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On October 23 2012 07:52 Praetorial wrote: Have you ever had deja, deja, deja, deja, deja vu? The headphone goes on the bottom...
Good lord these Twitch Samsung commercials are so annoying and badly written.
Oh, don't think they are solely the province of Twitch. Watching football yesterday was brutal.
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On October 23 2012 08:07 SagaZ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 07:49 misirlou wrote:anyone saw a karthus jungle trolling and flaming frogen really hard on stream? On October 23 2012 07:05 Alaric wrote: The hardest part of playing Talon isn't in the actual playing, but in getting mid without being first pick or finding somebody else who has him to swap in drafts, or clicking fast enough in blinds. when i was sub 1.1k (lol) I would FP him anw and still the other mid picked some ap to get pwned. lost very few games (1 every 10) to counters Froggen gets ridiculously butthurt when junglers take bluebuff or tax his lane, so it's not really hard to troll him.
which mid doesnt?
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On October 23 2012 08:07 SagaZ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 07:49 misirlou wrote:anyone saw a karthus jungle trolling and flaming frogen really hard on stream? On October 23 2012 07:05 Alaric wrote: The hardest part of playing Talon isn't in the actual playing, but in getting mid without being first pick or finding somebody else who has him to swap in drafts, or clicking fast enough in blinds. when i was sub 1.1k (lol) I would FP him anw and still the other mid picked some ap to get pwned. lost very few games (1 every 10) to counters Froggen gets ridiculously butthurt when junglers take bluebuff or tax his lane, so it's not really hard to troll him.
Generally he gets annoyed if people take his blue buff, even by accident but the karthus picked karthus jungle AFTER he picked swain mid and saved smite for EVERY blue buff just so that froggen never got it unless he killed someone with blue. The karthus also went to his lane to turn on defile and Q all the creeps and leave. He was intentionally trying to annoy froggen
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On October 23 2012 07:44 kongoline wrote: do u guys think after dfg nerf diana still will be good or im better buying something like karthus,orianna,zyra for mid?
Without seeing the itemization and jungle changes, it's really hard to call.
On October 23 2012 08:14 AsnSensation wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 08:07 SagaZ wrote:On October 23 2012 07:49 misirlou wrote:anyone saw a karthus jungle trolling and flaming frogen really hard on stream? On October 23 2012 07:05 Alaric wrote: The hardest part of playing Talon isn't in the actual playing, but in getting mid without being first pick or finding somebody else who has him to swap in drafts, or clicking fast enough in blinds. when i was sub 1.1k (lol) I would FP him anw and still the other mid picked some ap to get pwned. lost very few games (1 every 10) to counters Froggen gets ridiculously butthurt when junglers take bluebuff or tax his lane, so it's not really hard to troll him. which mid doesnt?
This. Playing without blue buff against a lane opponent that does is a nightmare.
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Nah, when they have blue, they always get cocky and think they're hot shit. Makes it easier to kill them.
#1 tactics
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On October 23 2012 08:07 SagaZ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 07:49 misirlou wrote:anyone saw a karthus jungle trolling and flaming frogen really hard on stream? On October 23 2012 07:05 Alaric wrote: The hardest part of playing Talon isn't in the actual playing, but in getting mid without being first pick or finding somebody else who has him to swap in drafts, or clicking fast enough in blinds. when i was sub 1.1k (lol) I would FP him anw and still the other mid picked some ap to get pwned. lost very few games (1 every 10) to counters Froggen gets ridiculously butthurt when junglers take bluebuff or tax his lane, so it's not really hard to troll him.
Yeah actually I think its definitely more than the average mid. I was jungling Skarner in a ranked game where Froggen was Lee Sin mid - we were massively ahead, every lane winning, all dragons, everyone happy and getting along - but as soon as my bladed armor accidentally takes the bluff buff from him its like a switch goes off and he just completely flips out. Keep in mind that at no point before or after this 1 buff did our team ever even come close to losing (he killed their mid for their blue buff minutes later) and it just seems like a bit of an overreaction.
Frustrated me a bit at the time but I can understand the basic idea of where he's coming from. It actually made me rethink the importance of blue buff when I play mid - I make an extra effort to get it / steal it now.
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On October 23 2012 08:35 Dandel Ion wrote: Nah, when they have blue, they always get cocky and think they're hot shit. Makes it easier to kill them.
#1 tactics
i laned as ziggs without a single blue against a malz who got every blue, because rengar 'needed it more'
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edit: at above, Lee Sin doesn't really need the cdr though, although I guess Froggen loves his kick nukes with 100000 arpen
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not having blue really isn't that bad though if you can conserve your mana well enough in general. I mean at the highest levels it probably makes a difference but not where i'm at lol. whenever the jungler takes blue i'm just usually like whatever and just concentrate on not getting poked.
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Apparently Gragas top is good vs. Khazix.
Disclaimer: Gragas needs to be played by Froggen. 2-0 in 6 minutes.
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On October 23 2012 08:54 wussleeQ wrote: not having blue really isn't that bad though if you can conserve your mana well enough in general. I mean at the highest levels it probably makes a difference but not where i'm at lol. whenever the jungler takes blue i'm just usually like whatever and just concentrate on not getting poked. Depends on champion. Anivia without the 2nd blue is a neutered Anivia. Morgana can just continue farming no problem (limit yourself to one soil per wave). Pretty sure Cassioepia needs her blue too.
Just play Vladimir if you do not want to give a fuck about blue buff, I guess.
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On October 23 2012 08:54 wussleeQ wrote: not having blue really isn't that bad though if you can conserve your mana well enough in general. I mean at the highest levels it probably makes a difference but not where i'm at lol. whenever the jungler takes blue i'm just usually like whatever and just concentrate on not getting poked. Well blue buff on mids is a lot more about wave control. If the enemy mid has blue and you don't then if they're smart they are going to push your lane like crazy forcing you to miss CS and wraiths and miss opportunities to gank/countergank. It can be huge, but not on Lee Sin lol. That's just Froggen's ego getting to him.
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Well blue buff does give energy regen + CDR. LS with blue buff is pretty beast, especially when it's in the hands of Froggen l0l.
But yeah, nowadays it's just a natural thing to get really butthurt if you don't get blue. Sometimes it really can be detrimental, but other times it's just complaining for the sake of complaining.
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Tank Gragas really looks strong, with his AD steroid he can go full tank and still do ze damages. Or rather, Froggen can.
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Tank Gragas is miles better in lategame. AP is better early/mid.
tho you get flamed if you do tank in soloQ.
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I find that if you're doing really well in mid, letting the jungler have blue can be pretty damn helpful, since the cdr is usually great for them. Of course, it also depends heavily on the champion you're using. I find that whenever I play Ahri, blue buff is helpful but it's something I can live without even if the enemy has blue buff.
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On October 23 2012 09:04 HazMat wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 08:54 wussleeQ wrote: not having blue really isn't that bad though if you can conserve your mana well enough in general. I mean at the highest levels it probably makes a difference but not where i'm at lol. whenever the jungler takes blue i'm just usually like whatever and just concentrate on not getting poked. Well blue buff on mids is a lot more about wave control. If the enemy mid has blue and you don't then if they're smart they are going to push your lane like crazy forcing you to miss CS and wraiths and miss opportunities to gank/countergank. It can be huge, but not on Lee Sin lol. That's just Froggen's ego getting to him.
Shake #1 froggen hater now that he's popularized Lee Sin mid.
Btw I'm GP vs Lee sin mid now. FML I h8 Froggen too.
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On October 23 2012 10:07 Chrispy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 09:04 HazMat wrote:On October 23 2012 08:54 wussleeQ wrote: not having blue really isn't that bad though if you can conserve your mana well enough in general. I mean at the highest levels it probably makes a difference but not where i'm at lol. whenever the jungler takes blue i'm just usually like whatever and just concentrate on not getting poked. Well blue buff on mids is a lot more about wave control. If the enemy mid has blue and you don't then if they're smart they are going to push your lane like crazy forcing you to miss CS and wraiths and miss opportunities to gank/countergank. It can be huge, but not on Lee Sin lol. That's just Froggen's ego getting to him. Shake #1 froggen hater now that he's popularized Lee Sin mid. Btw I'm GP vs Lee sin mid now. FML I h8 Froggen too. Nah I like him but I do believe Skarner, Hecarim, and Amumu should have priority over the 2nd blue but Froggen thinks he deserves it on heroes like Lee.
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Is it odd to anyone else that all of the champions that change into animals are female in their human form? (nidalee, shyvana, elise)
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On October 23 2012 08:22 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 07:44 kongoline wrote: do u guys think after dfg nerf diana still will be good or im better buying something like karthus,orianna,zyra for mid? Without seeing the itemization and jungle changes, it's really hard to call. I'm kinda hoping its the starting to steering her to Tanky Aura AP.
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Yo there was this one amazing LiquidParty game a while ago where I was tank gragas top and someone (can't remember who) was playing Veigar. Everyone except brave Veigar did awful in lane phase and we were behind ~10 kills, but we managed to stay in it until we got to the point where everyone was fat enough to live the 2 seconds it took Veig to blow up the entire enemy team. It was intenserad.
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