EPT[Patch 1.0.0.149: TF Update] General Discussion - Page 117
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
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Scip
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Celial
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Dark_Chill
Canada3353 Posts
On October 23 2012 12:06 Sufficiency wrote: Can't tell if Veigar is actually pretty good or my lane opponents are absolutely terrible. I somewhat understood that Veigar was okay, but below average. His laning phase is supbar compared to a lot of other mids, and he can't exactly push incredibly well. His burst is great, but single target meaning that he loses some effectiveness later on. His stun is still great, which I believe mostly makes him a lot better than he would be otherwise. | ||
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ChaoSbringer
Australia1382 Posts
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Celial
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On October 23 2012 12:16 Dark_Chill wrote: I somewhat understood that Veigar was okay, but below average. His laning phase is supbar compared to a lot of other mids, and he can't exactly push incredibly well. His burst is great, but single target meaning that he loses some effectiveness later on. His stun is still great, which I believe mostly makes him a lot better than he would be otherwise. I have been trying to max W first and avoid trading at all costs. Dat waveclear with W OP. | ||
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Celial
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
On October 23 2012 12:19 Celial wrote: lol just noticed that #1 skarner in that game too. as maokai. The idea that Skarnold is #1 Skarner is quite outdated and not one that I think has much basis in truth. | ||
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Abenson
Canada4122 Posts
Many people think it's a counter for teemo (1350's logic), but I think the matchup is just super lopsided for darius unless the teemo plays extremely well. What are you guys' thoughts on the matchup? | ||
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
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petered
United States1817 Posts
On October 23 2012 12:33 arb wrote: been saying for a while that swain is a pretty fucking obnoxiously strong mid Very much agree. Honestly I don't like Froggen's build that much (I'm assuming that we are both watching his stream atm) but idk. I just don't see the point of the rylais follow up. Swain scales so much better off of resists than health that athene's or zhonya's would have been a much better follow up to RoA imo. Just my thoughts before everyone jumps on me for criticizing a pro, lol. Still, I feel he is really strong. Such a lane bully and does great sustained damage in midgame teamfights. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Also Swain's strong but I still think he can snowball downward too pretty hard if he gets dunked early on. Eve's range's pretty short and unless she has ignite she won't be able to instagib him before a while, so it's a good match-up for him rather than a general thing I'd say (if you can hit a W, they're gonna hurt, but apart from that most mids don't care too much about your 600 range Q since they'll insta-break the tether anyway). | ||
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Jumbled
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On October 23 2012 12:20 Sufficiency wrote: I have been trying to max W first and avoid trading at all costs. Dat waveclear with W OP. Wave-clearing with W should be a last resort against a pushing opponent, since your main laning goal is to farm your Q as much as possible. | ||
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Dusty
United States3359 Posts
edit: confirmed by Wing's stream. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
On October 23 2012 12:37 petered wrote: Very much agree. Honestly I don't like Froggen's build that much (I'm assuming that we are both watching his stream atm) but idk. I just don't see the point of the rylais follow up. Swain scales so much better off of resists than health that athene's or zhonya's would have been a much better follow up to RoA imo. Just my thoughts before everyone jumps on me for criticizing a pro, lol. Still, I feel he is really strong. Such a lane bully and does great sustained damage in midgame teamfights. I dont like rylais on him at all, i like roa -> hat then athenes most of the time. abyssal is okay too though i guess. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On October 23 2012 12:39 Jumbled wrote: Wave-clearing with W should be a last resort against a pushing opponent, since your main laning goal is to farm your Q as much as possible. But Q's mana cost increases with rank. If I want to get DFG I can't get that much mana to constantly farm Q. This is just an experiment, ofc. But this is my rational behind maxing W first. EDIT: 3 games in a row with this weird build and won... then I checked lolking and realized two of three games I was laning against unranked I will try it a couple more games but I feel it's only good if my lane opponent is terrible. Also if I miss my stun I either die or get zoned for the next 15 seconds  too bad the players I was playing against were too terrible to know how to exploit that. | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On October 23 2012 12:33 Abenson wrote: Darius vs. Teemo is such a fun matchup for darius. Many people think it's a counter for teemo (1350's logic), but I think the matchup is just super lopsided for darius unless the teemo plays extremely well. What are you guys' thoughts on the matchup? I think it's just what you said. It's an annoying matchup for darius if he misses hooks and teemo can harass, and if teemo gets hooked, then darius by virtue of being melee can win trades or help a gank more. | ||
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