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On June 13 2013 09:01 GolemMadness wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2013 08:43 arb wrote:On June 13 2013 08:42 Zooper31 wrote:
If we get a diamond only thread all the great talent we have will be taken out of here and put somewhere else where others can't contribute. Sure you can read but then we all just turn into lurkers and discussion stops if you can't post where it matters.
Then people will be classified into 2 categories, Diamond or Below. If you are below then you will have no right to say anything regarding strategy or have any kind of discussion or be taken seriously.
It will just stifle discussion in the long run and boost people's ego's and we will just have a sort of class warfare. reminds me of the douchebags on the sc2 forum wanting a master/gm icon for their posts stupid dick measuring contests l0l. To be fair, it did make some sense during a time when the balance whining was getting ridiculous and you could tell that half the people doing it had no idea idea what they were talking about.
should have handed out bans ala broodwar strat forum for that then.
putting your league as an icon or something stupid like that really doesnt change anything. causes a bunch of people who just come in "hurr im diamond listen 2 me cuz im better dan uuuu" stupidity.
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On June 13 2013 08:42 Zooper31 wrote:
If we get a diamond only thread all the great talent we have will be taken out of here and put somewhere else where others can't contribute. Sure you can read but then we all just turn into lurkers and discussion stops if you can't post where it matters.
Then people will be classified into 2 categories, Diamond or Below. If you are below then you will have no right to say anything regarding strategy or have any kind of discussion or be taken seriously.
It will just stifle discussion in the long run and boost people's ego's and we will just have a sort of class warfare amongst our community when we don't need it.
TL didn't do it for BW where only Pros or B+ could talk or even for SC2 and only this certain division and above can discuss, why make a change and do it for LoL which isn't even "sponsored" by TL.
I don't really support the idea, but TL LoL is a pretty tightly-knit community. i really don't think this would happen, particularly given how most of the Diamond players who post actively are subforum vets by now.
Neo wouldn't let that happen to this subforum. Have a little more faith in him, lol.
On June 13 2013 09:06 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2013 09:01 GolemMadness wrote:On June 13 2013 08:43 arb wrote:On June 13 2013 08:42 Zooper31 wrote:
If we get a diamond only thread all the great talent we have will be taken out of here and put somewhere else where others can't contribute. Sure you can read but then we all just turn into lurkers and discussion stops if you can't post where it matters.
Then people will be classified into 2 categories, Diamond or Below. If you are below then you will have no right to say anything regarding strategy or have any kind of discussion or be taken seriously.
It will just stifle discussion in the long run and boost people's ego's and we will just have a sort of class warfare. reminds me of the douchebags on the sc2 forum wanting a master/gm icon for their posts stupid dick measuring contests l0l. To be fair, it did make some sense during a time when the balance whining was getting ridiculous and you could tell that half the people doing it had no idea idea what they were talking about. should have handed out bans ala broodwar strat forum for that then. putting your league as an icon or something stupid like that really doesnt change anything. causes a bunch of people who just come in "hurr im diamond listen 2 me cuz im better dan uuuu" stupidity.
The posting volume of SC2 at the time absolutely dwarfed anything TL had to deal with in the BW era. It was simply no longer practical to use case-by-case moderation to solve the issue anymore.
I don't think it was the best solution, but any of TL's existing measures at the time were simply unsustainable, and SOMETHING new had to come.
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Just noting that in SC2 terms, Silver I + is Diamond (80th percentile), Plat IV + is Masters(98th percentile).
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On June 13 2013 08:41 Parametric wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2013 08:31 kainzero wrote:
aren't golems exp reduced anyway?
i fully endorse a diamond only forum/thread
then we can get all that trash out of this thread. lol What about the people who are in diamond but are trash, ie. me XD
you think us non-diamond level players can work with more than one equation? get outta here with your multiple equations bound with a single parameter.
On June 13 2013 05:45 Scip wrote:
I had the same feelings as nyx about this forum and even left for like 2 months but then I realized I don't know any other way of procrastinating.
that's why i'm here, honestly.
if i wanted to get better at the game, i'd play the game. this place is funny.
i feel that real improvement comes from actually playing the game which is why i could really care less if diamond players ran away to their own thread.
generally i don't care if i'm not heard. if what i say is actually and intrinsically good then it'll get through eventually. most of the time it's not.
speaking of which, holy crap i've been holding on to this syndra guide for a long time. i need to post it when i get home. i also was planning on writing something where you could analyze decision-making based on risk. one of these days when i'm not so lazy...
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On June 13 2013 09:24 JALbert wrote:
Just noting that in SC2 terms, Silver I + is Diamond (80th percentile), Plat IV + is Masters(98th percentile).
FEELS GOOD
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On June 13 2013 09:33 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2013 09:24 JALbert wrote:
Just noting that in SC2 terms, Silver I + is Diamond (80th percentile), Plat IV + is Masters(98th percentile). FEELS GOOD
I guess despite never getting out of gold by that logic im atleast Plat
go me.
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Comparisons between LoL rankings and SC2 rankings are not apt. You don't have to play ~150 games before playing ranked in sc. Also, correct me if im wrong, but don't the percentages that riot provides (i.e. silver is top 50% of players or whatever) include all players, including pre-levels 30's. It would be interesting to actually see the stats for 'active' ranked players.
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On June 13 2013 09:44 Dgiese wrote:
Comparisons between LoL rankings and SC2 rankings are not apt. You don't have to play ~150 games before playing ranked in sc. Also, correct me if im wrong, but don't the percentages that riot provides (i.e. silver is top 50% of players or whatever) include all players, including pre-levels 30's. It would be interesting to actually see the stats for 'active' ranked players.
There were recently released breakdowns of the ranked population, I don't know if those were the percentiles he was referencing but they are certainly there to be referenced.
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oh excellent, I was not aware they had released such data, i'll have to check it out.
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On June 13 2013 09:49 Dgiese wrote:
oh excellent, I was not aware they had released such data, i'll have to check it out.
Data from here, about a month old via reddit: http://i.imgur.com/df5v8rD.png
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Oh hell naw, i refuse to believe that picture is accurate.
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I'd say that it's significantly harder to climb the ladder in LoL.
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On June 13 2013 10:08 Capped wrote:
Oh hell naw, i refuse to believe that picture is accurate.
Well it's presumably accurate for all ranked players. If that were changed to 'regularly active' ranked players that might look a little different, but that's purely speculation on my behalf.
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On June 13 2013 10:30 Alaric wrote:
Wrong thread.
Shortest Alaric post ever.
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I'm not sure I understand that picture, because in the two different graphs it says there's different numbers of people in each division.
lolsummoners.com imo.
I'm not sure that a strict division comparison works for SC2<>LoL, because division and MMR in LoL vary wildly, whereas in SC2 they don't vary as much. It's typical in LoL for division 1 of a league and division 5 of the next league to have considerable overlap. The system won't promote you from silver 1 say until you're playing almost exclusively gold 4-3 players.
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On June 13 2013 10:34 Ketara wrote:
I'm not sure I understand that picture, because in the two different graphs it says there's different numbers of people in each division.
lolsummoners.com imo.
I'm not sure that a strict division comparison works for SC2<>LoL, because division and MMR in LoL vary wildly, whereas in SC2 they don't vary as much. It's typical in LoL for division 1 of a league and division 5 of the next league to have considerable overlap. The system won't promote you from silver 1 say until you're playing almost exclusively gold 4-3 players.
The division numbers aren't different, they're just presented in different formats. First graph is total population of the percentile that would include that division(so you should read it backwards from challenger->Bronze V, adding the amount of people in a division until reaching the total ranked population of ~875k). The second graph is just # in division. If you do the subtraction they add up exactly as expected.
Also they're obviously not exactly accurate, but neither are SC2's. The only real outliers would be people who literally got carried to a new league and are prevented from demotion, but that is certainly an extreme minority.
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I love the new nashor's on Teemo so much. :D
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