme is also a questionable factor. The patch doesn't favor him similar to insec.
cascades
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Singapore6122 Posts
September 08 2013 04:26 GMT
#1069
KTB is experienced in series......

+ Show Spoiler +
at choking.
HS: cascades#1595 || LoL: stoppin
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
September 08 2013 04:31 GMT
#1070
I wonder which champions teams from different regions will use as their secret weapon. I'm out of touch but I feel like AP corki could be one for NA.
cascades
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Singapore6122 Posts
September 08 2013 04:33 GMT
#1071
Most matchups also won't be at similar skill level. We'll see.
HS: cascades#1595 || LoL: stoppin
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
September 08 2013 04:37 GMT
#1072
I feel like the only two NA players who are world class are meteos and lemonnation, but if their carries fail it won't matter. Haven't seen enough of EU LCS to comment.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
September 08 2013 04:39 GMT
#1073
On September 08 2013 13:37 zulu_nation8 wrote:
I feel like the only two NA players who are world class are meteos and lemonnation, but if their carries fail it won't matter. Haven't seen enough of EU LCS to comment.

If you gunna put lemonnation on there then xpecial deserves to be up there too.
liftlift > tsm
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
September 08 2013 04:45 GMT
#1074
ehhhhhh
Carrilord has arrived.
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-08 04:46:27
September 08 2013 04:46 GMT
#1075
On September 08 2013 13:39 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2013 13:37 zulu_nation8 wrote:
I feel like the only two NA players who are world class are meteos and lemonnation, but if their carries fail it won't matter. Haven't seen enough of EU LCS to comment.

If you gunna put lemonnation on there then xpecial deserves to be up there too.

As much as I respect Xpecial's play for TSM, I feel like he isn't incredibly consistent lately. He's definitely shown that he can compete at a world level when he's on point though.
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
September 08 2013 04:48 GMT
#1076
On September 08 2013 13:46 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2013 13:39 wei2coolman wrote:
On September 08 2013 13:37 zulu_nation8 wrote:
I feel like the only two NA players who are world class are meteos and lemonnation, but if their carries fail it won't matter. Haven't seen enough of EU LCS to comment.

If you gunna put lemonnation on there then xpecial deserves to be up there too.

As much as I respect Xpecial's play for TSM, I feel like he isn't incredibly consistent lately. He's definitely shown that he can compete at a world level when he's on point though.


Hai and Meteos have great synergy, and it makes Hai look better than he is. I think Hai is close to being world caliber. Not quite.
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Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
September 08 2013 04:51 GMT
#1077
On September 08 2013 13:46 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2013 13:39 wei2coolman wrote:
On September 08 2013 13:37 zulu_nation8 wrote:
I feel like the only two NA players who are world class are meteos and lemonnation, but if their carries fail it won't matter. Haven't seen enough of EU LCS to comment.

If you gunna put lemonnation on there then xpecial deserves to be up there too.

As much as I respect Xpecial's play for TSM, I feel like he isn't incredibly consistent lately. He's definitely shown that he can compete at a world level when he's on point though.

I don't understand how lemonnation is world class compared to Xpecial. Yeah, his team is really good at early game decision making and he's a part of it, but he's not the whole brains behind C9. Like Meteos said it consists of him, lemonnation and Hai. Individually though I don't think he's anywhere close to Xpecial yet.
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
September 08 2013 04:52 GMT
#1078
On September 08 2013 13:48 Zdrastochye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2013 13:46 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
On September 08 2013 13:39 wei2coolman wrote:
On September 08 2013 13:37 zulu_nation8 wrote:
I feel like the only two NA players who are world class are meteos and lemonnation, but if their carries fail it won't matter. Haven't seen enough of EU LCS to comment.

If you gunna put lemonnation on there then xpecial deserves to be up there too.

As much as I respect Xpecial's play for TSM, I feel like he isn't incredibly consistent lately. He's definitely shown that he can compete at a world level when he's on point though.


Hai and Meteos have great synergy, and it makes Hai look better than he is. I think Hai is close to being world caliber. Not quite.

Hai also gets a lot more respect in NA than I feel he will get at worlds. Korea seems really confident from their interviews when it comes to foreign competition, I don't think they care all that much about the record C9 has left in NA.
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-08 04:54:41
September 08 2013 04:54 GMT
#1079
On September 08 2013 13:52 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2013 13:48 Zdrastochye wrote:
On September 08 2013 13:46 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
On September 08 2013 13:39 wei2coolman wrote:
On September 08 2013 13:37 zulu_nation8 wrote:
I feel like the only two NA players who are world class are meteos and lemonnation, but if their carries fail it won't matter. Haven't seen enough of EU LCS to comment.

If you gunna put lemonnation on there then xpecial deserves to be up there too.

As much as I respect Xpecial's play for TSM, I feel like he isn't incredibly consistent lately. He's definitely shown that he can compete at a world level when he's on point though.


Hai and Meteos have great synergy, and it makes Hai look better than he is. I think Hai is close to being world caliber. Not quite.

Hai also gets a lot more respect in NA than I feel he will get at worlds. Korea seems really confident from their interviews when it comes to foreign competition, I don't think they care all that much about the record C9 has left in NA.

They're aware of the record, but they don't think of it as a sign that C9 comes in as a favored team.

Personally I think SKT T1's style will run all over them. C9 plays very similarly to KT B except KT B's players are better at laning and Meteos doesn't give much attention to his lanes.
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
September 08 2013 04:56 GMT
#1080
On September 08 2013 13:52 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2013 13:48 Zdrastochye wrote:
On September 08 2013 13:46 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
On September 08 2013 13:39 wei2coolman wrote:
On September 08 2013 13:37 zulu_nation8 wrote:
I feel like the only two NA players who are world class are meteos and lemonnation, but if their carries fail it won't matter. Haven't seen enough of EU LCS to comment.

If you gunna put lemonnation on there then xpecial deserves to be up there too.

As much as I respect Xpecial's play for TSM, I feel like he isn't incredibly consistent lately. He's definitely shown that he can compete at a world level when he's on point though.


Hai and Meteos have great synergy, and it makes Hai look better than he is. I think Hai is close to being world caliber. Not quite.

Hai also gets a lot more respect in NA than I feel he will get at worlds. Korea seems really confident from their interviews when it comes to foreign competition, I don't think they care all that much about the record C9 has left in NA.


Nor should anyone else. When you're at worlds your records of playoffs in your region don't matter.
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