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FSKi
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States901 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-30 09:04:09
July 30 2013 09:02 GMT
#6561
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XilDarkz
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States563 Posts
July 30 2013 09:05 GMT
#6562
On July 30 2013 18:02 FSKi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2013 17:59 XilDarkz wrote:
On July 30 2013 17:57 Capped wrote:
On July 30 2013 17:57 nafta wrote:
Oh so you are just one of those scumbags who go 2 mid lol.


Yeah, i logged on to post this.

This is the reason for my previous posts on this page lol

Just because it isn't meta doesn't mean its not a legitimate and working strategy. Dota taught me that do whatever you want and you'll win with it.

I have at least a 60% winrate going duo mid--higher than my average Syndra winrate. (Maybe 15-20 games duo mid)


You can't learn proper 1v1 lane mechanics if there is a second person in your lane. I'm bronze 2 and know this. =|

To go more in-depth, you won't be punished as much for not warding at proper times, and you have a second person there when the jungler comes along as well. There are probably other ways it is hurting you, but these are the first that come to mind.


I'm gonna stop doing it as soon as I have more heroes in my pool... I'm fine accepting that I won't learn from 10% of games.
aka Mathies! twitch.tv/Mathies if you want to watch me fail. esfiworld.com/author/mathies/
Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-30 09:06:15
July 30 2013 09:05 GMT
#6563
On July 30 2013 17:59 XilDarkz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2013 17:57 Capped wrote:
On July 30 2013 17:57 nafta wrote:
Oh so you are just one of those scumbags who go 2 mid lol.


Yeah, i logged on to post this.

This is the reason for my previous posts on this page lol

Just because it isn't meta doesn't mean its not a legitimate and working strategy. Dota taught me that do whatever you want and you'll win with it.

I have at least a 60% winrate going duo mid--higher than my average Syndra winrate. (Maybe 15-20 games duo mid)


I see a giant difference between not following the meta and this

Lower pick (Xil): Mid

Higher pick: No sorry, im going mid.

Xil: Ok fine i go mid too.

On July 30 2013 18:05 XilDarkz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2013 18:02 FSKi wrote:
On July 30 2013 17:59 XilDarkz wrote:
On July 30 2013 17:57 Capped wrote:
On July 30 2013 17:57 nafta wrote:
Oh so you are just one of those scumbags who go 2 mid lol.


Yeah, i logged on to post this.

This is the reason for my previous posts on this page lol

Just because it isn't meta doesn't mean its not a legitimate and working strategy. Dota taught me that do whatever you want and you'll win with it.

I have at least a 60% winrate going duo mid--higher than my average Syndra winrate. (Maybe 15-20 games duo mid)


You can't learn proper 1v1 lane mechanics if there is a second person in your lane. I'm bronze 2 and know this. =|

To go more in-depth, you won't be punished as much for not warding at proper times, and you have a second person there when the jungler comes along as well. There are probably other ways it is hurting you, but these are the first that come to mind.


I'm gonna stop doing it as soon as I have more heroes in my pool... I'm fine accepting that I won't learn from 10% of games.


Heres an idea, stop trolling in "10% of games" and use those games to learn more champions.
Useless wet fish.
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
July 30 2013 09:10 GMT
#6564
I don't like your aproach for getting better at all.If you have decided that mid is your role you need to learn different champs with the same playstyle.You can't just spam one champion to get high and then start playing others.This game is mostly about game knowledge.
XilDarkz
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States563 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-30 09:12:57
July 30 2013 09:10 GMT
#6565
On July 30 2013 18:10 nafta wrote:
I don't like your aproach for getting better at all.If you have decided that mid is your role you need to learn different champs with the same playstyle.You can't just spam one champion to get high and then start playing others.This game is mostly about game knowledge.



I like how nobody in the thread right now didn't actually read the previous nature of this thread.


I have played about 60% jungle and 40% mid recently. I'm not Syndra only anymore.

On July 30 2013 18:10 nafta wrote:
I don't like your aproach for getting better at all.If you have decided that mid is your role you need to learn different champs with the same playstyle.You can't just spam one champion to get high and then start playing others.This game is mostly about game knowledge.


Actually, I believe the exact opposite. You bring yourself up with your main, and then you can switch to new heroes and learn faster because you're playing against better players. Better players = better environment to practice = faster learning = faster improvement = win.
aka Mathies! twitch.tv/Mathies if you want to watch me fail. esfiworld.com/author/mathies/
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-30 09:14:45
July 30 2013 09:13 GMT
#6566
I did and it looks like you play only syndra and elise only in mid and jungle.If you actually want to get better you can't limit yourself this much.

It depends on players more if you can just switch when you are high.If your goal is to just get high and go from there you should pick something very versatile like kayle and play her in 4 roles.
XilDarkz
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States563 Posts
July 30 2013 09:14 GMT
#6567
On July 30 2013 18:13 nafta wrote:
I did and it looks like you play only syndra and elise only in mid and jungle.If you actually want to get better you can't limit yourself this much.


I've been told by respected players and forum users that this is patently untrue.
aka Mathies! twitch.tv/Mathies if you want to watch me fail. esfiworld.com/author/mathies/
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
July 30 2013 09:15 GMT
#6568
Honestly you guys are raging at XilDarkz a bit overmuch. You're not even actually checking whether he's insisting on mid when hes lower or upper guy who called mid. And he even straight up said he jungles too, to which you responded by ignoring the shit out of him.

Can you seriously stop trash talking people on the forum? So what if, when he introduced himself he had a poor mentality. He's working on fixing that.
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
July 30 2013 09:16 GMT
#6569
On July 30 2013 17:01 gtrsrs wrote:
so after all you guys ripped on him, i've been playing with the only syndra guy and he's a pretty cool, reasonable, hard-working guy. rips on some people in all-chat a bit much but he asks a ton of questions and really seeks to improve

i think you were all too hard on him


i've seen you say this about a few people and their reputation never improves from there, lol. I think you're cursed.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
July 30 2013 09:17 GMT
#6570
Duo midlane is pretty much the worst lane to go duo against unless it's like a kassadin or something. The purpose of duo mid is to take the tower, not to shut somebody down.

You are duo laning simply because you didn't get what you wanted.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6223 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-30 09:19:43
July 30 2013 09:17 GMT
#6571
@XilDarkz
By refusing to even consider supporting, you're considered a toxic player. You're actually probably in the tribunal queue if duo mid happens as often as I think it does in your case with you as a lower pick (I've personally reported every single one of them on my smurf). Also, at diamond, I haven't seen dual mid in ~250 games. You seriously need to consider picking up other roles, at a very minimum support. There's a fair number of people that can play a single champion to diamond (Zekent did 2.3k ELO S2 with poppy only IIRC on spamhappy) but even he was willing to play it in other positions, not by relentlessly going top.

edit:: I wrote this before the 40% jungle thing came up. Good on you for learning jungle. Support is still a role that you should know though.

Also, I just recalled why PrinceXizor was bouncing around my head. Wasn't he the guy who advocated pre-rework evelynn as an extremely strong laner or something? and then got smashed 1v1? (I'm sorry in advance if I'm wrong but the posting style seems really similar to what I remember)
vvSiegvv
Profile Joined March 2010
United States364 Posts
July 30 2013 09:18 GMT
#6572
Sorry but you won't get as good as you want to be if you're already saying you're fine with not learning from 10% of your games. It would be ok if you were saying that there are some games, where outside of your control, you won't be able to learn much from them, which is true to some degree. But what you're doing just comes across as stubborn and if you're not learning from games that you otherwise could be learning from, you're only limiting yourself. Don't get me wrong, personally I (nor probably most people here) aren't going to care if you go Syndra mid all day every day, regardless of picks. But if you really want to get as good as you say you do, and are as dedicated to improving as it comes across in your posts, it's something to think about.
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-30 09:25:51
July 30 2013 09:24 GMT
#6573
On July 30 2013 18:16 UniversalSnip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2013 17:01 gtrsrs wrote:
so after all you guys ripped on him, i've been playing with the only syndra guy and he's a pretty cool, reasonable, hard-working guy. rips on some people in all-chat a bit much but he asks a ton of questions and really seeks to improve

i think you were all too hard on him


i've seen you say this about a few people and their reputation never improves from there, lol. I think you're cursed.


they're all alts of mine anyway


On July 30 2013 18:17 Lmui wrote:
Also, I just recalled why PrinceXizor was bouncing around my head. Wasn't he the guy who advocated pre-rework evelynn as an extremely strong laner or something? and then got smashed 1v1? (I'm sorry in advance if I'm wrong but the posting style seems really similar to what I remember)


i was gonna try to find that thread and post the pics from there again but i thought it might be meanspirited
but yeah he said pre-rework evelynn with her half-damage from minions, + dorans shield + 21 defense could beat anyone top lane and i played him top 1v1 and killed him without using summoners at level 2 or 3 LOL
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
July 30 2013 09:27 GMT
#6574
On July 30 2013 18:24 gtrsrs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2013 18:16 UniversalSnip wrote:
On July 30 2013 17:01 gtrsrs wrote:
so after all you guys ripped on him, i've been playing with the only syndra guy and he's a pretty cool, reasonable, hard-working guy. rips on some people in all-chat a bit much but he asks a ton of questions and really seeks to improve

i think you were all too hard on him


i've seen you say this about a few people and their reputation never improves from there, lol. I think you're cursed.


they're all alts of mine anyway


Show nested quote +
On July 30 2013 18:17 Lmui wrote:
Also, I just recalled why PrinceXizor was bouncing around my head. Wasn't he the guy who advocated pre-rework evelynn as an extremely strong laner or something? and then got smashed 1v1? (I'm sorry in advance if I'm wrong but the posting style seems really similar to what I remember)


i was gonna try to find that thread and post the pics from there again but i thought it might be meanspirited
but yeah he said pre-rework evelynn with her half-damage from minions, + dorans shield + 21 defense could beat anyone top lane and i played him top 1v1 and killed him without using summoners at level 2 or 3 LOL

said *not bad* and *go even with anyone* but you know don't let facts get in the way of VEL getting relocated man. sorry that you all in cheesed a support player with wu kong. must be hard for you on your high horse kid.
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
July 30 2013 09:30 GMT
#6575
relegated
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
July 30 2013 09:31 GMT
#6576
Go even in lane like HotshotGG!
JazzVortical
Profile Joined July 2013
Australia1825 Posts
July 30 2013 09:33 GMT
#6577
On July 30 2013 18:14 XilDarkz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2013 18:13 nafta wrote:
I did and it looks like you play only syndra and elise only in mid and jungle.If you actually want to get better you can't limit yourself this much.


I've been told by respected players and forum users that this is patently untrue.


Play Syndra as a support as well. There is another avenue for you to get better with her. Playing her support means you can just practice hitting spells (mainly her stun).
vvSiegvv
Profile Joined March 2010
United States364 Posts
July 30 2013 09:35 GMT
#6578
Oh god this just made me go back and reread the TL grudge match thread. Can't believe I almost forgot about that one.
Don_Julio
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
2220 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-30 09:43:13
July 30 2013 09:42 GMT
#6579
On July 30 2013 18:27 PrinceXizor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2013 18:24 gtrsrs wrote:
On July 30 2013 18:16 UniversalSnip wrote:
On July 30 2013 17:01 gtrsrs wrote:
so after all you guys ripped on him, i've been playing with the only syndra guy and he's a pretty cool, reasonable, hard-working guy. rips on some people in all-chat a bit much but he asks a ton of questions and really seeks to improve

i think you were all too hard on him


i've seen you say this about a few people and their reputation never improves from there, lol. I think you're cursed.


they're all alts of mine anyway


On July 30 2013 18:17 Lmui wrote:
Also, I just recalled why PrinceXizor was bouncing around my head. Wasn't he the guy who advocated pre-rework evelynn as an extremely strong laner or something? and then got smashed 1v1? (I'm sorry in advance if I'm wrong but the posting style seems really similar to what I remember)


i was gonna try to find that thread and post the pics from there again but i thought it might be meanspirited
but yeah he said pre-rework evelynn with her half-damage from minions, + dorans shield + 21 defense could beat anyone top lane and i played him top 1v1 and killed him without using summoners at level 2 or 3 LOL

said *not bad* and *go even with anyone* but you know don't let facts get in the way of VEL getting relocated man. sorry that you all in cheesed a support player with wu kong. must be hard for you on your high horse kid.


Dear fellow TL.net user, you should reread the TL LoL Commandments:

9. Thou shall respect forum veterans
Unlike reddit and other LoL communities, there is a degree of favoritism shown towards TL LoL veterans. These individuals are regulars and have demonstrated over time that their opinions carry weight. This does not mean that they are always correct but be considerate when conversing. These individuals have been with the community for a long time and have displayed a large degree of contribution to our subforum.


This is relevant for your Skarner discussion and your grudge with Guitar.
Nemireck
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1875 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-30 09:46:28
July 30 2013 09:46 GMT
#6580
On July 30 2013 18:17 Lmui wrote:
@XilDarkz
By refusing to even consider supporting, you're considered a toxic player. You're actually probably in the tribunal queue if duo mid happens as often as I think it does in your case with you as a lower pick (I've personally reported every single one of them on my smurf).


Somewhere in the Tribunal write-up it explicitly states that players will not be punished just for not following the meta. It's main focus is to stop afk/intentional feed/toxic chat.
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