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On December 28 2012 00:26 Abenson wrote:
Huh, Grackis is still playing?
Last I heard of him he's a giant rager and overall dick, dunno why anyone would wanna make a team with him.
Also I notice 3 TL'ers there - Yiruru, DURRHURRDERP, and Navi
Yea that account of his was permabanned he plays on Karnesh now. Yea that is the impression most people are under because that's when he was infamous. Granted he really isn't relevant now, however he has mellowed out a bit. At least from what I saw when he was streaming their 5's last night. He didn't really do anything impressive but listening to their communication was refreshing. Though from what I've seen in the NESL pro series they can't compete with top tier NA teams. However with this format depending on their true seed I would give them a good shot at making the offline portion of the event.
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On December 28 2012 00:26 Abenson wrote:
Huh, Grackis is still playing?
Last I heard of him he's a giant rager and overall dick, dunno why anyone would wanna make a team with him.
Also I notice 3 TL'ers there - Yiruru, DURRHURRDERP, and Navi
heartbeattt as well
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On December 28 2012 00:37 WhiteDog wrote:This is absolutly brilliant. Let's hope Riot add this. Stolen from some reddit dude.
Eh, I think in the long run it's just giving the trolls what they want, they do what they do to get a rise out of you/for attention. Seeing a little message isn't going to deter them, the surprise ban will. Besides, I don't want to have to see a warning after a game because some person on my team was being a bitch because I took 3 farm from him while he was dead.
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On December 28 2012 00:59 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2012 00:37 WhiteDog wrote:This is absolutly brilliant. Let's hope Riot add this. Stolen from some reddit dude. Eh, I think in the long run it's just giving the trolls what they want, they do what they do to get a rise out of you/for attention. Seeing a little message isn't going to deter them, the surprise ban will. Besides, I don't want to have to see a warning after a game because some person on my team was being a bitch because I took 3 farm from him while he was dead.
Also, Lyte has said on the forums that they don't want to implement this because people who aren't toxic might have some sort of shock reaction or something to it. Can't find the original post since it wasn't in the 1% of Toxic Players Banned thread, but I do recall that post somewhere.
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I think a far better thing would be when someone gets punished that you reported you should get a message saying so. That way you at least feel like you doing something.
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Also, it doesn't tell you if the report was correct or not. False reports (and also known false reports, because the system flags people who report a lot but don't have their reports acted upon) have a different effect to real reports.
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On December 28 2012 01:16 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
Also, it doesn't tell you if the report was correct or not. False reports (and also known false reports, because the system flags people who report a lot but don't have their reports acted upon) have a different effect to real reports.
It doesn't really matter, you still happen to know when you are reported which is a good thing.
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One thing i feel is distincly missing is some way to actually give a statement to the tribunal if you are the accused. I think something that allows for that would greatly improve the system. At the moment, only the accusers get to make a statement (though they rarely use this right, at least most of the tribunal cases i see are completely without any statements), which i think is part of why the tribunal system is viewed as shady by a lot of people. That, and adding post and pregame chats would be very important additions.
You don't need to know about every time some guy reported you if you know that you will be able to make a statement if you actually end up in tribunal. This way, if you think that the way you acted was correct, you get to explain that. There is a certain amount of fear in a system where people state that they report you all the time, and you know that you can get punished without ever getting to say a single word to anyone based on those reports which you think are not justified, but where the reporter can spread any lies he wants to.
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On December 28 2012 01:19 WhiteDog wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2012 01:16 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
Also, it doesn't tell you if the report was correct or not. False reports (and also known false reports, because the system flags people who report a lot but don't have their reports acted upon) have a different effect to real reports. It doesn't really matter, you still happen to know when you are reported which is a good thing.
How is it a good thing?
If you did nothing wrong, and really did nothing wrong, you'll feel the system sucks dick, cause you're being reported for something you feel you didn't do wrong.
If you did something wrong, and feel you did nothing wrong, you'll feel the system sucks dick for the same reason above.
If you're a troll, (aka someone who did something wrong, knew he was doing something wrong, and doesn't give a shit cause fuck you) you'll feel like you accomplished your goal, and we don't want to reward trolls for being cockgobblers.
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On December 28 2012 00:17 Irave wrote:So the rough idea of the top 32 NA, eliminating duplicates and already qualified. + Show Spoiler +Nobody Important Died (Few aL members)
Azure Iris
Young Based God
Small Dads GO to Heaven
The Salad Bar
Teen Titanz
Falafel Gaming (Azingy)
FXO (Navi)
Epik Gamer (Dan and friends)
1 Trick Ponies
Game too hard
Team towerdivetV
Yungsters
Motion Gaming 32 (Grackis)
Abnormalize (cat8)
Necessary Evil (Bisu)
Team Normal Stars
United Serenus Gaming
DVS Spark
U Rage Quit
Objective eSports 2
Dednakai Gaming (h4ckerv2)
we fly high no lie (Atlanta, DURR)
Heating up (chaseonfire)
Team Try Again
Hedgehog Brigade
top 15 na team inc
MarcnCatz (Marn, Heartbeatt)
Hyperbeast City Pt 4
Extra Chrispy
Team ThreeSports
UBC esports Premier (Yiruru) PL's team ~36 so would need a few teams to not be eligible to advance. Don't know the ages but it's likely at least 2 won't be able to participate.
I'm curious to see how PLs team would do against Epik Gamer or Nobody Important Died. IMO those 2 teams have the bed synergy and chance to make it far. Plus both of them have for the most part played in major live tournaments even if it wasn't on the same team. I may be biased but I don't really think PLs team would do well vs those two
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serious question:
was there some streamer or something lately that was running jungle tp/smite yi lately? cause i've seen roughly 1 in every other game for the last week and its rather annoying cause they all die instantly
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On December 28 2012 00:17 Irave wrote:
Nobody Important Died (Few aL members) - likely barred from play
Azure Iris - already qualified
Young Based God
Small Dads GO to Heaven
The Salad Bar
Teen Titanz - all members are under 17, can't qualify
Falafel Gaming (Azingy)
FXO (Navi)
Epik Gamer (Dan and friends)
1 Trick Ponies
Game too hard
Team towerdivetV
Yungsters - already qualified as SSSWL18 in MLG
Motion Gaming 32 (Grackis)
Abnormalize (cat8) - cat8 on multiple teams, i feel like at least one (this one?) will not be counted
Necessary Evil (Bisu)
Team Normal Stars
United Serenus Gaming
DVS Spark
U Rage Quit
Objective eSports 2
Dednakai Gaming (h4ckerv2)
we fly high no lie (Atlanta, DURR)
Heating up (chaseonfire)
Team Try Again
Hedgehog Brigade
top 16 na team inc
MarcnCatz (Marn, Heartbeatt)
Hyperbeast City Pt 4 - this is Severity Gaming, we don't play any more
Extra Chrispy
Team ThreeSports
UBC esports Premier (Yiruru)
PL's team ~36 so would need a few teams to not be eligible to advance. Don't know the ages but it's likely at least 2 won't be able to participate.
a little insight into some of those. PL might have just made it! freebie seed for Pulse!
next 6 seeds:
myR Rampage
Rachel Starr
Sasuke Training
Team Goat Zoo (GGod + muppet)
Team Undergeared (GHANDISAUCE!!!!!!!!)
Focus Me
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somebody can make a EU ranking list?
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On December 28 2012 01:27 BlackPaladin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2012 01:19 WhiteDog wrote:On December 28 2012 01:16 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
Also, it doesn't tell you if the report was correct or not. False reports (and also known false reports, because the system flags people who report a lot but don't have their reports acted upon) have a different effect to real reports. It doesn't really matter, you still happen to know when you are reported which is a good thing. How is it a good thing? If you did nothing wrong, and really did nothing wrong, you'll feel the system sucks dick, cause you're being reported for something you feel you didn't do wrong. If you did something wrong, and feel you did nothing wrong, you'll feel the system sucks dick for the same reason above. If you're a troll, (aka someone who did something wrong, knew he was doing something wrong, and doesn't give a shit cause fuck you) you'll feel like you accomplished your goal, and we don't want to reward trolls for being cockgobblers.
Seriously what the hell. if you have one report, from a douche who argued with everyone on the team, then you know the report is meaningless. On the other side, if you got 2-3 or even 4 report every games, then you got to ask yourself what happened, maybe you did a mystakes, and no, nobody wants to get banned, especially considered the investment some people put in this game (after 3 years, and the number of skin I have ?) so I don't see people trolling except really toxic player.
At least it's way better than the current situation where you know there is a list of "toxic" players, where some people get fucking "santa baron" icon because they are not on "bad santa veigar's list".
Come on, let's get serious.
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On December 28 2012 02:16 WhiteDog wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2012 01:27 BlackPaladin wrote:On December 28 2012 01:19 WhiteDog wrote:On December 28 2012 01:16 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
Also, it doesn't tell you if the report was correct or not. False reports (and also known false reports, because the system flags people who report a lot but don't have their reports acted upon) have a different effect to real reports. It doesn't really matter, you still happen to know when you are reported which is a good thing. How is it a good thing? If you did nothing wrong, and really did nothing wrong, you'll feel the system sucks dick, cause you're being reported for something you feel you didn't do wrong. If you did something wrong, and feel you did nothing wrong, you'll feel the system sucks dick for the same reason above. If you're a troll, (aka someone who did something wrong, knew he was doing something wrong, and doesn't give a shit cause fuck you) you'll feel like you accomplished your goal, and we don't want to reward trolls for being cockgobblers. Seriously what the hell. if you have one report, from a douche who argued with everyone on the team, then you know the report is meaningless. On the other side, if you got 2-3 or even 4 report every games, then you got to ask yourself what happened, maybe you did a mystakes, and no, nobody wants to get banned, especially considered the investment some people put in this game (after 3 years, and the number of skin I have ?) so I don't see people trolling except really toxic player. At least it's way better than the current situation where you know there is a list of "toxic" players, where some people get fucking "santa baron" icon because they are not on "bad santa veigar's list". Come on, let's get serious.
1. You are overestimating how logically and with how much intelligence people look at their own actions, you see it a lot once Riot posts about their ban waves. People sincerely believe that they have done no wrong, even if they obviously have to everyone else.
2. If you hate the "kiddie" aspect of how Riot runs their game and promotions then there is a lovely game that would suit you perfectly, its called "not League of Legends" or "go to DOTA2 if you want serious business". LoL is a very cartoony, somewhat silly game, that is it's niche and it is not going to change anytime soon, if you really feel so strongly that this is bad, well then I am afraid you are playing the wrong game.
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On December 28 2012 02:16 WhiteDog wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2012 01:27 BlackPaladin wrote:On December 28 2012 01:19 WhiteDog wrote:On December 28 2012 01:16 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
Also, it doesn't tell you if the report was correct or not. False reports (and also known false reports, because the system flags people who report a lot but don't have their reports acted upon) have a different effect to real reports. It doesn't really matter, you still happen to know when you are reported which is a good thing. How is it a good thing? If you did nothing wrong, and really did nothing wrong, you'll feel the system sucks dick, cause you're being reported for something you feel you didn't do wrong. If you did something wrong, and feel you did nothing wrong, you'll feel the system sucks dick for the same reason above. If you're a troll, (aka someone who did something wrong, knew he was doing something wrong, and doesn't give a shit cause fuck you) you'll feel like you accomplished your goal, and we don't want to reward trolls for being cockgobblers. Seriously what the hell. if you have one report, from a douche who argued with everyone on the team, then you know the report is meaningless. On the other side, if you got 2-3 or even 4 report every games, then you got to ask yourself what happened, maybe you did a mystakes, and no, nobody wants to get banned, especially considered the investment some people put in this game (after 3 years, and the number of skin I have ?) so I don't see people trolling except really toxic player. At least it's way better than the current situation where you know there is a list of "toxic" players, where some people get fucking "santa baron" icon because they are not on "bad santa veigar's list". Come on, let's get serious.
It actually amazes me that you're still angry about the santa baron icon.
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On December 28 2012 02:16 WhiteDog wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2012 01:27 BlackPaladin wrote:On December 28 2012 01:19 WhiteDog wrote:On December 28 2012 01:16 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
Also, it doesn't tell you if the report was correct or not. False reports (and also known false reports, because the system flags people who report a lot but don't have their reports acted upon) have a different effect to real reports. It doesn't really matter, you still happen to know when you are reported which is a good thing. How is it a good thing? If you did nothing wrong, and really did nothing wrong, you'll feel the system sucks dick, cause you're being reported for something you feel you didn't do wrong. If you did something wrong, and feel you did nothing wrong, you'll feel the system sucks dick for the same reason above. If you're a troll, (aka someone who did something wrong, knew he was doing something wrong, and doesn't give a shit cause fuck you) you'll feel like you accomplished your goal, and we don't want to reward trolls for being cockgobblers. Seriously what the hell. if you have one report, from a douche who argued with everyone on the team, then you know the report is meaningless.
Nope. I got 2 bans and 3 warning, never been reported by more than 1 guy each game. Never. In all the cases I've been given.
The system is not completly unjust, but the problem is the community. In DotA you have close to no bans and WAY less flaming.
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On December 28 2012 02:38 Leonite7 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2012 02:16 WhiteDog wrote:On December 28 2012 01:27 BlackPaladin wrote:On December 28 2012 01:19 WhiteDog wrote:On December 28 2012 01:16 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
Also, it doesn't tell you if the report was correct or not. False reports (and also known false reports, because the system flags people who report a lot but don't have their reports acted upon) have a different effect to real reports. It doesn't really matter, you still happen to know when you are reported which is a good thing. How is it a good thing? If you did nothing wrong, and really did nothing wrong, you'll feel the system sucks dick, cause you're being reported for something you feel you didn't do wrong. If you did something wrong, and feel you did nothing wrong, you'll feel the system sucks dick for the same reason above. If you're a troll, (aka someone who did something wrong, knew he was doing something wrong, and doesn't give a shit cause fuck you) you'll feel like you accomplished your goal, and we don't want to reward trolls for being cockgobblers. Seriously what the hell. if you have one report, from a douche who argued with everyone on the team, then you know the report is meaningless. On the other side, if you got 2-3 or even 4 report every games, then you got to ask yourself what happened, maybe you did a mystakes, and no, nobody wants to get banned, especially considered the investment some people put in this game (after 3 years, and the number of skin I have ?) so I don't see people trolling except really toxic player. At least it's way better than the current situation where you know there is a list of "toxic" players, where some people get fucking "santa baron" icon because they are not on "bad santa veigar's list". Come on, let's get serious. 1. You are overestimating how logically and with how much intelligence people look at their own actions, you see it a lot once Riot posts about their ban waves. People sincerely believe that they have done no wrong, even if they obviously have to everyone else. 2. If you hate the "kiddie" aspect of how Riot runs their game and promotions then there is a lovely game that would suit you perfectly, its called "not League of Legends" or "go to DOTA2 if you want serious business". LoL is a very cartoony, somewhat silly game, that is it's niche and it is not going to change anytime soon, if you really feel so strongly that this is bad, well then I am afraid you are playing the wrong game.
This.
I explained this, but I guess not well enough.
People who did nothing wrong yet get reported normally are like "Wtf, what a douche." The system is stupid to these sort of people because they know that these false reports are fucking dumb. All it means to these people is that reports are kind of silly.
However, the people who really do something wrong but believe they genuinely didn't think THE EXACT SAME THING AS ABOVE. Because they honestly believe they did nothing wrong. Have you not ever had that happen before? When you, in your opinion, are right? If not, what world do you live in?
In both these cases, people will not heed the report as anything but a false report.
There might be a few people who genuinely are ragey, and have anger management problems, and KNOW this (maybe they're actually getting profession help), who might see the report and go "hey, maybe I really was a dick, I should fix that," but honestly, how many people are really like that for real? I think I know 1 person in my life who really genuinely had those issues and would think that way. Most would be like the above with the false report reaction.
Then the last group are the trolls, who are only fed through such a system.
If you really think this isn't true, I don't know what world you live in, but it certainly must have rainbows and unicorns.
The system currently obviously isn't perfect. The tribunal + reporting is genuinely flawed due to the community as a whole being involved in that, and even though it's riot employees who actually hand out the bans based off what they think of a case, they're still humans and might not see the full picture. Even so, your suggestion of showing people they were reported holds no value to benefit anyone but feed the trolls egos.
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I am kind of annoyed by the Santa baron icon, mostly because being the good little summoner that I am I've still yet to receive it. I've accepted it but it does confuse me as to why I was not given such.
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Ive been banned like 4 times fuck Santa Baron.
Also society.
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