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Looks like we're back to status quo. Hope more of you lurkers unburrow and talk with us. :3

If you have any issues or comments about the new design, feel free to PM Neo.
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
May 19 2013 15:39 GMT
#1121
Tear on ashe? Just get chalice like genja and rap the lane cus u can spam W all day.
hi
justiceknight
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Singapore5741 Posts
May 19 2013 15:57 GMT
#1122
saw reddit saying OGN has a ALL star korea team vs vs allstar korea B team,any1 has the vods?
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
May 19 2013 16:24 GMT
#1123
Vods are on OGN's twitch channel, but you need to subscribe for them. (And all OGN Champions VODs - a worthwhile sub, IMO.)
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-19 17:16:02
May 19 2013 16:27 GMT
#1124
Hey there was a site that let you sort vods by type of champion played as well as builds. Does anyone know where I can find that? I want to see a standard (not a roflstomp smurf vs first time little brother on account Nasus) Jayce game where Jayce opens tear.

nvm. I found a guy on stream lol. There's always a Jayce on stream. As suspected he lost all lane trades but against someone with low kill potential like shen it seemed all right. Plus the bonus of being offensive top is that you can build lifesteal and afford to lose all trades by 300 life XD.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
May 19 2013 16:34 GMT
#1125
hey guys, thoughts on swain?
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
Artok
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands2219 Posts
May 19 2013 16:39 GMT
#1126
On May 20 2013 01:34 Mensol wrote:
hey guys, thoughts on swain?

bad, short range, not much burst and gets outscaled fast past midgame.
Chun-li since ST
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-19 16:42:35
May 19 2013 16:41 GMT
#1127
On May 20 2013 01:34 Mensol wrote:
hey guys, thoughts on swain?


Needs farm and blue, can do good damage and is fairly tanky, but you can just play Mundo instead if you want to fill that kind of niche with less farm. Also, there are items that pretty much hard counter him like Morello's.

But fun to play with a fiddle and go CAW CAW MUTHAFUCKAAAAA
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h3r1n6
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Iceland2039 Posts
May 19 2013 16:49 GMT
#1128
Swain sucks at pushing, his damage is mostly single target and his W is surprisingly hard to hit against anyone with decent mechanics. He also has mana problems and has lowish range on everything but W.

He is good against kiteable melee champs and when fed he can literally 1v3 people. There isn't much reason to pick him over Ryze though.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
May 19 2013 16:50 GMT
#1129
When was this team announcement meant to be made?
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
May 19 2013 16:59 GMT
#1130
On May 20 2013 01:41 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2013 01:34 Mensol wrote:
hey guys, thoughts on swain?


Needs farm and blue, can do good damage and is fairly tanky, but you can just play Mundo instead if you want to fill that kind of niche with less farm. Also, there are items that pretty much hard counter him like Morello's.

But fun to play with a fiddle and go CAW CAW MUTHAFUCKAAAAA

He doesn't need blue in lane, in fact, he has very good mana sustain if you can last hit properly.

He's just a forgotten champ like many others, and he's very good in the right hands.
The legend of Darien lives on
Cloud9157
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2968 Posts
May 19 2013 17:03 GMT
#1131
Swain is a lane bully. Liandry's Swain is pretty silly overall, lots of amplified damage to go around. Single-target sucks for the most part in team fights, but hes very good at absorbing punishment.
"Are you absolutely sure that armor only affects the health portion of a protoss army??? That doesn't sound right to me. source?" -Some idiot
Dgiese
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2687 Posts
May 19 2013 17:03 GMT
#1132
On May 20 2013 01:59 mr_tolkien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2013 01:41 ticklishmusic wrote:
On May 20 2013 01:34 Mensol wrote:
hey guys, thoughts on swain?


Needs farm and blue, can do good damage and is fairly tanky, but you can just play Mundo instead if you want to fill that kind of niche with less farm. Also, there are items that pretty much hard counter him like Morello's.

But fun to play with a fiddle and go CAW CAW MUTHAFUCKAAAAA

He doesn't need blue in lane, in fact, he has very good mana sustain if you can last hit properly.

He's just a forgotten champ like many others, and he's very good in the right hands.

no love for southpaws
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
May 19 2013 17:07 GMT
#1133
Swain is really good as a counterpick. His teamfight is also decent.... but his laning phase has some problems due to low pushing.
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
May 19 2013 17:20 GMT
#1134
Swain EQ -> autos -> W the escape route trading is really strong against ranged mages as well if he can get close. His waveclear also is NP after 6 and he doesn't need a blue as all Swains rush Athenes as well. Remember Anivia waveclear is awful before 6 as well. I don't think he's awful but there's usually better options
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Artok
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands2219 Posts
May 19 2013 17:21 GMT
#1135
On May 20 2013 02:20 Shikyo wrote:
Swain EQ -> autos -> W the escape route trading is really strong against ranged mages as well if he can get close. His waveclear also is NP after 6 and he doesn't need a blue as all Swains rush Athenes as well. Remember Anivia waveclear is awful before 6 as well. I don't think he's awful but there's usually better options

short ranged sustained damage ap mages that have to be in the middle of fight and have only skillshot cc are awful sadly
Chun-li since ST
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
May 19 2013 17:23 GMT
#1136
Ashe does have a mana problem. But her other problems are worse. That is really the Ashe problem. You need to volley to keep up in lane, but you lose at 6, because you don't have mana for ult plus volley.
Freeeeeeedom
Cloud9157
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2968 Posts
May 19 2013 17:23 GMT
#1137
On May 20 2013 02:21 Artok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2013 02:20 Shikyo wrote:
Swain EQ -> autos -> W the escape route trading is really strong against ranged mages as well if he can get close. His waveclear also is NP after 6 and he doesn't need a blue as all Swains rush Athenes as well. Remember Anivia waveclear is awful before 6 as well. I don't think he's awful but there's usually better options

short ranged sustained damage ap mages that have to be in the middle of fight and have only skillshot cc are awful sadly


You mean vlad, minus the cc?
"Are you absolutely sure that armor only affects the health portion of a protoss army??? That doesn't sound right to me. source?" -Some idiot
Schwopzi
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands954 Posts
May 19 2013 17:24 GMT
#1138
Swain doesn't deal too well with tanks yet has a really hard time landing his damage on squishies in teamfights. Couple that with pretty mediocre aoe and you can see why he's not popular.

As far as i can tell most popular mid champs can get to and eliminate other squishies in teamfights with proper play or just do retarded aoe damage (im lookin at you karthus and ryze).
You could pick him for his cc but then there are also much better options (like cho).
Only the dead have seen the end of war
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
May 19 2013 17:25 GMT
#1139
On May 19 2013 23:01 Letmelose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2013 22:53 Shikyo wrote:
On May 19 2013 22:50 Letmelose wrote:
It's been quite a while since I last saw Uzi, and I must say his Vayne mechanics has been quite underwhelming considering how high I thought his level was. And why is it that every time I tune in to watch some high quality Chinese games everyone farms up to six items before doing anything?

It's pretty much the chinese tradition to farm until 60min before fighting


Now I understand why iG throws so much. I would gouge my eyeballs out purely from frustration if I had to play like this every single game. I personally thought it wouldn't be so bad if China won the All Stars Championship since it would be more likely we'll get to enjoy the talents of players such as Uzi, Cool, and LoveLin. Now I'll be praying everyday that Korea takes it. Imagine the group stages filled with teams like Evil Geniuses, Team We, and OMG. They will bore their oppositon into submission.

imo china plays safe but if they have an advantage, they press it like no other. i've seen a ton of 18:00 baron attempts in the last few weeks. korea is definitely more ballsy.

compared to NA though, china is way more exciting. at least china seizes opportunities.

also in dota, chinese were known for being farmers before, but they were the more aggressive teams in TI2 and they continued to be more aggressive following that. on the other hand western teams have had games where they sacrifice lanes (as in, there's no one in that lane for one team, letting the other carry free-farm as they try and make plays elsewhere).


let's not get ahead of ourselves and believe the reputation before actually watching a good chunk of games

this reminds me of how flash in BW was known here as a boring turtle when a lot of his games at the time were actually exciting and aggressive and often times needed ingenuity because he'd fall into a pit early game and needed to come back in the mid and late game. but nope, had that reputation of being a turtle so everyone would call him that without actually watching the games...
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
May 19 2013 17:30 GMT
#1140
On May 20 2013 02:03 Dgiese wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2013 01:59 mr_tolkien wrote:
On May 20 2013 01:41 ticklishmusic wrote:
On May 20 2013 01:34 Mensol wrote:
hey guys, thoughts on swain?


Needs farm and blue, can do good damage and is fairly tanky, but you can just play Mundo instead if you want to fill that kind of niche with less farm. Also, there are items that pretty much hard counter him like Morello's.

But fun to play with a fiddle and go CAW CAW MUTHAFUCKAAAAA

He doesn't need blue in lane, in fact, he has very good mana sustain if you can last hit properly.

He's just a forgotten champ like many others, and he's very good in the right hands.

no love for southpaws


he's not too bad in lane, but once out of lane he feels binary. either too squishy and gets blown up, or a never dying idgaf of crows
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