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sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-19 15:30:35
October 19 2012 15:29 GMT
#1021
Is he really that farm dependent or squishy? Spellshield neutralizes a moderate amount of damage (and potentially CC - I'd take noct spellshield over many other defensive abilities), and his steroids allow him to do respectable damage without building much in the way of offensive items. The only thing I'd consider really essential for his offensive prowess is a phage - and that's as much for the utility as the damage, because you get such a big window to fish for procs from Q+E.
Ryalnos
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1946 Posts
October 19 2012 15:30 GMT
#1022
What the hell is Neoillusions' new icon, btw?
qtiehunter
Profile Joined August 2012
1088 Posts
October 19 2012 15:33 GMT
#1023
On October 20 2012 00:30 Ryalnos wrote:
What the hell is Neoillusions' new icon, btw?


new teemo skin
RIP KT.Violet
Ferrose
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States11378 Posts
October 19 2012 15:33 GMT
#1024
On October 20 2012 00:30 Ryalnos wrote:
What the hell is Neoillusions' new icon, btw?


[image loading]
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Leeto
Profile Joined August 2007
United States1320 Posts
October 19 2012 15:40 GMT
#1025
On October 19 2012 23:47 AsnSensation wrote:
when darius ult animation starts and I pool as vlad, what happens


It will cancel the ult, so you won't take any damage. It doesn't go on cooldown though, so once you come out of pool he'll dunk you again.
Schwopzi
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands954 Posts
October 19 2012 15:43 GMT
#1026
On October 20 2012 00:40 Leeto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2012 23:47 AsnSensation wrote:
when darius ult animation starts and I pool as vlad, what happens


It will cancel the ult, so you won't take any damage. It doesn't go on cooldown though, so once you come out of pool he'll dunk you again.


You only dunk twice.
Only the dead have seen the end of war
Sandster
Profile Joined November 2006
United States4054 Posts
October 19 2012 15:50 GMT
#1027
On October 20 2012 00:29 sylverfyre wrote:
Is he really that farm dependent or squishy? Spellshield neutralizes a moderate amount of damage (and potentially CC - I'd take noct spellshield over many other defensive abilities), and his steroids allow him to do respectable damage without building much in the way of offensive items. The only thing I'd consider really essential for his offensive prowess is a phage - and that's as much for the utility as the damage, because you get such a big window to fish for procs from Q+E.


Farm dependent: Nocturne needs wriggles. So your typical build is going to have wriggles, hog, aegis, and either phage or randuins. Compare this to other junglers, who do their jobs with just double gp5 + aegis. Nocturne needs to be built bruiser, since his main function is damage, instead of utility.

Squishy: When the class of junglers right now are skarner, maokai, mundo, and lee, (with the occasional malphite amumu olaf or shen) yes, noc is very squishy. You have no innate tankiness outside of W, and you have no escape mechanisms. You also can't build too defensively or you do less damage and utility compared to the guys mentioned above (again, your primary job is to dive carries).

Yeah your post-6 ganks are scary and you have nice steroid from Q, but nocturne just doesn't do well with the little farm that junglers get these days. You really need phage/wit's and several defensive items to be worth anything lategame, and even then it's debatable you'll actually do enough damage to carries to kill or zone them without instantly blowing up yourself.

Add in the fact that Nocturne is used to dive the enemy carries and now everyone plays blink champions, and he's even harder to justify. I don't think he's bad, especially solo queue, but teams right now are focused on having a more support-oriented jungler.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-19 16:01:14
October 19 2012 16:00 GMT
#1028
Nocturne's engaging is based around him doing damage and spellshield is a meh tank steriod for someone who's a: supposed to engage and b: supposed to build damage. At least if you're amumu or maokai or skarner if you get focused after your engage you probably weren't worth focusing since you used your ults and built pretty much full tank. Nocturne will maybe get his fear leash off and do some damage with it but it's not the same. He was mostly picked for his ult ganking and that got nerfed.

Lee isnt picked that much either and he has escapes and jumps and doesn't have to engage and still falls off because he's squishy.
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
October 19 2012 16:38 GMT
#1029
Oh my god, holy NeoIllusion Nocturne badass mofo BATMAN! Nice icon you got there brohan.
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
October 19 2012 16:43 GMT
#1030
Neo, we going to start seeing some LoL stuff in the sidebar/calendar? Or is that still outside your power?
It's your boy Guzma!
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
October 19 2012 16:44 GMT
#1031
I don't know why nocturne fell out of a favor in solo queue. Like, okay, let's assume that pro meta shifted in tanky support junglers. But I'm still not sure why no one plays him in solo. *shrug*
JerKy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)3013 Posts
October 19 2012 16:45 GMT
#1032
neo i love your new icon
wtb plz, how much RP will that be?
You can type "StarCraft" with just your left hand.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
October 19 2012 16:45 GMT
#1033
Neo's new icon es best icon?
liftlift > tsm
-Zoda-
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
France3578 Posts
October 19 2012 16:47 GMT
#1034
People Will definitely buy temporary skin wards. Like, when you buy a halloween costume, do you use it all year long ?
♪ 最初はi つなぐdo それ つまりlife 常に移動 ♪ - IGN: Uhryks
Doctorbeat
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands13241 Posts
October 19 2012 16:47 GMT
#1035
On October 20 2012 01:43 Requizen wrote:
Neo, we going to start seeing some LoL stuff in the sidebar/calendar? Or is that still outside your power?


Don't think so. I mean, LoL events are on the sidebar sometimes (big stuff like S2 Finals), but afaik only DotA2/SC2 content is on the calendar.
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overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
October 19 2012 16:49 GMT
#1036
On October 20 2012 01:44 kainzero wrote:
I don't know why nocturne fell out of a favor in solo queue. Like, okay, let's assume that pro meta shifted in tanky support junglers. But I'm still not sure why no one plays him in solo. *shrug*


Much easier to just copy/paste what pros do. Like sheep.

Honestly there are good reasons why champions like Nocturne or Kassadin fell off for pro player. There is no good reason why people in solo queue don't still spam those champions.
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
October 19 2012 16:49 GMT
#1037
Neo I wanna thank you for running with a project I start and then neglect, and making it a success, again. You're the man LOL
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
October 19 2012 16:54 GMT
#1038
On October 20 2012 01:49 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
Neo I wanna thank you for running with a project I start and then neglect, and making it a success, again. You're the man LOL

You're welcome bud.
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Gnabgib
Profile Joined July 2009
United States381 Posts
October 19 2012 16:55 GMT
#1039
I haven't seen too many TF instalocks yet... I think people are still enamored with Orianna.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
October 19 2012 16:57 GMT
#1040
On October 20 2012 01:55 Gnabgib wrote:
I haven't seen too many TF instalocks yet... I think people are still enamored with Orianna.

Considering how the tourney went, can you blame um? toyz pretty much made Orianna look like the most broken champion ever.


I still think Ori is fairly mediocre in solo queue. TF much more stronk in solo queue.
liftlift > tsm
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