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Slow Motion
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6960 Posts
October 23 2012 09:28 GMT
#2461
On October 23 2012 18:21 Cuddle wrote:
Neo gonna be reeeeeally embarrassed when it turns out to be true.

Froggen just "forgot" he had 30k viewers while chatting...

I remember how Doublelift or someone from CLG was talking about how Froggen would have like 20k for hours on end and never remember to play a single ad haha. It's like pissing money down the drain. But da bird don't give a fuck I guess.
Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
October 23 2012 09:32 GMT
#2462
On October 23 2012 18:09 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2012 18:06 MooMooMugi wrote:
I'm looking forward to Loco playing bot with Doublelift, Koreans fully believe that the best player on the team is the support and Loco has worked with Madlife, who is considered top 3 support in the world, for a very long time


Former AD players going Support es king.
Someone said this earlier in the thread but I echo the sentiment.


i think players who can play more than one role at a high level excel at support, as supports need to be able to gauge many more factors in a teamfight than say, an aoe caster who just wants to hit a lot of people with CC and then follow up with focus, or a bruiser who dives in on a desirable target, etc. they need to be able to gauge the correct amount of damage from any given threat, know when protecting the ad isn't the optimal goal in a given teamfight (other allies who require more setup and support than say an ad with flash and cleanse both up against a hard to peel / hard to peel as support / support who would prefer to set up an aoe combo etc. etc.

loco is a very capable player, here's hoping he meshes well with doublelift
Hey! Listen!
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
October 23 2012 09:54 GMT
#2463
I think I can finally say something about Loco being on CLG. This was the best decision for our team, and it makes me feel sick that we had to do something like this to Voyboy, who is pretty much all smiles and kind words the whole way.

With regards to Loco, I think he's one of the most talented players in Korea what he brings to our team both mechanically and strategically is a huge upgrade. I bashed him in numerous interviews, and for some reason people take all my trashtalk very seriously. Loco is an amazing player and it was my choice and my choice alone in picking him.

Quote by Doublelift.

So he got choice in what support he wanted? If I wanted support; loco not my first choice.
liftlift > tsm
Dusty
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3359 Posts
October 23 2012 09:59 GMT
#2464
random question

how the fuck do you do the secret joke on skarner
ChaoSbringer
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Australia1382 Posts
October 23 2012 10:05 GMT
#2465
Stand in bush then wait afaik
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-23 10:10:34
October 23 2012 10:09 GMT
#2466
Most high level ADs and Supports could also play the respective other role on a pretty high level.

Not everyone, but most.

Well, I call CLG to be carried by their botlane when they win, while the other lanes + jungle derp around and do random stuff.
gogo Locolift.


Also, if I could CHOOSE a support, I'd totes get Madlife.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
nyxnyxnyx
Profile Joined April 2010
Indonesia2978 Posts
October 23 2012 10:26 GMT
#2467
madlife 4 life
cool beans
Doctorbeat
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands13241 Posts
October 23 2012 10:38 GMT
#2468
On October 23 2012 18:54 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
I think I can finally say something about Loco being on CLG. This was the best decision for our team, and it makes me feel sick that we had to do something like this to Voyboy, who is pretty much all smiles and kind words the whole way.

With regards to Loco, I think he's one of the most talented players in Korea what he brings to our team both mechanically and strategically is a huge upgrade. I bashed him in numerous interviews, and for some reason people take all my trashtalk very seriously. Loco is an amazing player and it was my choice and my choice alone in picking him.

Quote by Doublelift.

So he got choice in what support he wanted? If I wanted support; loco not my first choice.


Well they need someone who can speak english, and Loco has the Korean practice attitude (hopefully). That should at least help them a bit.

I don't think picking up Loco is a bad idea, but ditching Voyboy for HSGG isn't that great of a trade, imo. Afaik HSGG has an even smaller champion pool top lane than Voyboy. HSGG's jungle champion pool wasn't that great either.

Oh well, we'll see how it pans out. Maybe HSGG will get his top lane flair back and CLG will start to win games again, but personally I'm not getting my hopes up just yet.
- TEAM LIQUID - doctorbeat on LoL
Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
October 23 2012 10:44 GMT
#2469
click threw the clg streams. See doublelift and HSGG playing TT.
WriterFollow me @TL_Chexx
WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
October 23 2012 10:46 GMT
#2470
The thing is, stability is a great asset for a team. Changing roster every time they make mistakes is not going to help them improve. For me it's rather a stupid way of praying that things will fix themselves, while they could have just tried harder, the TSM way.
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-23 10:54:14
October 23 2012 10:52 GMT
#2471
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Doctorbeat
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands13241 Posts
October 23 2012 11:12 GMT
#2472
Commentary from Chauster taken from the CLGaming.net forums:

+ Show Spoiler +
You and Doublelift already have such good synergy; why don't you put locodoco into the jungle?
-no trust

chaustger can u unban me from #clgaming? thank you
-no explanation whatsoever wtf l0l

now that thats over with, is voyboy the "sub" that was being talked about all along?
-no

what champion pool are you initially looking to jungle with?
-lee sin +

Of all roles, why move you to the jungle? must be the roles i've seen you play the least. Ofc I dont know your problemswithin the team, you think this switch is going to solve your problems?
-its the only thing we could agree on working out. were not able to recruit someone new to the team into jungler position that is better than hotshot (even if slightly better it doesnt warrant a replacement). its better for met o learn jungle

When are you guys going to learn that, if anyone should be benched, it should be Hotshot and Jiji? How can you not recognize that hotshot sucked at top, so he tried support and benched elementz, realized he sucked at support, so he went back to top, then realized he sucked at top again and benched the BEST jungler in the game so he could try to jungle? Now he's benching one of the top 2 NA top laners so he can try and not suck again?
-ok lets bench jiji. how are we going to replace him and how are we going to fix the problems within our current team. if i were to list current problems it would be top mid jungle. there is 0% we can fix all 3 at the same time but there is a progression that can be feasible

Come on man, you're smarter than this.
-you should be smart enough to trust. its laughable that anyone outside of clg thinks they have more wisdom than we do about our own team

How do you play Lux lategame if you aren't fed? Her AP ratios aren't the best, so her damage suffers a lot. Do you just play as a support with some poke?
-poke

okay you don't have to say whether or not you openly agree with saint, if there's a hotshot PR concern or something. but does he have a good point? if no why not?
-saints just bitter. www.bosley.com

I think you should talk more a bout voyboy not throwing tho, when he wasn't throwing he takes ALOT of people 1v1. I can't think about Hotshot 1v1 ANYONE from the Asian top teams, hotshots old strategy was just play 3 champions and get pushed into tower, then farm. Won't work anymore with the agressiveness we have now. I like hotshot as a player, hope u know what im saying its not random flame.
-hotshot can easily lane against anyone in the world because thats his playstyle. play passive and farm it out and itll always work. there will obviously be counters to it but since i will be a versatile jungler we can work around it

Is loco gonna join because you guys need a shotcaller?
-no

When's Loco gonna come to the states?
-soontm

Do you think hotshot top will be better than voys?
-maybe

Do you think loco and double will be a good bot lane, since dbl hasn't graduated from chauster school?
-itll be ok

Loco gonna start streaming again?
-probably

team better or worse now on paper ?
-better overall

How can i improve? I need to become a stronger laner, early game player and play maker. I do feel like i have a lot of knowledge of my lane, and i do my homework. Do i just fucking karthus every game?
-learn how to lane better. from your friends pov you dont know how to control your lane as much as you think you do. its hard to learn yourself. youd have to have someone much better talk you through it

Now that you;re on jungle which of these junglers are u planning to run?

Alistar-y
Amumu-y
cho-y
mundo-y
hec-n
jarvan-m
lee sin-y
malphite-y
yi-n
naut-m
noc-y
olaf-m
singed-n
nunu-m
pant-m
maokaiy-
shen-y
rengar-m
rammus-m
skarner-y
shyv-m
shaco-y
trundle-m
udyr-m
volibear-m
ww-n
wukong-n
xin- m

I thought you said multiple times, that if you had to switch roles it'd be top or mid, and you dont really think your that good in the jungle. Thoughts on roster changes?
-its what we can do with available players and our own roster

Everything is situational, but how would you build olaf & kennen?
-olaf- shurelias randuins
kennen- zhonyas l0l

How do you feel about the roster change decision truthfully? Does it make your team stronger or do you feel something else could have been done? Do you think Voyboy is right on having hotshot as manager and voyboy in top lane would be better for the team?
-makes team stronger or we wouldnt have done it; voyboys opinion is just an opinion

r u gonna start dualqueing wit jiji to practice? i want to watch
-yes

Are u confident with your jungling (competitively)?
-not at this current moment

You and hotshot still cool with voyboy?
-somewhat

Do you genuinely think this will make CLG a better team?
-yes

Previously you have stated that jungle is your weakest role, do you feel you can improve your jungle to a top level in the coming months?
-yes

Did Doublelift go to Korea to help pick up locodoco or was he there for his own personal reasons?
-personal

Is this why Doublelift was in Korea previously?
-no

Whose idea was this?
-it was a team decision

Has hotshot been in communication with loco in the past few weeks or did hotshot fly to korea to tell him just now?
-iono

How long has this been in the making?
-voys been talked to for awhile about his play. its been since ogn

Assuming hotshot was the conspirator of this plan, who did he tell? (Excluding voyboy ,obviously)
-the team

How long have you known?
-not sure how long it applies lol

Do you think hotshot will be a better top laner than voyboy?
-yes

WIll doubledoco (locolift?) be as good as chaulift?
-no

Obligatory question:
WIll loco fap on stream again?
- i hope he does so we get more pr

why loco for support?
-he can learn it well since he was an AD player and hes also a very league smart person

Anyways, how do you think you will do in the jungle and how do you think hotshot will fare at top lane with his few picks he knows how to play. I remember that was a problem before?
-i think ill do ok in the jungle and hotshots top pool is actually bigger than ppl give him credit for

Have you practiced with Locodocco as support yet?
-no

How confident are you in the jungle? scale 1 to 10, 10 being very confident
-3 right now but soon itll raise

Will Lapaaka join clg.prime as a sub for s3?
-no

Now to my question how long before u shit on everyone jungling?
-soontm

Saint stating on reddit that the real problem in CLG is hotshot. Your thoughts?
-saint hates hotshot

If doublelift regresses will you guys swap the roles around again?
-no

Oh and how do you think double lift is gonna do without you supporting him.
-he will do ok

S3 does require an official 6th member as substitute correct?
-6th and 7th

Voyboy gonna fill this position?
-if he wants to

You said jungle is probably one of your weakest positions, but now you're playing it. You feeling confident? Annoyed at another major roster swap?
-jungle is my weakest because i dont play it as much as other roles. i am confident that i can learn the position

Also is Voy going back to college with this recent change?
-iono

you yourself said in your ama that jungler is your weakest role. why would the team decide for you to move there if you're bad at it?
-because they know i would be a good jungler

Don't you think that if hotshot became manager/sub and Voyboy stayed top the team would overall be better?
-no

And assuming this decision was actually made with the best intentions for the team going forward and not because Hotshot didn't want to be benched because of pride (which right now i am seriously doubting), can you give any reasons at all why the team thought Hotshot would be the better choice?
-consistency

Is there something wrong with Voy's communication and dedication?
-he doesnt talk

Does Hotshot's champion pool more appeal to you as a team?
-yes

Is it because, as you've said before, Hotshot is one of the few players that knows how to actually tank?
-one of the reasons

Who counters Swain? Who is he good against?
-high burst/pushing champs

stop asking leading questions about how hotshot is a bad player because Chauster will NEVER give an honest opinion on it, even though he knows hotshot has been the cause of CLG's downfall
-i actually dont think hotshot is a bad player. he did give himself more credit than he deserved back in the day but i would never agree to something that would randomly hurt the team. i truly believe that hotshot was a consistent top laner who was demonized because saint was an asshole. we could ALWAYS count on him to do his job

Gonna practice everything? Even Hecarim jungle?
-the good ones before i branch out

Imo, hs is better than voy because hes more consistent. hs win lane? win forever by split pushing. hs lose lane? win later because he farm so much. do u agree?
-hs has more game sense and is more consistent

Think hotshot will do well in 2 v 1 lanes?
-yes

Do you think Locodoco + Doublelift bot lane will ever become as good as you and Doublelift were (considered one of the best - if not the best in the world)?
-no

Are the current roles final, or is there a chance you would move back to support?
-final for now

wouldnt this new lineup possibly open up champion specifics for clg? if u need to go top hotshot can jungle, loco can go top to duel-ad carry with u support and hotshot jungle
-yes

what do you bring to the table in the jungle that hotshot doesn't?
-i have more game knowledge and map awareness and i can play all the junglers potentially since i can play lee sin

semi recently didn't you say jungle was your worst role? l0l
-yes

disregarding CLG pride, would the best situation be
chauster mid
voyboy top
locodoco jungle
bigfatjiji support
doublelift AD?
-that would be quite good. i always imagined jiji to be a good support player if he was taught/learned but everyone doesnt agree with me

Without you CLG's botlane will significantly weaker. Wouldn't it have been better for CLG to keep the dominating bot lane as opposed to now having mediocre bot and top or do you believe Double is good enough to stomp bot by himself?
- if i stay bot we cant fix any problems without gambling


are there any hard feelings between voyboy and hotshot? :/
-not from what i know'

I've got a question for you. Just so you raping Hassassin's with Kennen top, I think I saw some AP on you on level 1. Would you mind saying which runes were you using?
-ad red ap quint armor yellow mr blue

You finally got some spell vamp on Kennen (after some HP, for sure). If you were vs an AP top, which HP item you like to build? Haunting Guise? I think you dont really like Rylais, so... Which HP items do you think are good on Kennen?
-haunting guise/pots. dorna shield

Btw, liked those themes from Street Fighter. Were those some kind of remix, or are them from new games?
-remixes i think

Reason to choose Locodoco because of good history with CLG and because as a former ad player, he, like you, knows the importance of having a good support to carry the AD to midgame?
-he would be the best support we can pick up. there are no good available support players in NA

How do you think Loco will contribute to team discussions and in game communication? How vocal is he compared to other people on team?
-he will do very well. i like input; he will be very vocal

HS is pretty behind in the current toplane meta, how is he going to catchup?
-hes not behind at all. he already plays olaf irelia nid cho jax malph. people just forgot he can

CLG.prime with current lineup, obviously needs work to mesh. How long CLG.primve going to be second tier team until styles mesh and teamwork matches CLG of old?
-no. NA sucks and we are still a top 3 team even if we were to play in a tournament tomorrow

Will you train jiji now, like you did train doublelift?
-yes

what do you think will happen to your already bad mechanic, now that you're in the jungle l0l.
-my mechanics own dawg ill just spam lee sin GG

why 21-0-9 better on most ad carry than 19-11-0
-i like mp5. its preference

why you love using xerath?
-he owns

Why do you go double shield and sunfire on lee?
And when should i use this build????
-im testing out the tank build that everyone copied me those bastards; you use this build when normal ad bruiser build wont win

You mentioned how Hotshot is one of the only players who knows how to play tank characters properly. What do you mean by "tank"? Draw aggro and gtfo when almost dead? It doesn't sound too much harder than "run into ad carry" despite all the aoe and cc, and try to 1v1 him, and gtfo if not reachable and switch targets?
-he doesnt take as much free dmg as 90% of the retarded top level players who think they have to take dmg to do their job. the whole point is to grab someones attention have them converge then not take dmg by flashing out (just one example) to maximize your life

Does Hotshot plays the OPs (jax irelia jayce olaf vlad rumble) better than Voyboy? Voyboy's champion pool is gigantic, but I never see him do extremely well on any champ, other than his assassins.
-hs probably cant play some of these champs as well as voys but he wont have to since he can play others

Are you going to be more of a support or a carry type jungler? Any special champs you looking to pick up for jungle, or is it just Shyv/Nunu/Mundo/Olaf/ spam?
-since hs is a high dps bruiser or a tank user i can play a lot of carry junglers

Nocturne neglected in recent tourneys other than the chinese teams using in their ALL IN on AD carry comp (leona/j4/noc all jump on AD huehue GG), is he more of a soloQ pubstomp jungler?
-no hes awesome in 5s

s3 gon shake everything up for junglez. Why make decisions before s3 even starts, before seeing how HS functions in the more exp/gold based jungle(stronger creeps, more rewards)?
-because we need time to train for s3

Wouldn't hotshot in jungle, because of the awards for doing jungle camps, waste less potential time waiting for a gank, as he got enough gold through the jungle to give some time to camp lanes? TL;DR New jungle better for HS because his balancing ganking/jungling is easier due to longer spawn times, more rewards for doing jungle camps, means less time wasted waiting to gank?(sorry for long wording)
-maybe

Voyboy being benched #1 post on all of reddit... didnt you just get a PR guy?
-obviously wasnt known to anyone that it was posted before it was too late

It's weird, since you are jungling now, how come you never play jungle? I'm sure you are headed for another first round knock out son hah
-i play jungle a lot now

You should try out 0/9/21 for your skarner jungle, more flash pulls and he doesn't really need to go down any other tree.
-0219 is good

Has Doublelift graduated from Chau skool yet?
-no

Do you still fear Doublelift will regress ?
-yes

I didn't think you thought so highly of Loco... are you relying on his ability to cooperate well/ listen to Double?
-he respects me and he will be a good addition to team discussions. also he will be better support than anyone on NA who could join us

My question is, how do you think Loco will do as support? Do you think Doublelift will stay a feared botlane without you?
-he will do his job; they will do ok. dbl will always be feared

And why did you go jungle instead of top? I know HS jungle wasn't exactly stellar but I would have loved to see you toplane. Or could there possibly some next level new meta switcheroo going on?
-could potentially switch in the future when i have jungle on lock down

you ready to shit on oddone in the jangles pz?
-word up

How long before you guys disband the team? You guys are maybe top 5 in the NA scene and I would argue that the NA region is the weakest of all the regions. Whats the point of attempting to compete when you clearly cannot?
-suck my dick


These stood out to me:

Do you think Locodoco + Doublelift bot lane will ever become as good as you and Doublelift were (considered one of the best - if not the best in the world)?
-no

Is there something wrong with Voy's communication and dedication?
-he doesnt talk

CLG.prime with current lineup, obviously needs work to mesh. How long CLG.primve going to be second tier team until styles mesh and teamwork matches CLG of old?
-no. NA sucks and we are still a top 3 team even if we were to play in a tournament tomorrow


He he says that he wants to play Shaco jungle, which I 100% don't see working with how passive both HSGG and Jiji are in lane. His explanation is that due to HSGG only really playing tanky bruisers, he'll be able to play carries in jungle. I definitely do think Loco will be more vocal than Voyboy, but as we have seen before, CLG doesn't need more people being vocal (mabye Jiji), it didn't work out when Saint did it.

I'd also feel that CLG definitely wouldn't take top 3 in an NA tournament atm. ATM they would lose to TSM, they can win against Dig, but Crs/MME.Ferus/Orbit all have beaten them convincingly before and it really sounds like Chauster is being overzealous again.

- TEAM LIQUID - doctorbeat on LoL
WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-23 11:26:58
October 23 2012 11:25 GMT
#2473
On October 23 2012 20:12 Doctorbeat wrote:
Commentary from Chauster taken from the CLGaming.net forums:

+ Show Spoiler +
You and Doublelift already have such good synergy; why don't you put locodoco into the jungle?
-no trust

chaustger can u unban me from #clgaming? thank you
-no explanation whatsoever wtf l0l

now that thats over with, is voyboy the "sub" that was being talked about all along?
-no

what champion pool are you initially looking to jungle with?
-lee sin +

Of all roles, why move you to the jungle? must be the roles i've seen you play the least. Ofc I dont know your problemswithin the team, you think this switch is going to solve your problems?
-its the only thing we could agree on working out. were not able to recruit someone new to the team into jungler position that is better than hotshot (even if slightly better it doesnt warrant a replacement). its better for met o learn jungle

When are you guys going to learn that, if anyone should be benched, it should be Hotshot and Jiji? How can you not recognize that hotshot sucked at top, so he tried support and benched elementz, realized he sucked at support, so he went back to top, then realized he sucked at top again and benched the BEST jungler in the game so he could try to jungle? Now he's benching one of the top 2 NA top laners so he can try and not suck again?
-ok lets bench jiji. how are we going to replace him and how are we going to fix the problems within our current team. if i were to list current problems it would be top mid jungle. there is 0% we can fix all 3 at the same time but there is a progression that can be feasible

Come on man, you're smarter than this.
-you should be smart enough to trust. its laughable that anyone outside of clg thinks they have more wisdom than we do about our own team

How do you play Lux lategame if you aren't fed? Her AP ratios aren't the best, so her damage suffers a lot. Do you just play as a support with some poke?
-poke

okay you don't have to say whether or not you openly agree with saint, if there's a hotshot PR concern or something. but does he have a good point? if no why not?
-saints just bitter. www.bosley.com

I think you should talk more a bout voyboy not throwing tho, when he wasn't throwing he takes ALOT of people 1v1. I can't think about Hotshot 1v1 ANYONE from the Asian top teams, hotshots old strategy was just play 3 champions and get pushed into tower, then farm. Won't work anymore with the agressiveness we have now. I like hotshot as a player, hope u know what im saying its not random flame.
-hotshot can easily lane against anyone in the world because thats his playstyle. play passive and farm it out and itll always work. there will obviously be counters to it but since i will be a versatile jungler we can work around it

Is loco gonna join because you guys need a shotcaller?
-no

When's Loco gonna come to the states?
-soontm

Do you think hotshot top will be better than voys?
-maybe

Do you think loco and double will be a good bot lane, since dbl hasn't graduated from chauster school?
-itll be ok

Loco gonna start streaming again?
-probably

team better or worse now on paper ?
-better overall

How can i improve? I need to become a stronger laner, early game player and play maker. I do feel like i have a lot of knowledge of my lane, and i do my homework. Do i just fucking karthus every game?
-learn how to lane better. from your friends pov you dont know how to control your lane as much as you think you do. its hard to learn yourself. youd have to have someone much better talk you through it

Now that you;re on jungle which of these junglers are u planning to run?

Alistar-y
Amumu-y
cho-y
mundo-y
hec-n
jarvan-m
lee sin-y
malphite-y
yi-n
naut-m
noc-y
olaf-m
singed-n
nunu-m
pant-m
maokaiy-
shen-y
rengar-m
rammus-m
skarner-y
shyv-m
shaco-y
trundle-m
udyr-m
volibear-m
ww-n
wukong-n
xin- m

I thought you said multiple times, that if you had to switch roles it'd be top or mid, and you dont really think your that good in the jungle. Thoughts on roster changes?
-its what we can do with available players and our own roster

Everything is situational, but how would you build olaf & kennen?
-olaf- shurelias randuins
kennen- zhonyas l0l

How do you feel about the roster change decision truthfully? Does it make your team stronger or do you feel something else could have been done? Do you think Voyboy is right on having hotshot as manager and voyboy in top lane would be better for the team?
-makes team stronger or we wouldnt have done it; voyboys opinion is just an opinion

r u gonna start dualqueing wit jiji to practice? i want to watch
-yes

Are u confident with your jungling (competitively)?
-not at this current moment

You and hotshot still cool with voyboy?
-somewhat

Do you genuinely think this will make CLG a better team?
-yes

Previously you have stated that jungle is your weakest role, do you feel you can improve your jungle to a top level in the coming months?
-yes

Did Doublelift go to Korea to help pick up locodoco or was he there for his own personal reasons?
-personal

Is this why Doublelift was in Korea previously?
-no

Whose idea was this?
-it was a team decision

Has hotshot been in communication with loco in the past few weeks or did hotshot fly to korea to tell him just now?
-iono

How long has this been in the making?
-voys been talked to for awhile about his play. its been since ogn

Assuming hotshot was the conspirator of this plan, who did he tell? (Excluding voyboy ,obviously)
-the team

How long have you known?
-not sure how long it applies lol

Do you think hotshot will be a better top laner than voyboy?
-yes

WIll doubledoco (locolift?) be as good as chaulift?
-no

Obligatory question:
WIll loco fap on stream again?
- i hope he does so we get more pr

why loco for support?
-he can learn it well since he was an AD player and hes also a very league smart person

Anyways, how do you think you will do in the jungle and how do you think hotshot will fare at top lane with his few picks he knows how to play. I remember that was a problem before?
-i think ill do ok in the jungle and hotshots top pool is actually bigger than ppl give him credit for

Have you practiced with Locodocco as support yet?
-no

How confident are you in the jungle? scale 1 to 10, 10 being very confident
-3 right now but soon itll raise

Will Lapaaka join clg.prime as a sub for s3?
-no

Now to my question how long before u shit on everyone jungling?
-soontm

Saint stating on reddit that the real problem in CLG is hotshot. Your thoughts?
-saint hates hotshot

If doublelift regresses will you guys swap the roles around again?
-no

Oh and how do you think double lift is gonna do without you supporting him.
-he will do ok

S3 does require an official 6th member as substitute correct?
-6th and 7th

Voyboy gonna fill this position?
-if he wants to

You said jungle is probably one of your weakest positions, but now you're playing it. You feeling confident? Annoyed at another major roster swap?
-jungle is my weakest because i dont play it as much as other roles. i am confident that i can learn the position

Also is Voy going back to college with this recent change?
-iono

you yourself said in your ama that jungler is your weakest role. why would the team decide for you to move there if you're bad at it?
-because they know i would be a good jungler

Don't you think that if hotshot became manager/sub and Voyboy stayed top the team would overall be better?
-no

And assuming this decision was actually made with the best intentions for the team going forward and not because Hotshot didn't want to be benched because of pride (which right now i am seriously doubting), can you give any reasons at all why the team thought Hotshot would be the better choice?
-consistency

Is there something wrong with Voy's communication and dedication?
-he doesnt talk

Does Hotshot's champion pool more appeal to you as a team?
-yes

Is it because, as you've said before, Hotshot is one of the few players that knows how to actually tank?
-one of the reasons

Who counters Swain? Who is he good against?
-high burst/pushing champs

stop asking leading questions about how hotshot is a bad player because Chauster will NEVER give an honest opinion on it, even though he knows hotshot has been the cause of CLG's downfall
-i actually dont think hotshot is a bad player. he did give himself more credit than he deserved back in the day but i would never agree to something that would randomly hurt the team. i truly believe that hotshot was a consistent top laner who was demonized because saint was an asshole. we could ALWAYS count on him to do his job

Gonna practice everything? Even Hecarim jungle?
-the good ones before i branch out

Imo, hs is better than voy because hes more consistent. hs win lane? win forever by split pushing. hs lose lane? win later because he farm so much. do u agree?
-hs has more game sense and is more consistent

Think hotshot will do well in 2 v 1 lanes?
-yes

Do you think Locodoco + Doublelift bot lane will ever become as good as you and Doublelift were (considered one of the best - if not the best in the world)?
-no

Are the current roles final, or is there a chance you would move back to support?
-final for now

wouldnt this new lineup possibly open up champion specifics for clg? if u need to go top hotshot can jungle, loco can go top to duel-ad carry with u support and hotshot jungle
-yes

what do you bring to the table in the jungle that hotshot doesn't?
-i have more game knowledge and map awareness and i can play all the junglers potentially since i can play lee sin

semi recently didn't you say jungle was your worst role? l0l
-yes

disregarding CLG pride, would the best situation be
chauster mid
voyboy top
locodoco jungle
bigfatjiji support
doublelift AD?
-that would be quite good. i always imagined jiji to be a good support player if he was taught/learned but everyone doesnt agree with me

Without you CLG's botlane will significantly weaker. Wouldn't it have been better for CLG to keep the dominating bot lane as opposed to now having mediocre bot and top or do you believe Double is good enough to stomp bot by himself?
- if i stay bot we cant fix any problems without gambling


are there any hard feelings between voyboy and hotshot? :/
-not from what i know'

I've got a question for you. Just so you raping Hassassin's with Kennen top, I think I saw some AP on you on level 1. Would you mind saying which runes were you using?
-ad red ap quint armor yellow mr blue

You finally got some spell vamp on Kennen (after some HP, for sure). If you were vs an AP top, which HP item you like to build? Haunting Guise? I think you dont really like Rylais, so... Which HP items do you think are good on Kennen?
-haunting guise/pots. dorna shield

Btw, liked those themes from Street Fighter. Were those some kind of remix, or are them from new games?
-remixes i think

Reason to choose Locodoco because of good history with CLG and because as a former ad player, he, like you, knows the importance of having a good support to carry the AD to midgame?
-he would be the best support we can pick up. there are no good available support players in NA

How do you think Loco will contribute to team discussions and in game communication? How vocal is he compared to other people on team?
-he will do very well. i like input; he will be very vocal

HS is pretty behind in the current toplane meta, how is he going to catchup?
-hes not behind at all. he already plays olaf irelia nid cho jax malph. people just forgot he can

CLG.prime with current lineup, obviously needs work to mesh. How long CLG.primve going to be second tier team until styles mesh and teamwork matches CLG of old?
-no. NA sucks and we are still a top 3 team even if we were to play in a tournament tomorrow

Will you train jiji now, like you did train doublelift?
-yes

what do you think will happen to your already bad mechanic, now that you're in the jungle l0l.
-my mechanics own dawg ill just spam lee sin GG

why 21-0-9 better on most ad carry than 19-11-0
-i like mp5. its preference

why you love using xerath?
-he owns

Why do you go double shield and sunfire on lee?
And when should i use this build????
-im testing out the tank build that everyone copied me those bastards; you use this build when normal ad bruiser build wont win

You mentioned how Hotshot is one of the only players who knows how to play tank characters properly. What do you mean by "tank"? Draw aggro and gtfo when almost dead? It doesn't sound too much harder than "run into ad carry" despite all the aoe and cc, and try to 1v1 him, and gtfo if not reachable and switch targets?
-he doesnt take as much free dmg as 90% of the retarded top level players who think they have to take dmg to do their job. the whole point is to grab someones attention have them converge then not take dmg by flashing out (just one example) to maximize your life

Does Hotshot plays the OPs (jax irelia jayce olaf vlad rumble) better than Voyboy? Voyboy's champion pool is gigantic, but I never see him do extremely well on any champ, other than his assassins.
-hs probably cant play some of these champs as well as voys but he wont have to since he can play others

Are you going to be more of a support or a carry type jungler? Any special champs you looking to pick up for jungle, or is it just Shyv/Nunu/Mundo/Olaf/ spam?
-since hs is a high dps bruiser or a tank user i can play a lot of carry junglers

Nocturne neglected in recent tourneys other than the chinese teams using in their ALL IN on AD carry comp (leona/j4/noc all jump on AD huehue GG), is he more of a soloQ pubstomp jungler?
-no hes awesome in 5s

s3 gon shake everything up for junglez. Why make decisions before s3 even starts, before seeing how HS functions in the more exp/gold based jungle(stronger creeps, more rewards)?
-because we need time to train for s3

Wouldn't hotshot in jungle, because of the awards for doing jungle camps, waste less potential time waiting for a gank, as he got enough gold through the jungle to give some time to camp lanes? TL;DR New jungle better for HS because his balancing ganking/jungling is easier due to longer spawn times, more rewards for doing jungle camps, means less time wasted waiting to gank?(sorry for long wording)
-maybe

Voyboy being benched #1 post on all of reddit... didnt you just get a PR guy?
-obviously wasnt known to anyone that it was posted before it was too late

It's weird, since you are jungling now, how come you never play jungle? I'm sure you are headed for another first round knock out son hah
-i play jungle a lot now

You should try out 0/9/21 for your skarner jungle, more flash pulls and he doesn't really need to go down any other tree.
-0219 is good

Has Doublelift graduated from Chau skool yet?
-no

Do you still fear Doublelift will regress ?
-yes

I didn't think you thought so highly of Loco... are you relying on his ability to cooperate well/ listen to Double?
-he respects me and he will be a good addition to team discussions. also he will be better support than anyone on NA who could join us

My question is, how do you think Loco will do as support? Do you think Doublelift will stay a feared botlane without you?
-he will do his job; they will do ok. dbl will always be feared

And why did you go jungle instead of top? I know HS jungle wasn't exactly stellar but I would have loved to see you toplane. Or could there possibly some next level new meta switcheroo going on?
-could potentially switch in the future when i have jungle on lock down

you ready to shit on oddone in the jangles pz?
-word up

How long before you guys disband the team? You guys are maybe top 5 in the NA scene and I would argue that the NA region is the weakest of all the regions. Whats the point of attempting to compete when you clearly cannot?
-suck my dick


These stood out to me:

Do you think Locodoco + Doublelift bot lane will ever become as good as you and Doublelift were (considered one of the best - if not the best in the world)?
-no

Is there something wrong with Voy's communication and dedication?
-he doesnt talk

CLG.prime with current lineup, obviously needs work to mesh. How long CLG.primve going to be second tier team until styles mesh and teamwork matches CLG of old?
-no. NA sucks and we are still a top 3 team even if we were to play in a tournament tomorrow


He he says that he wants to play Shaco jungle, which I 100% don't see working with how passive both HSGG and Jiji are in lane. His explanation is that due to HSGG only really playing tanky bruisers, he'll be able to play carries in jungle. I definitely do think Loco will be more vocal than Voyboy, but as we have seen before, CLG doesn't need more people being vocal (mabye Jiji), it didn't work out when Saint did it.

I'd also feel that CLG definitely wouldn't take top 3 in an NA tournament atm. ATM they would lose to TSM, they can win against Dig, but Crs/MME.Ferus/Orbit all have beaten them convincingly before and it really sounds like Chauster is being overzealous again.


Haha this one was funny

How long before you guys disband the team? You guys are maybe top 5 in the NA scene and I would argue that the NA region is the weakest of all the regions. Whats the point of attempting to compete when you clearly cannot?
-suck my dick

Yeah CLG.na being delusional again.
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-23 11:32:17
October 23 2012 11:30 GMT
#2474
Oh god oh god.
At times like this, I really question Chauster's sanity.
€: Also, how he manages to keep such a masive ego...
A backwards poet writes inverse.
justiceknight
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Singapore5741 Posts
October 23 2012 11:35 GMT
#2475
On October 23 2012 19:52 Chexx wrote:
Offline qualifier for the Winter Season of OGN starts tomorrow.

10/24(Wed) 19:30
Najin Shield vs Psw Ares

10/25(Thu) 16:00
CJ ENTUS vs NaB
20:00
MVP White vs BBT

10/26(Fri)19:30
KT B vs call
10/27(Sat) 12:00
KT A vs LEO Rook

10/28(Sun) 12:00
GSG(RoMg) vs Guts
16:00
MVP Blue vs Team Dry

Azubu will sponsor again!. Season will start at 9th November at the G-Star in Busan.



any streams?
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
October 23 2012 11:47 GMT
#2476
I thought you said multiple times, that if you had to switch roles it'd be top or mid, and you dont really think your that good in the jungle. Thoughts on roster changes?
-its what we can do with available players and our own roster

Now this sounds like real confidence in their new lineup. :D
Off-season = best season
Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-23 11:51:54
October 23 2012 11:51 GMT
#2477
On October 23 2012 20:35 justiceknight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2012 19:52 Chexx wrote:
Offline qualifier for the Winter Season of OGN starts tomorrow.

10/24(Wed) 19:30
Najin Shield vs Psw Ares

10/25(Thu) 16:00
CJ ENTUS vs NaB
20:00
MVP White vs BBT

10/26(Fri)19:30
KT B vs call
10/27(Sat) 12:00
KT A vs LEO Rook

10/28(Sun) 12:00
GSG(RoMg) vs Guts
16:00
MVP Blue vs Team Dry

Azubu will sponsor again!. Season will start at 9th November at the G-Star in Busan.



any streams?


The standard ones. OGNLoL.com and ongamenet.com if you are living in Korea.
I will make a new Thread for the Season as soon as the groups are ready.
WriterFollow me @TL_Chexx
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
October 23 2012 11:56 GMT
#2478
Does Hotshot plays the OPs (jax irelia jayce olaf vlad rumble) better than Voyboy? Voyboy's champion pool is gigantic, but I never see him do extremely well on any champ, other than his assassins.
-hs probably cant play some of these champs as well as voys but he wont have to since he can play others

This is what made me realize CLG is stupid. As I counted down that list of top laners, everyone was "Voy's better, Voy's better, Voy's better." The only top lane champions that Hotshot plays that he's better at than Voy are probably cho and nidalee and that was literally their problem before.
Remember Violet.
Cuddle
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden1345 Posts
October 23 2012 12:10 GMT
#2479
I feel sorry for the CLG fans, must be real tough staying excited for the team during all this. I hate it when my teams go through changes.
little fancy
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany2504 Posts
October 23 2012 12:11 GMT
#2480
On October 23 2012 19:46 WhiteDog wrote:
The thing is, stability is a great asset for a team. Changing roster every time they make mistakes is not going to help them improve. For me it's rather a stupid way of praying that things will fix themselves, while they could have just tried harder, the TSM way.


The situation you describe fits SK better imo. They change the roster very often because they can't even get together on personal level. This is CLG's second big change and addresses the problem with Voyboy that showed up over time, it's not like they bench and hire members as they please just because they haven't had any recent success.

Shortly before Dig released Voyboy, he was arguably the MVP of the tournament (where he won that "I carry big" shirt). When he then joined CLG, he never came even close to the expectations people had. Neither fans nor teammates were ever really satisfied with his performance when playing with CLG.

From the top off my head, I can't really remember a single game where Voyboy carried hard like CLG's bot lane did from time to time nor a situation where he exceptionally shined while the rest of the team played like shit. If Voyboy did well, almost every other lane / jungle did well, too, which resulted in a win because of the whole team, not his individual play.

More often than not, one could observe Voyboy scoring FB thanks to HSGG camping top and still losing lane by 40 CS and 1-2 kills once HS stopped camping. Also, there were several retarded chases and overaggressive 900 ELO plays that made it unnecessarily hard for his team:

One of these games was this year's summer OGN when CLG was 0-1 in group stage and needed to win the next two games to advance. The first of those (vs LG-IM irrc? don't nail me on that) Voyboy almost caused a triple heart attack to the three korean commentators when he flashed through a wall into 5 enemies and everyone was like "wtf?!". Well, in the end CLG won that game, but that was more because of Chaulift carrying very hard and HSGG having an above-average day.


This is no hate post and I like Voyboy for his person and relaxed attitude, but from a competitive point of view he continously underperformed. And while he is definitely not the only problematic position in CLG.na, he now got the bench hammer because he is the most recent member and getting rid of him is probably SO much easier and less drama than trying to replace HS / jiji who are the next weak links in the team imo.
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